Obama vs. Romney

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Who's the better candidate for us future dentists?

 

[Dentalkid434]

Romney - and I am a liberal New Yorker rooting for him.

 

[samdig]

In what regard? I think the real questions should be who is the better candidate for those who need dental care. Dentists will be fine no matter what.

 

[jpark1800]

romney is better for dentists..obama wants to tax the heck out of ppl.
he is anti-business, make no mistake about it. also it wouldn't surprise me if the libs and obama try to get their hands on dentistry, like they did with medicine.

obama would definitely be in favor of dental therapists having their own autonomy. obamacare already sets aside multimillion-dollar grants to establish training programs for alternative dental health care providers — such as dental hygienists, dental therapists. pathetic. this is is just pork for the for-profit-educational institutions and makes dentists AND patients suffer.

 

[Kingsta2426]

should have made this a poll

 

[NDPitch]

Romney

 

[Davermz450]

Romney, Obama scares the hell out of me. Have you ever seen dooms day preppers? Well I became one when Obama got into office

 

[DenTony11235]

I'm going to say Obama. Sorry guys, seems he appears to be unpopular around here but I like him a lot more.
Romney's a liar and offers no solutions, only bad mouths the guy who's trying to fix things.

 

[timmytim]

neither. politicians are all the same to me. they only care about certain interest groups who support them financially.

 

[jpark1800]

I'm going to say Obama. Sorry guys, seems he appears to be unpopular around here but I like him a lot more.
Romney's a liar and offers no solutions, only bad mouths the guy who's trying to fix things.

Obama is very much a liar who offers no solutions, only bad mouths doctors and 'the 1%' and the business owners who are trying to hire workers.

Obama:
-Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
-Said he was AGAINST an individual mandate, but then made it an integral part of his healthcare bill. Said that Obamcare was not a tax, but the Court ruled it a tax.
-Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but key parts of health care negotiations were NOT televised.
-Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House but he then gave them waivers to work there.

I could go on and on but you get the point. He is a liar. See my point below.

neither. politicians are all the same to me. they only care about certain interest groups who support them financially.

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All politicians are the same. Romney is bought out by wall st, the big banks, and the war hawks who wanna go to war with Iran. Obama is bought out by the big corporations, academics, trial lawyers, green companies (solyndra,etc), and hospitals.

Ron Paul is the only honest politician.

 

[finchy86]

Romney's a liar and offers no solutions, only bad mouths the guy who's trying to fix things.

I agree but change "Romney" to "Obama" and you've got it right. Haha

Honestly, from what I've seen both sides do this. Obama has a way of "fixing things" and so does Romney. Our country has thrived on capitalism since its birth and I think Obama wants to change that along with several other fundamentals this country was founded on more than Romney wants to change them. Also, we gave Obama a chance for four years and ya he inherited the recession and some other things from the previous administration but he's got to draw the line on when to stop blaming that administration for some of his administration's mistakes. Why not give a smart businessman an opportunity for four years? Sorry, for the long winded comment. I do not mean to start a flame war or anything of the sort, just stating some opinions.

 

[DaPug]

They're basically the same person in different bodies, so it's a wash.

 

[walawala3]

I would vote for Vermin Supreme. He promises that if elected, he will provide free ponies for every american. 😉

 

[DMDWANNABEE]

I would be more focused on the individual congressional races which seem to me more up in the air than the presidential race. I get the vibe that despite a recent surge in the polls, Romney is going to lose.

I feel it would be particularly nice, though not at all realistically possible, for Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont to lose his seat this cycle. Rep. Elijah Cummings from Maryland could also be problematic. I guess it's all how you look at it. Each Congressman introduced a version of the "Comprehensive Dental Reform Act of 2012", and have pledged to do so each year until it passes. On the bright side, it increases Medicaid coverage of dental procedures, on a darker note, it calls for the direct training of dental therapists by various government agencies. This would allow the military to use dental therapists it trains rather than rely on the HPSP program, and allow for more rapid training of midlevels prior to their (eventual) introduction into various states. Oddly enough it would also call for dental therapists to be trained by some agency that oversees federal prisons.

 

[cbrons]

Romney, Obama scares the hell out of me. Have you ever seen dooms day preppers? Well I became one when Obama got into office

rofl

 

[cbrons]

I would be more focused on the individual congressional races which seem to me more up in the air than the presidential race. I get the vibe that despite a recent surge in the polls, Romney is going to lose.

