NYU vs. Mount Sinai

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it's a trade off. nyu has more of a reputation and better residency placement and better clinical exposure, but mt. sinai has a better hospital, much much much nicer facilities, much nicer location, amazing dorms, great food, a basket of rolos by the register, much much much happier students, beautiful everything, but crappier residency placement.

total trade off. interesting though, at sinai, they didn't talk **** about any other schools, at nyu all they did was curse off all the other city schools.
 
Why do you think NYU tends to have a better residency placement??
 
well they have a better reputation first of all. they used to be a much better medical school back in the day. their hands-on clinical exposure from bellevue is really good.
and also, the problem with sinai is that it's just really new. it's only like 30-40 years old. they are wet behind the ears and it shows_ their curriculum changes every year. this hurts their reputation a little.

i think one of the best things sinai has going for it is sinai itself. supposedly, while residency placement isn't that great, a giant proportion of their students match AT sinai itself. this is great for medicine, but a girl there told me that they never take their own for surgery. argh. sigh. whatever. it's all just hearsay, but take a look at their match lists and you will see that nyu's is slightly better overall.
 
Speaking of "hands-on" clinial exposure --- how do you think Mayo and NYU compare. I am actually debating this right now. While both Mayo and NYU (and Sinai) are TOTALLY different -- I would be curious as to what anyone thought.
 
Although Sinai SOM is fairly new compared to other schools its residency matching is still really good, all hospitals are very well known.
 
well i think mayo would have the edge in terms of reputation and residency placement, but nyu is in nyc. now, as a student currently living in NYC, i must say that the experience is quite unparalleled, but only if you like nyc life (i have friends that hate nyc and are absolutely miserable here). the quality of lifestyles between mayo and nyu are going to be COMPLETELY different. also, keep in mind that nyu also has an undergrad campus to take advantage of, while sinai and mayo dont.
 
Hey JJ4 I agree with you, Sinai is definitely the place to go. In fact Sinai is my top choice hopefully I'll hear good news from them soon. Did yo interview at Sinai?? If do when was it??
 
Hi Vblam -- I'm MSTP and already interviewed and have been accepted. However, I'm sorta siding with Mayo right now. I'm not sure yet though...what other schools are you considering?
 
how do you "take advantage" of an undergrad campus, choker? do you mean to take some courses there "just for fun" or do you mean because of all the innocent, pure freshman girls that come in every year? 😀
 
Hi all...
I did not go to my NYU interview, so I cannot really say much about the school. All I CAN say is that I know people at both NYU and Sinai and the Sinai students seem MUCH happier. As for residency placement, Sinai students, in my opinion, do very well. I have not seen the match list in a while, but many match in the most competitive programs in the country. I think the reality is that if you bust your a*$ at either place, you will not have a problem when match day comes.
~Zan
 
JJ4, I'm a MD applicant waiting for Sinai's reply. I interviewed about a week ago. I loved the school. I think the education and atmosphere that Sinai offers is excellent. However there is one thing bothering me about Sinai. I have been reading about their debt and was wondering if that would affect their students. But alot of schools have debts even NYU so I guess its OK. Others schools I'm considering are: Temple and Tufts. To give you my opinion, I think Mayo would be a stronger place to conduct research since you are MSTP but the city is much less exciting while Sinai also a very research intensive school is located in New York city. Good luck on your decision. Anywhere you end up you will get a great education.
 
Hi Vblam. You only interviewed a week ago?? Oh you have plenty of time my friend. Give it a couple of weeks and then call the admissions office. They'll tell you exactly where you stand. Good Luck!

Choker:

How exactly does having an undergrad campus really affect one's medical school/graduate training?? Unless you like having a lot of undergrads around or wanna pick up an undergrad chic on a friday night, 😀
I guess intercollegiate sports can spur things up a bit -- but at NYU their undergrad sports are not exactly what one thinks of when we think NCAA .
 
i think the difference that the undergraduate campus makes is not trivial. even though nyu sports are like watching your little brother play basketball in the elementary school gym, there are a lot of other things to the undergrad community than sports. it means you'd be able to take other random classes if you got bored with all that medical stuff, meet cute law students (just kidding) or maybe participate in other cultural activities. as a native new yorker who has had much exposure to both areas, murray hill (nyu) is way more interesting for young people than carnegie hill.(sinai)

the reputation of the schools might not make a difference for match day, but i think the students at nyu have more pride because the school does have a national reputation. also, i think that mssm is not doing very well financially, which could be a problem down the road.

just my thinking on the issue....
 
ah yes, but this is from the admissions office that told one of us two weeks ago that absolutely NO acceptances had been mailed out. i think she said this on the eve of the admit student's weekend!
so take everything nyu says with a grain of salt.
 
