Objectives for lectures

[Hyperthymestic]

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So I'm wondering if this is just at my medical school or all schools, are your professors/instructors/whoever gives lectures supposed to provide objectives for each lecture? As in is this an AAMC rule, like the rule that they can't make going to class "mandatory" (although they can sure as hell strong arm you into going by giving in-class quizzes!) I'm wondering because we've been getting lectures from this d!ckhead of a pathologist who refuses to focus on anything high-yeild, gives us no learning objectives, and gives us resident-level lectures (as confirmed by another pathologist, who thought they were completely inappropriate for MS-I's).

 

[Brain Bucket]

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[synecdoche]

like the rule that they can't make going to class "mandatory"

this is a rule?

with regard to your question though, I don't think anyone is required to give you objectives, unfortunately.

 

[Hyperthymestic]

this is a rule?

with regard to your question though, I don't think anyone is required to give you objectives, unfortunately.

Yea, schools are not supposed to make going to class mandatory, per the AAMC

 

[Psai]

I thought that having objectives was necessary to stay accredited by the LCME.

 

[DermViser]

Yea, schools are not supposed to make going to class mandatory, per the AAMC

Um, not exactly: https://www.aamc.org/download/268838/data/lecture_video_recording_and_attendance.pdf

 

[Hyperthymestic]

I thought that having objectives was necessary to stay accredited by the LCME.

Yea, maybe thats what I was thinking, LCME, not the AAMC

Um, not exactly: https://www.aamc.org/download/268838/data/lecture_video_recording_and_attendance.pdf

I stand corrected!

 

[DermViser]

Yea, maybe thats what I was thinking, LCME, not the AAMC

I stand corrected!

The LCME doesn't mandate that courses provide "objectives". They mandate that only certain coursework be part of the curriculum. How the med school chooses to teach it is their problem.

 

[Anastomoses]

The LCME doesn't mandate that courses provide "objectives". They mandate that only certain coursework be part of the curriculum. How the med school chooses to teach it is their problem.

I just have to say, I'm finally beginning to find you to be an excellent contribution. So informative!

 

[DermViser]

I just have to say, I'm finally beginning to find you to be an excellent contribution. So informative!

I figure if people are going to state something as fact on how things are, it should be accurate. No school is mandated to provide "objectives" for each lecture they give. That's micromanaging at the most ridiculous level.

 

[Hyperthymestic]

I figure if people are going to state something as fact on how things are, it should be accurate. No school is mandated to provide "objectives" for each lecture they give. That's micromanaging at the most ridiculous level.

I didn't state it as fact, it was an open question

 

[DermViser]

I didn't state it as fact, it was an open question

You said, "Yea, schools are not supposed to make going to class mandatory, per the AAMC".

 

[Hyperthymestic]

I figure if people are going to state something as fact on how things are, it should be accurate. No school is mandated to provide "objectives" for each lecture they give. That's micromanaging at the most ridiculous level.

You said, "Yea, schools are not supposed to make going to class mandatory, per the AAMC".

In your response you were referring to the objectives. In any case, I found an old site-visit report by the lcme and one of their "Recommendations for Improvement" for whatever school it was, was that students be provided learning objectives. Obviously this is intentionally vague so as to allow the school to decide how to go about doing that, so that would be the answer. Its not a "rule", and it wasn't the aamc.

As for the mandatory class thing I guess I was incorrectly informed because I didn't come across that.

 

[Psai]

The LCME doesn't mandate that courses provide "objectives". They mandate that only certain coursework be part of the curriculum. How the med school chooses to teach it is their problem.

"Section II. EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM FOR THE M.D. DEGREE


Part B: Narrative Data and Tables


ED-1. The faculty of an institution that offers a medical education program must define the objectives of its program. The objectives must serve as guides for establishing curriculum content and provide the basis for evaluating the effectiveness of the program.

Objectives for the medical education program as a whole serve as statements of what students are expected to learn or accomplish during the course of the program.


It is expected that the objectives of the medical education program will be formally adopted by the curriculum governance process and the faculty (as a whole or through its recognized representatives). Among those who should also exhibit familiarity with these objectives are the dean and the academic leadership of clinical affiliates who share in the responsibility for delivering the program.


ED-1-A. The objectives of a medical education program must be stated in outcome-based terms that allow assessment of student progress in developing the competencies that the profession and the public expect of a physician.


The objectives of the medical education program are statements of the items of knowledge, skills, behaviors, and attitudes that medical students are expected to exhibit as evidence of their achievement.


The educational objectives, along with their associated outcome measures, should reflect whether and how well graduates are developing these competencies as a basis for the next stage of their training."


I heard that it came up in one of the site visits to our school so most of our professors started putting a short slide at the beginning of powerpoints. I thought it was something they wanted to see for a school to be accredited.