I feel it would be particularly nice, though not at all realistically possible, for Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont to lose his seat this cycle. Rep. Elijah Cummings from Maryland could also be problematic. I guess it's all how you look at it. Each Congressman introduced a version of the "Comprehensive Dental Reform Act of 2012", and have pledged to do so each year until it passes. On the bright side, it increases Medicaid coverage of dental procedures, on a darker note, it calls for the direct training of dental therapists by various government agencies. This would allow the military to use dental therapists it trains rather than rely on the HPSP program, and allow for more rapid training of midlevels prior to their (eventual) introduction into various states. Oddly enough it would also call for dental therapists to be trained by some agency that oversees federal prisons.

The government is already getting the public ready to be treated by midlevels in all areas of medicine by aiding the propaganda that the midlevel is equivalent to the doctor/dentist despite not having gone through medical school and residency (placing them in some cases almost a decade less of training). What is happening with the so-called "Doctor of Nurse Practice" or whatever its called is a glimpse into what the future also holds for dentists.

The reason? They cost a lot less, and the government is paying a much larger share of the costs associated with the delivery of healthcare as we move closer and closer to the single payer, fully socialized (we're only 60% or so socialized now) medical system.

 

[jpark1800]

I would be more focused on the individual congressional races which seem to me more up in the air than the presidential race. I get the vibe that despite a recent surge in the polls, Romney is going to lose.

I feel it would be particularly nice, though not at all realistically possible, for Senator Bernie Sanders from Vermont to lose his seat this cycle. Rep. Elijah Cummings from Maryland could also be problematic. I guess it's all how you look at it. Each Congressman introduced a version of the "Comprehensive Dental Reform Act of 2012", and have pledged to do so each year until it passes. On the bright side, it increases Medicaid coverage of dental procedures, on a darker note, it calls for the direct training of dental therapists by various government agencies. This would allow the military to use dental therapists it trains rather than rely on the HPSP program, and allow for more rapid training of midlevels prior to their (eventual) introduction into various states. Oddly enough it would also call for dental therapists to be trained by some agency that oversees federal prisons.

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YES! FINALLY someone calls out the REAL THREAT TO DENTISTS..bernie sanders (who is an admitted socialist) and elijah cummings.. this Comprehensive Dental Bill is exactly what i was referring to when i said the gov't wants its hands on dentistry. Both of those jerk politicians are typical frauds. They will promise people porcelain veeners and invisalign if that is what it takes to get them reelected.

I agree with you about the Congressional races being more important. Obama is going to win in a landslide, although I don't want him to. I think the Repubs should retain control the House and they might get the Senate. Idiots like Todd Akin may ruin the Repub chances. Another snake I despise is Elizabeth Warren the most liberal partisan hack. She is almost worse than Bernie Sanders.

Dental therapists are going to be a major threat to dentist

 

[Seahawk]

Romney. Socialism sucks.

 

[diasIItema]

The better question is which person is better for the patients and oral health? Clearly Obama is. While I'm not particularly fond of either, it was the Dems and Obama that pumped money into the NHSC attempting to increase the number of physicians/general dentists serving indigent populations. Romney couldn't care less about the poor/underserved; he's never interacted with them. He doesn't view health care as a right, but as a commodity. I'm sorry, but in the 21st century basic access to health care is a fundamental human right and anyone who thinks otherwise does not deserve to be a doctor of medicine.

And while socialism is a terrible and failed system, universal health care and single-payer systems is not socialism. To equate the two is simply ignorant.

I'm also an NHSC scholar so naturally I'm a little biased between the two 🙂

Again, how anyone could vote for Romney, clearly an aristocrat who will say ANYTHING to get elected, is beyond me. I voted for McCain, btw, so I'm not a dem.

 

[mtinamer]

The better question is which person is better for the patients and oral health? Clearly Obama is. While I'm not particularly fond of either, it was the Dems and Obama that pumped money into the NHSC attempting to increase the number of physicians/general dentists serving indigent populations. Romney couldn't care less about the poor/underserved; he's never interacted with them. He doesn't view health care as a right, but as a commodity. I'm sorry, but in the 21st century basic access to health care is a fundamental human right and anyone who thinks otherwise does not deserve to be a doctor of medicine.

And while socialism is a terrible and failed system, universal health care and single-payer systems is not socialism. To equate the two is simply ignorant.

I'm also an NHSC scholar so naturally I'm a little biased between the two 🙂

Again, how anyone could vote for Romney, clearly an aristocrat who will say ANYTHING to get elected, is beyond me. I voted for McCain, btw, so I'm not a dem.