However, alice, I must say -- the research at Sinai clearly beats that of NYU at least in the Neurosciences. Also, Sinai is building a new translational research building. At the same time, I think Skirball at NYU isn't that bad. But if I were to choose I think Sinai has the edge in research.
 
I just wanted to bump this post up to get current (not 7 years old) opinions on Mount Sinai vs. NYU. Thanks!
 
You know there was a NYU vs Mount Sinai thread last year. It doesn't matter anyway since this was eventually going to come up. :sigh:

http://more.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=389263

To answer your question. I like Sinai better because of its environment. Nowadays both schools have good reputations and residency placements. However, while Sinai's reputation has been improving, NYU's rank has been slipping .
 
I feel that sinai is a real up and coming school and might even be able to jump into top 15- top 10 with in a few years.

I like the research that is being conducted there and how fast it's being applied to clinical stuff.

I LOVE NEW YORK! just love the location of the school and its dorm is impeccable.
 
choker said:
it's a trade off. nyu has more of a reputation and better residency placement and better clinical exposure, but mt. sinai has a better hospital, much much much nicer facilities, much nicer location, amazing dorms, great food, a basket of rolos by the register, much much much happier students, beautiful everything, but crappier residency placement.

total trade off. interesting though, at sinai, they didn't talk **** about any other schools, at nyu all they did was curse off all the other city schools.
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Much nicer location for what? I'd rather be more downtown than on the UES but I guess it's personal opinion...
 
i have nothing of substance to add to the discussion... but i did find this on wikipedia:

MSSM's official name is the Mount Sinai School of Medicine of New York University, due to its academic affiliation with New York University (NYU).
In 1998, NYU's hospital facilities were spun off as a separate, non-profit organization; they subsequently were joined with Mount Sinai Hospital to form Mount Sinai-NYU Health, an umbrella organization joining the two hospitals – a merger that has since been dissolved.[10] MSSM's academic affiliation with NYU survived the dissolution. However, MSSM is independent of NYU; that is, MSSM has its own facilities, board of trustees, administration, student body, faculty, admissions offices, tuition fees, and endowment. MSSM also raises its own funds.

not really relevant but food for thought.
 
I've worked in clinical research in Manhattan for the past 6 years...at the med schools of Columbia, MSSM, and Einstein.

I have not perceived MSSM to be less respected than NYU or Columbia in general. There are certain FIELDS in which one institution is better--I would go to Columbia Presbyterian for heart surgery, but I would go to MSSM for any Gastrointestinal or Immunological issues, hands down.

Columbia Presb, Roosevelt, much of NYU, and MSSM are all nice facilities. St. Luke's (of Columbia), however is a dump...and yet if you want one of the nation's top out-patient obesity research centers, that is the roach infested place they expect you to tolerate.

Aside for the location of Einstein, if I were picking between CU, MSSM, and NYU, I would pick by personality/fit/comfort/curriculum.
 
redlight said:
i have nothing of substance to add to the discussion... but i did find this on wikipedia:

MSSM's official name is the Mount Sinai School of Medicine of New York University, due to its academic affiliation with New York University (NYU).
In 1998, NYU's hospital facilities were spun off as a separate, non-profit organization; they subsequently were joined with Mount Sinai Hospital to form Mount Sinai-NYU Health, an umbrella organization joining the two hospitals – a merger that has since been dissolved.[10] MSSM's academic affiliation with NYU survived the dissolution. However, MSSM is independent of NYU; that is, MSSM has its own facilities, board of trustees, administration, student body, faculty, admissions offices, tuition fees, and endowment. MSSM also raises its own funds.

not really relevant but food for thought.
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That merger is not going well. They are preparing to split (how soon that will happen I have no idea)--at least that's what the Sinai faculty seemed to imply.
 
oh wait MSSM and NYU are affiliated? weird
 
not even close. even before looking at other factors, the location and housing alone make the choice easy.

mt sinai.
 
pietachok said:
I've worked in clinical research in Manhattan for the past 6 years...at the med schools of Columbia, MSSM, and Einstein.

