NYU vs UoP

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Hello All!

I would like some advice and possibly different perspectives on the situation. I am from the west coast, but have no preference of location and would not mind practicing in CA or NY. Taking out the obvious factors of money and graduating early, which school do you think is the better option and why. Personally, I am in no rush to finish school and would like to enjoy my dental school experience as much as possible. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks in advance!

 

[Hyunin1210]

I am matriculating next year to NYU, but I would say go to UoP. I believe that Dental school will be the most challenging time of our lives. The sooner it is over with, the better imo. As many people have stated before, we don't have that much time outside of class (depending on how well you want to do in dental school of course). Go with the 3 year program so you can enjoy being an actual dentist sooner. Good luck!

 

[Incis0r]

Let's see...

A 4-year program with HUGE class sizes in a freezing, early-darkness-gloomy-in-the-winter New York City

vs.

An innovative, 3-year program (only one of its kind in the country), with Dr. Dugoni's Legacy on humanism/treating students with respect, in SUNNY and WARM SAN FRANCISCO

 

[Alectrify]

San Francisco is cold af.

Source: born and raised


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[pgex2t]

San Francisco is cold af.

Source: born and raised


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Agreed. Sometimes it's warm in the sun, but once you step into the shadow it's like polar bear weather.

 

[schmoob]

Are you applying this cycle? If so, apply to both because the choice may not be up to you.
If you do happened to be faced with the choice, go UoP. The total CoA is similar, but finishing a year sooner is huge. That year can significantly offset the cost of the programs.
I know you said taking out the obvious factors of cost and graduating early, but those should be your 2 deciding factors.
Now if you said you got into a cheap TX school instate vs. one of those two schools, it would be an entirely different conversation.

 

[Incis0r]

San Francisco is cold af.

Source: born and raised


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Agreed. Sometimes it's warm in the sun, but once you step into the shadow it's like polar bear weather.

Lol "Polar Bear weather" made me smile 🙂.

You guys are correct that SF can feel cold, but it's still MUCH warmer than NYC, OP's other option.

The month(s) with the coldest temperatures in SF are December/January. Per this website, the average low is 46F. That's shorts weather for me.

The month with the coldest temperature in NYC is January. Per the same website above, the average low is 26F....Below freezing.

 

[schmoob]

Lol "Polar Bear weather" made me smile 🙂.

You guys are correct that SF can feel cold, but it's still MUCH warmer than NYC, OP's other option.

The month(s) with the coldest temperatures in SF are December/January. Per this website, the average low is 46F. That's shorts weather for me.

The month with the coldest temperature in NYC is January. Per the same website above, the average low is 26F....Below freezing.

Lol I had to look at that twice. At first I thought you were saying that it was -26F.
Finals week.....

 

[Incis0r]

-26F.

Brrrrrrrutal!

 

[Hyunin1210]

Let's see...

An innovative, 3-year program (only one of its kind in the country)

According to my dentist, there were more dental schools that were 3 year programs a long time ago. Is UoP the last one left or are they starting trend again?

 

[nonociceptors]

SUNNY and WARM SAN FRANCISCO

Know how I can tell you've never lived in SF?

Edit guess I should've scrolled down before replying haha


To me this comes down to cost and time. Both are expensive, but one is a year less It's a no-brainer OP.

 

[nonociceptors]

According to my dentist, there were more dental schools that were 3 year programs a long time ago. Is UoP the last one left or are they starting trend again?

They switched to 4, don't plan on any switching back in the next decade. If anything there was talk of 5 but that got shot down fast. 4 is the norm for good, uop is just an outlier.

 

[pgex2t]

They switched to 4, don't plan on any switching back in the next decade. If anything there was talk of 5 but that got shot down fast. 4 is the norm for good, uop is just an outlier.

Oh god 5; just imagine the tuition hike. Stuff of nightmares.

 

[Advance]

Oh god 5; just imagine the tuition hike. Stuff of nightmares.

Lmao what would year 5 even consist of? A 1 year residency?

 

[sumin5924]

Lmao what would year 5 even consist of? A 1 year residency?

Stop giving them ideas! lol

 

[redmau5]

Lmao what would year 5 even consist of? A 1 year residency?

Fun fact: HSDM actually used to mandate five years of predoctoral training. From my understanding, they completely revamped their curriculum in 1994. Here's a link to an article for anyone interested, from which I quote:

From 1979 to 1994, the D.M.D. program at HSDM included an additional year of study devoted to exploration of clinical interests, health care administration, biomedical research, and public policy.

Interestingly, the option for a fifth curricular year still exists today.

 

[gabtse]

Lmao what would year 5 even consist of? A 1 year residency?

That's for those considering getting into the sub specialties I believe.

 

[RamsFan1991]

Let's see...

A 4-year program with HUGE class sizes in a freezing, early-darkness-gloomy-in-the-winter New York City

vs.

An innovative, 3-year program (only one of its kind in the country), with Dr. Dugoni's Legacy on humanism/treating students with respect, in SUNNY and WARM SAN FRANCISCO

Great and unbiased view here!