I'm a republican as well and I want to vote for Ron Paul, the only honest candidate. But what do you know? Honesty doesn't really work in Washington.

 

[jpark1800]

The better question is which person is better for the patients and oral health? Clearly Obama is. While I'm not particularly fond of either, it was the Dems and Obama that pumped money into the NHSC attempting to increase the number of physicians/general dentists serving indigent populations. Romney couldn't care less about the poor/underserved; he's never interacted with them. He doesn't view health care as a right, but as a commodity. I'm sorry, but in the 21st century basic access to health care is a fundamental human right and anyone who thinks otherwise does not deserve to be a doctor of medicine.

And while socialism is a terrible and failed system, universal health care and single-payer systems is not socialism. To equate the two is simply ignorant.

I'm also an NHSC scholar so naturally I'm a little biased between the two 🙂

Again, how anyone could vote for Romney, clearly an aristocrat who will say ANYTHING to get elected, is beyond me. I voted for McCain, btw, so I'm not a dem.

Lol. You think Obama is good for patients . Obama wants to move towards the whole junk way of practicing medicine like Kaiser, and put it all under the guise of 'cutting costs'. It is the Dems and Obama who are poison to private MDs, by slashing their reimbursement rates, but increasing the reimbursement rates to corrupt hospitals to adjust for inflation.

"I'm sorry, but in the 21st century basic access to health care is a fundamental human right and anyone who thinks otherwise does not deserve to be a doctor of medicine."

I find that comment of yours highly offensive. Health care is NOT a fundamental human right. Neither is education. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and pursuit of happiness are fundamental human rights. Healthcare is a commodity.I deserve to be a doctor of medicine just as much as anyone, so why don't you quit your fake holier-than thou attitude. Someone like you, who thinks that people who believe healthcare is not a right do not deserve to be a doctor, should not be a doctor themselves and deserves to live in a country like China that doesn't believe in freedom of speech.

Ron Paul was a dedicated OBGYN and his son was a skilled opthomologist (both of them have helped people more than you have) and none of them believe healthcare is a right. You represent the reason I don't like Dems. Libs try to cast anyone who disagrees with them as heartless. What are the little trial lawyers who fill Obama and the libs campaign coffers? Are trial lawyers angels, according to your philosophy?

Universal healthcare is socialism. To equate universal healthcare and single payer with capitalism is simply ignorant.

 

[minafeet]

Lol. You think Obama is good for patients . Obama wants to move towards the whole junk way of practicing medicine like Kaiser, and put it all under the guise of 'cutting costs'. It is the Dems and Obama who are poison to private MDs, by slashing their reimbursement rates, but increasing the reimbursement rates to corrupt hospitals to adjust for inflation.

"I'm sorry, but in the 21st century basic access to health care is a fundamental human right and anyone who thinks otherwise does not deserve to be a doctor of medicine."

I find that comment of yours highly offensive. Health care is NOT a fundamental human right. Neither is education. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and pursuit of happiness are fundamental human rights. Healthcare is a commodity.I deserve to be a doctor of medicine just as much as anyone, so why don't you quit your fake holier-than thou attitude. Someone like you, who thinks that people who believe healthcare is not a right do not deserve to be a doctor, should not be a doctor themselves and deserves to live in a country like China that doesn't believe in freedom of speech.

Ron Paul was a dedicated OBGYN and his son was a skilled opthomologist (both of them have helped people more than you have) and none of them believe healthcare is a right. You represent the reason I don't like Dems. Libs try to cast anyone who disagrees with them as heartless. What are the little trial lawyers who fill Obama and the libs campaign coffers? Are trial lawyers angels, according to your philosophy?

Universal healthcare is socialism. To equate universal healthcare and single payer with capitalism is simply ignorant.

Whether or not healthcare is a fundamental human right is a difference of opinion unfortunately. I'd have to agree with diasIItema and the UN on this because I think the values of liberty, freedom, and pursuit of happiness that America holds as ideals cannot be a reality if people are not free persons to act. Can a sick person with no options truly hope to pursue happiness let alone social mobility? Many are born into this country to a family with little means and I don't think they should be punished for it.

I'm not saying everyone deserves elective surgeries and procedures -- I think, though, that there is a baseline of healthcare that should be provided and paid for by taxes. America pays much more than any other country for healthcare but has the greatest number uninsured and so many without access to healthcare. Many of this is do to overhead and administrative costs that wouldn't occur with a single-payer system.