I have not perceived MSSM to be less respected than NYU or Columbia in general. There are certain FIELDS in which one institution is better--I would go to Columbia Presbyterian for heart surgery, but I would go to MSSM for any Gastrointestinal or Immunological issues, hands down.

Columbia Presb, Roosevelt, much of NYU, and MSSM are all nice facilities. St. Luke's (of Columbia), however is a dump...and yet if you want one of the nation's top out-patient obesity research centers, that is the roach infested place they expect you to tolerate.

Aside for the location of Einstein, if I were picking between CU, MSSM, and NYU, I would pick by personality/fit/comfort/curriculum.
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agreed.

st. luke's isnt that terrible.. I used to volunteer there and actually have been a patient there too for odd reasons here and there (eh hem.. walking into a door lol)
slowbutsteady said:
not even close. even before looking at other factors, the location and housing alone make the choice easy.

mt sinai.
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now now. i think the location of NYU iis wayy better and that it why its my top choice over sinai. Housing at sinai definitely beats NYU housing, but i am planning on getting an apt so it doesnt matter to me. if anything, getting an apt by sinai is harder and more expensive. Also, sinai is on the border of UES and Spanish Harlem whereas NYU is in Gramercy downtown next to everything lol.
 
ar2388 said:
agreed.

st. luke's isnt that terrible.. I used to volunteer there and actually have been a patient there too for odd reasons here and there (eh hem.. walking into a door lol)


now now. i think the location of NYU iis wayy better and that it why its my top choice over sinai. Housing at sinai definitely beats NYU housing, but i am planning on getting an apt so it doesnt matter to me. if anything, getting an apt by sinai is harder and more expensive. Also, sinai is on the border of UES and Spanish Harlem whereas NYU is in Gramercy downtown next to everything lol.
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agreed. having grown up in nyc i can easily say downtown is the place to be for early to mid 20s. UES is a sweet location with central park and alot of museums but cant compare to murry hill and proximity to the village for partying and young culture.
 
Murray Hill is definitely cooler than UES/East Harlem, but it's not as if going to Sinai precludes one from hanging out anywhere in the city! It's NYC guys, best subway/mass transit system in the world. Relative location within Manhattan seems somewhat irrelevant.
 
Well, from personal experience, I'd pick Sinai, just based on my observations of the two schools. I have friends who go to both, and the Sinai ones are FAR happier and FAR more relaxed than the NYU ones. Also, the NYU ones were as close to gunnerish as anyone in my college ever got, which certainly says something. I think the experience there is much more high-pressure and less friendly. Sure, n=5, hardly all that statistically significant, but it's something to keep in mind. I think you can get fantastic training at either, but I'd pick Sinai in a heartbeat. It's purely pass/fail and the way they schedule your exams is the greatest thing I've ever heard. In general, it's just a very nice, comfortable place. NYU strikes me as being way more competitive and intense (based on what I've noticed from my friends).
 
ButImLETired said:
Well, from personal experience, I'd pick Sinai, just based on my observations of the two schools. I have friends who go to both, and the Sinai ones are FAR happier and FAR more relaxed than the NYU ones. Also, the NYU ones were as close to gunnerish as anyone in my college ever got, which certainly says something. I think the experience there is much more high-pressure and less friendly. Sure, n=5, hardly all that statistically significant, but it's something to keep in mind. I think you can get fantastic training at either, but I'd pick Sinai in a heartbeat. It's purely pass/fail and the way they schedule your exams is the greatest thing I've ever heard. In general, it's just a very nice, comfortable place. NYU strikes me as being way more competitive and intense (based on what I've noticed from my friends).
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Hey Let, how does Sinai schedule their exams again? Thanks!
 
franniemeow07 said:
Hey Let, how does Sinai schedule their exams again? Thanks!
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Hey!

So usually exams are scheduled for weekends. That means that they tend to put exams online on a friday (I believe- any Sinai students correct me if I'm wrong) and take them off on a sunday, giving you a) the freedom to take them at home, and b) the freedom to decide whether to get the test over with that friday and go out afterwards, or to take it on sunday and study the whole weekend. They're really serious about their honor system, apparently.