 

[Incis0r]

Great and unbiased view here!

I pride myself on staying neutral 😉

 

[Edward Norton]

Let's see...

A 4-year program with HUGE class sizes in a freezing, early-darkness-gloomy-in-the-winter New York City

vs.

An innovative, 3-year program (only one of its kind in the country), with Dr. Dugoni's Legacy on humanism/treating students with respect, in SUNNY and WARM SAN FRANCISCO

As an NYU grad, I can vouche for the sad truth behind this comment. NYU doesn't give 2 ****s about you. I've worked with UoP grads in private practice and I am completely amazed when they tell me that their instructors treated them with compassion and humanity as the standard of care. While I was fortunate enough to have been helped by less than a handful of wonderful instructors at NYU, the overwhelming majority of the academic staff at NYUCD were abusive and disrespectful beyond words.

 

[Incis0r]

the overwhelming majority of the academic staff at NYUCD were abusive and disrespectful beyond words.

I would hope things have improved since your time there- I've always heard that, despite having a large class size, NYU is known for the strength of its clinical preparation and the quality of its curriculum.

 

[Edward Norton]

I would hope things have improved since your time there- I've always heard that, despite having a large class size, NYU is known for the strength of its clinical preparation and the quality of its curriculum.

"Strength of clinical preparation" and "quality of curriculum" are just buzzwords that all dental schools claim to confer to students.

I commend you for seeking the opinion of others in researching dental schools. And I strongly urge you, and anyone else reading this post, to heed the advice of alumni. Wouldn't you think that as an NYUCD alumnus, I would brag and endorse my alma mater? However, it serves me no purpose to fool anyone and lead them into 4 years of mistreatment and verbal/psychological abuse by a hostile and miserable faculty.

Regardless of which dental school you attend, you will learn the fundamentals of dentistry. Then you will graduate and that's when the real learning will occur. Ask any dentist and he/she will agree 100% with that statement.

If you are fortunate enough, I advise that you invest your 4 years at a school where the faculty actually *care* that you become a competent and compassionate dentist. Anyone can learn mechanical skills. Mechanical skills can be taught -- if this is your goal in choosing a school, then God help you because you're going to be a "doctor." And however long you practice dentistry, don't forget that you're going to be a human being the rest of the time where the skills of human interaction, care, compassion, character, etc. are of fundamental importance. In my opinion, these are not cores of NYUCD and I strongly urge you to take your business elsewhere.

 

[Hyunin1210]

"Strength of clinical preparation" and "quality of curriculum" are just buzzwords that all dental schools claim to confer to students.

I commend you for seeking the opinion of others in researching dental schools. And I strongly urge you, and anyone else reading this post, to heed the advice of alumni. Wouldn't you think that as an NYUCD alumnus, I would brag and endorse my alma mater? However, it serves me no purpose to fool anyone and lead them into 4 years of mistreatment and verbal/psychological abuse by a hostile and miserable faculty.

Regardless of which dental school you attend, you will learn the fundamentals of dentistry. Then you will graduate and that's when the real learning will occur. Ask any dentist and he/she will agree 100% with that statement.

If you are fortunate enough, I advise that you invest your 4 years at a school where the faculty actually *care* that you become a competent and compassionate dentist. Anyone can learn mechanical skills. Mechanical skills can be taught -- if this is your goal in choosing a school, then God help you because you're going to be a "doctor." And however long you practice dentistry, don't forget that you're going to be a human being the rest of the time where the skills of human interaction, care, compassion, character, etc. are of fundamental importance. In my opinion, these are not cores of NYUCD and I strongly urge you to take your business elsewhere.

If everyone who graduated from NYU said the same thing I would have put my deposit down elsewhere. But for every person who said it was terrible, there are 5 others who have told me that it was great.

I have some questions if you don't mind.

Why does it fall on the faculty to make me a competent compassionate dentist?
My mentality going into school is that it is all up to me and not my instructors to make me the complete compassionate dentist. I can't remember a time in school when I had to be babysat, why does that change in dental school? You learn how to be compassionate as a dentist through experience (like you said).

What do you mean by mistreatment, verbal/psychological abuse?

What graduating class were you a part of?

Thank you. I really do value your view. Just want to know more.

 

[dyesht]

If everyone who graduated from NYU said the same thing I would have put my deposit down elsewhere. But for every person who said it was terrible, there are 5 others who have told me that it was great.

I have some questions if you don't mind.

Why does it fall on the faculty to make me a competent compassionate dentist?
My mentality going into school is that it is all up to me and not my instructors to make me the complete compassionate dentist. I can't remember a time in school when I had to be babysat, why does that change in dental school? You learn how to be compassionate as a dentist through experience (like you said).

What do you mean by mistreatment, verbal/psychological abuse?

What graduating class were you a part of?

Thank you. I really do value your view. Just want to know more.

No one here said NYU is terrible. They are telling OP to choose UOP over NYU, which I'm sure anyone would agree on, including those 5 others that tell you NYU is great

 

[dyesht]

San Francisco is cold af.