I also don't think capitalism and universal healthcare and a single-payer system are exclusive entities. Capitalism does very well in most markets but it fails with the environment and with healthcare because these are unique markets that present challenges that capitalism cannot fully overcome.

Also why are you so vehemently attacking someone and saying they deserve to live in a place without freedom of speech when you are getting mad precisely because of their freedom of speech? I understand this is something you are very passionate about, as many people are with this topic, but there's really no need to get aggressive. Lighten up man, it's a public and anonymous forum with people you will probably never meet. I'm pretty sure I've seen your name somewhere else along with anti-affirmative action speeches, I think. Lighten up and voice your opinions and concentrate on the real matter at hand: this admissions cycle haha.

 

[mtinamer]

Lol. You think Obama is good for patients . Obama wants to move towards the whole junk way of practicing medicine like Kaiser, and put it all under the guise of 'cutting costs'. It is the Dems and Obama who are poison to private MDs, by slashing their reimbursement rates, but increasing the reimbursement rates to corrupt hospitals to adjust for inflation.

"I'm sorry, but in the 21st century basic access to health care is a fundamental human right and anyone who thinks otherwise does not deserve to be a doctor of medicine."

I find that comment of yours highly offensive. Health care is NOT a fundamental human right. Neither is education. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and pursuit of happiness are fundamental human rights. Healthcare is a commodity.I deserve to be a doctor of medicine just as much as anyone, so why don't you quit your fake holier-than thou attitude. Someone like you, who thinks that people who believe healthcare is not a right do not deserve to be a doctor, should not be a doctor themselves and deserves to live in a country like China that doesn't believe in freedom of speech.

Ron Paul was a dedicated OBGYN and his son was a skilled opthomologist (both of them have helped people more than you have) and none of them believe healthcare is a right. You represent the reason I don't like Dems. Libs try to cast anyone who disagrees with them as heartless. What are the little trial lawyers who fill Obama and the libs campaign coffers? Are trial lawyers angels, according to your philosophy?

Universal healthcare is socialism. To equate universal healthcare and single payer with capitalism is simply ignorant.

Couldn't have said those two red points better myself 🙂

And 👍👍 to Ron Paul was a dedicated OBGYN and his son was a skilled opthomologist

 

[timmytim]

all this political discourse is so meaningless...just VOTE for the candidate you believe in

 

[jpark1800]

Whether or not healthcare is a fundamental human right is a difference of opinion unfortunately. I'd have to agree with diasIItema and the UN on this because I think the values of liberty, freedom, and pursuit of happiness that America holds as ideals cannot be a reality if people are not free persons to act. Can a sick person with no options truly hope to pursue happiness let alone social mobility? Many are born into this country to a family with little means and I don't think they should be punished for it.

I'm not saying everyone deserves elective surgeries and procedures -- I think, though, that there is a baseline of healthcare that should be provided and paid for by taxes. America pays much more than any other country for healthcare but has the greatest number uninsured and so many without access to healthcare. Many of this is do to overhead and administrative costs that wouldn't occur with a single-payer system.

I also don't think capitalism and universal healthcare and a single-payer system are exclusive entities. Capitalism does very well in most markets but it fails with the environment and with healthcare because these are unique markets that present challenges that capitalism cannot fully overcome.

Also why are you so vehemently attacking someone and saying they deserve to live in a place without freedom of speech when you are getting mad precisely because of their freedom of speech? I understand this is something you are very passionate about, as many people are with this topic, but there's really no need to get aggressive. Lighten up man, it's a public and anonymous forum with people you will probably never meet. I'm pretty sure I've seen your name somewhere else along with anti-affirmative action speeches, I think. Lighten up and voice your opinions and concentrate on the real matter at hand: this admissions cycle haha.

im not attacking anyone. im expressing my opinion. did you see what he wrote? he says that because I think healthcare is not a right, I dont deserve to be a doctor. Why don't you call him out for that?😕 Also people have attacked me for saying comments that are nowhere as bad as his.

His view on people who think healthcare is not a right, sounds like a mullah in the Middle East who thinks anyone who disagrees with him shouldn't be allowed to do certain things.

So yes I will stand up for free speech. I'm proud of this country and Im proud of free speech.

 

[glumaprimerbond]

The better question is which person is better for the patients and oral health? Clearly Obama is. While I'm not particularly fond of either, it was the Dems and Obama that pumped money into the NHSC attempting to increase the number of physicians/general dentists serving indigent populations. Romney couldn't care less about the poor/underserved; he's never interacted with them. He doesn't view health care as a right, but as a commodity. I'm sorry, but in the 21st century basic access to health care is a fundamental human right and anyone who thinks otherwise does not deserve to be a doctor of medicine.