Another thing to note about Sinai is the transplant pager program that Columbia also has. Basically, as a first year, you can ask for one of the pagers for a transplant team, and if they page you (which, as the students told me, happens basically every night) you get to fly by chopper to get the organ, participate in the harvesting, and then assist the surgeon in the transplant. Coolest thing I've ever heard.
 
Hi, I'm currently at student at Mount Sinai and can vouch for the fact that most (but not all, it depends on the course director) exams are take-home and open throughout the weekend. This allows for a lot of flexibility and it makes it easier for students to travel to conferences, weddings, etc. The exams rely on the honor system and students still study really really hard because we are also preparing for the boards. While I don't have a preference between in-class and take-home exams myself, many students here agree that it takes a lot of the stress out of studying because we have more time to study. Many schools are actually beginning to switch to take-home exams because it has been working so well and students are much happier.
 
Does NYU also has take homeexams?
What are the class schedules like, do you get off after 12?
 
ar2388 said:
agreed.

st. luke's isnt that terrible.. I used to volunteer there and actually have been a patient there too for odd reasons here and there (eh hem.. walking into a door lol)


now now. i think the location of NYU iis wayy better and that it why its my top choice over sinai. Housing at sinai definitely beats NYU housing, but i am planning on getting an apt so it doesnt matter to me. if anything, getting an apt by sinai is harder and more expensive. Also, sinai is on the border of UES and Spanish Harlem whereas NYU is in Gramercy downtown next to everything lol.
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Food for thought.. you'll be in your room/library/carrels studying and trying to catch up most of the time you won't even have time to go out, so whether you're in the middle of nowhere or in the heart of the city really doesn't matter. 😉

In all seriousness, Mt Sinai offers better financial borrowing options than NYU. I'd choose Mt. Sinai, but hey, that's just me.
 
There is some serious misinformation and unsupported opinion on this thread.

This thread should be deleted.
 
Why would anyone ever bump a SEVEN year old thread? WHY!?
 
dynezxice said:
Food for thought.. you'll be in your room/library/carrels studying and trying to catch up most of the time you won't even have time to go out, so whether you're in the middle of nowhere or in the heart of the city really doesn't matter. 😉

In all seriousness, Mt Sinai offers better financial borrowing options than NYU. I'd choose Mt. Sinai, but hey, that's just me.
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she's already at NYU. your advice is kinda irrelevant... checking date stamps FTW 😉

also, i disagree with the "you'll be studying all the time so nothing matters" mentality. first of all, that's not the impression i got at any medical school that i visited, especially not sinai or NYU. second of all, NYC is one of the few places where even if you're cooped up a lot of the time, you still know you're there. we're not comparing two similar small midwestern towns (for example) where you'd have basically the same lifestyle no matter which you chose to live/go to school in. neighborhood matters in NYC. i've been both a student and a non-student in this city over the last 6 years, and trust me... neighborhood matters.

personally, i prefer being uptown (and that's a big part of why i chose sinai), but to each his/her own.

Longshanks said:
Why would anyone ever bump a SEVEN year old thread? WHY!?
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but aren't you making it worse by posting/bumping it? 😛
 
johncalvin said:
To be fair, if the OP had opened a new thread with the same title, there'd be SDN hounds screaming "USE THE SEARCH TOOL!!111!!!"
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agreed. i would so much rather see a bumped thread... if only because it's kind of amusing to see how things have/haven't changed in the 8 years since the thread was created.
 
johncalvin said:
To be fair, if the OP had opened a new thread with the same title, there'd be SDN hounds screaming "USE THE SEARCH TOOL!!111!!!"
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Yes, which is why one should use the search tool first for a common question, and if they don't find their answer then post. Its a very easy system, and most people are very accommodating. The "use the search lulz" madness has greatly declined here. The bumper didn't provide any substance to their post, let a lone a complete sentence, when asking their question. It may even be a troll.

To be fair, my post was a joke. Don't take things so serious.
 
Longshanks said:
Why would anyone ever bump a SEVEN year old thread? WHY!?
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And with that in mind, this thread is being closed. There are more recent threads regarding NYU, Mt. Sinai, and sometimes additonal schools, in the School Specific Discussions board.
 
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