Source: born and raised


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Have you been to the east coast?!?! thats cold AF!

 

[plusalpha]

No one here said NYU is terrible. They are telling OP to choose UOP over NYU, which I'm sure anyone would agree on, including those 5 others that tell you NYU is great

Uhh.... one of the posters actually IS saying NYU is terrible: "NYU doesn't give 2 ****s about you", "the overwhelming majority of the academic staff at NYUCD were abusive and disrespectful beyond words", "4 years of mistreatment and verbal/psychological abuse by a hostile and miserable faculty"

 

[Incis0r]

Have you been to the east coast?!?! thats cold AF!

THANK YOU.

It goes below zero in the east coast....in FAHRENHEIT degrees! Just imagine- freezing point is 32F, and it goes BELOW 0F. Plus the wind chills, the early darkness, etc. etc. A friend of mine at UNE in Maine told me that it becomes dark at 3PM IN THE AFTERNOON there.

Say what you want about San Francisco- I maintain my stance: 46F (the lowest average low temperature in SF- see sources above) is shorts weather for me. Maybe a sweatshirt but nowhere near the body armor one needs to survive a Northeastern winter.

 

[Advance]

THANK YOU.

It goes below zero in the east coast....in FAHRENHEIT degrees! Just imagine- freezing point is 32F, and it goes BELOW 0F. Plus the wind chills, the early darkness, etc. etc. A friend of mine at UNE in Maine told me that it becomes dark at 3PM IN THE AFTERNOON there.

Say what you want about San Francisco- I maintain my stance: 46F (the lowest average low temperature in SF- see sources above) is shorts weather for me. Maybe a sweatshirt but nowhere near the body armor one needs to survive a Northeastern winter.

Sounds miserable.

 

[Hyunin1210]

No one here said NYU is terrible. They are telling OP to choose UOP over NYU, which I'm sure anyone would agree on, including those 5 others that tell you NYU is great

The person who I quoted actually said NYU was terrible. But yes UoP over NYU

 

[Alectrify]

The reason SF is far from "sunny and warm" isn't because of the number you see on the thermostat. Honestly, I think it'd be fair to say that the bay area is one of the most moderate places when it comes to temperature. But anyone who's lived here for any period of time will know that the weather is bipolar here. It can be freezing cold in the morning, warm during lunch time, then freezing again in the afternoon. Additionally, SF isn't the "windy city" without reason. You might consider 40F shorts weather, but you'll think twice with the wind chill.

I still love SF though so go UOP. :^)

 

[Incis0r]

The reason SF is far from "sunny and warm" isn't because of the number you see on the thermostat. Honestly, I think it'd be fair to say that the bay area is one of the most moderate places when it comes to temperature. But anyone who's lived here for any period of time will know that the weather is bipolar here. It can be freezing cold in the morning, warm during lunch time, then freezing again in the afternoon. Additionally, SF isn't the "windy city" without reason. You might consider 40F shorts weather, but you'll think twice with the wind chill.

I still love SF though so go UOP. :^)

Thank you for this insight- I was unaware about the wind chills there.

 

[hellofuturedentists]

Lol you guys, isn't it possible that some people enjoy the snow and cold weather?
Regardless, OP's post said she didn't want to factor in cost, location, and length of the program. I didn't apply to either school, but it seems like the general schooling environment at UoP might be friendlier and the class size is much smaller. I would pick UoP.

 

[nonociceptors]

The reason SF is far from "sunny and warm" isn't because of the number you see on the thermostat. Honestly, I think it'd be fair to say that the bay area is one of the most moderate places when it comes to temperature. But anyone who's lived here for any period of time will know that the weather is bipolar here. It can be freezing cold in the morning, warm during lunch time, then freezing again in the afternoon. Additionally, SF isn't the "windy city" without reason. You might consider 40F shorts weather, but you'll think twice with the wind chill.

I still love SF though so go UOP. :^)

I agree with you but I've never heard a single person call SF "the windy city." It's windy, yeah, but so are a lot of places. "The windy city" is Chicago.

 

[Incis0r]

Dude UoP no question, I keep seeing threads like this with schools that don't seem comparable lol, look at your vote and tell me it's not clear what the majority opinion is.... cheers

I wonder what the arguments of the four pro-NYU people are xD.

 

[Incis0r]

Maybe they like the vibrancy of nyc and the cold winters, Im super excited to be going where I am, and the opportunities I will have going to my school, and I loved it beyond words when I interviewed, but I've never loved the NY winters ngl, although I will say my best friend, who isn't going to dental school, but who grew up here too, hates the summer and the warm weather, he loves the winter , so I mean there deff are people who prefer the cold, although I think more people tend to favor the warmer side....

A fine point!
Columbia is a fantastic place to be, and I agree with you- everyone has their own tastes/preferences.

 

[Alectrify]

I agree with you but I've never heard a single person call SF "the windy city." It's windy, yeah, but so are a lot of places. "The windy city" is Chicago.

Oops, you're right. SF is fog city. My point still stands.