And while socialism is a terrible and failed system, universal health care and single-payer systems is not socialism. To equate the two is simply ignorant.

I'm also an NHSC scholar so naturally I'm a little biased between the two 🙂

Again, how anyone could vote for Romney, clearly an aristocrat who will say ANYTHING to get elected, is beyond me. I voted for McCain, btw, so I'm not a dem.

You're wrong on that. I know the Governor personally and I place all my confidence that he cares.

 

[MikeQ]

Ron Paul

 

[NDPitch]

Ron Paul

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[Smurf12]

Ron Paul

Legend has it that Ron Paul once caused a lie detector to tap out.

 

[diasIItema]

im not attacking anyone. im expressing my opinion. did you see what he wrote? he says that because I think healthcare is not a right, I dont deserve to be a doctor. Why don't you call him out for that?😕 Also people have attacked me for saying comments that are nowhere as bad as his.

His view on people who think healthcare is not a right, sounds like a mullah in the Middle East who thinks anyone who disagrees with him shouldn't be allowed to do certain things.

So yes I will stand up for free speech. I'm proud of this country and Im proud of free speech.

I stand by what I said and I'll stand by what Plato said: "The physician of whom you were just speaking, is he a moneymaker, a collector of fees, or a healer of the sick?" That's in The Republic, btw.

1) I'm not a democrat. I clearly stated I voted for McCain in the last election. I don't believe in Obamacare b/c I think it's a failed compromise b/t two different ideals. But it's a step in the right direction, which is a single-payer system and some form of universal coverage.

2) Considering I'm an NHSC scholar and will be working to serve indigent populations, I think I have some baseline of credibility as to my intentions.

3) Ron Paul named his son Rand after Ayn Rand; you know, the pseudo-philosopher who invented objectivism, aka. "look-out-for-number-one." So yeah, I would say I disagree with Ron Paul on his views. Just b/c he's a physician and a politician doesn't mean he knows everything about health policy. And Atlas Shrugged is probably the most overrated book of all time in case you start quoting that nonsense up in here.

4) The reimbursement rates you describe apply to Medicare and Medicaid, which are what they are b/c we're attempting to mix a capitalistic, for-profit system with universal medicine. You can't have both. The fact that medicine is treated as a commodity (e.g. for-profit insurance companies) is exactly why physicians and dentists aren't reimbursed what they should be. The only reason ignorant Americans equate universal coverage with socialism dates back to anti-German sentiments following WWI and WWII b/c of their Bismarckian system. I have to say, it's been working for hundreds of years and no German pays a penny for health care, and they yield better health outcomes than the US without bankrupting their economy.

5) You mean to tell me that you would stare a child with an impacted and infected third molar, with the risk of meningitis and potential mortality, in the face and tell him that you won't offer him treatment b/c he doesn't have the money to pay? You believe it is ethical to withhold treatment from an individual, when you have the means to treat him or her, b/c you cannot make a profit? You think it's justified that 90% of health research funding is currently spent on 10% of the global health burden b/c that is the ratio that yields the most profit, while millions die annually from readily treatable dz? What kind of sadistic individual are you?

You also think education is a commodity? Not providing universal access to education and health care is basically indirect eugenics and man-made natural selection. It's barbaric and any society built upon such principles will fail. The Constitution, the document Ron Paul so frequently quotes, states: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

At what point in that Preamble can you discern that the Founding Fathers viewed education and health care as commodities? It's pretty hard to form a more perfect Union and provide for the general welfare when only a portion of the population can afford to do so.

I hope you fail to matriculate.

I'll enjoy my full ride AND serving the underserved while you're b*tching about your paycheck.

 

[321931]

My only gripe with Romney is that I always hear a "new" Romney every other week. Not the biggest fan of Obama; however, how can I choose an opposing party with seemingly contradicting ideas every other week?

 

[NDPitch]

I hope you fail to matriculate.

I'll enjoy my full ride AND serving the underserved while you're b*tching about your paycheck.

Your post was worth a read until this. You went from laying out your thoughts coherently and professionally to blatantly attacking someone in a "I'm better than you" tone.

I don't agree with your views, but I was happy to read them until this. No need to go over the top here people. We're all trying to become professionals. Act like it.

You get a thumb down from me. 👎

 

[tinman831]

Take the politics to the lounge. No need to debate here.