Official 2008 Usmle Step 1 Experiences and Scores Thread

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Greetings my brothers and sisters ,

I am new member here and will be taking my boards in another few months .
I thought I would start a thread devoted to a compilation of 2008 usmle experiences . I don't have anything to report as yet since my test is in a few month but anyone who has taken the test in 2008 please share with us your experience and feedback so we can keep the SDN tradition alive !

Good Luck :luck:

"Never , never , never , never Give up ! "
 
I'm just starting to gather my materials together and have about 6 weeks. I'm planning on using:
FA 2008
RR path + audio
BRS phys
USMLEWORLD

Additionally skim:
HY cell and mol
HY neuro
Kaplan Behav.

I took Micro/Immuno and Biochem a while ago and was wondering if between FA/USMLEWORLD will they cover what I need for the exam or should I pick up something to refresh? And if so, any suggestions?
 
I took Micro/Immuno and Biochem a while ago and was wondering if between FA/USMLEWORLD will they cover what I need for the exam or should I pick up something to refresh? And if so, any suggestions?

I had the same question a while back.....I've now gone through all 3 and here are my thoughts:

Immuno: FA/World....I had a HY Immuno book, but took it out maybe once or twice to get an explanation for something

Micro: I referenced CMMS on a number of occasions to kind of explain/annotate FA. I don't think it's necessary to read cover to cover, but I think it's a great resource if you have it. UW is of course great for this as well.

Biochem: FA/World seems to be a winning combo. If you're weak on Biochem (like me), it helps to have a reference book available to walk you through some of the pathways. I used an old version of Lipincott's that was passed on to me, and it worked well.

I haven't taken Step 1 yet, but it's just my $0.02. GL.
 
Just curious - how are people using the goljan audio? I've been told its great for "downtime" but not to waste too much time using it during my allotted "study time." I've also got the RR but didn't really use it for path throughout the year. Thoughts?
 
I'm just starting to gather my materials together and have about 6 weeks. I'm planning on using:
FA 2008
RR path + audio
BRS phys
USMLEWORLD

Additionally skim:
HY cell and mol
HY neuro
Kaplan Behav.

I took Micro/Immuno and Biochem a while ago and was wondering if between FA/USMLEWORLD will they cover what I need for the exam or should I pick up something to refresh? And if so, any suggestions?

I felt exceptionally weak on biochem when I started studying. I never took it in ugrad, I hated it in medschool, and I didn't remember a bit of it when I started my review. I used FA/UW and starting off, I did really poorly (like 30%). After getting fed up with FA not providing any background, I picked up a copy of Kaplans Biochem book. I think it is EXCELLENT! It's not too indepth, yet it gives you enough background to undestand what is going on.

I ended up getting a tight grouping in the high performance with a star on biochem so I think that combo was definitely worth it.

One think I might suggest though, from my experience with the boards, the vast majority of questions I had concerned disease states. Don't get so caught up in learning every step in the CAC or glycolysis that you ignore the syndromes. I had 2 questions on Hurler's alone and quite a few on the other biochem diseases (Fabrys, etc). The easy money is on those pages of FA that list various diseases, product that can't be digested, and enzyme deficiency.
 
Just curious - how are people using the goljan audio? I've been told its great for "downtime" but not to waste too much time using it during my allotted "study time." I've also got the RR but didn't really use it for path throughout the year. Thoughts?

This is precisely how I use Goljan Audio - every single moment I'm in the car, on a walk with my dog, working out, etc. As a result, I've gone through it all a number of times. I personally never use it during actual "study time", but every moment of actual downtime when there's nothing else to do anyways.
 
I felt exceptionally weak on biochem when I started studying. I never took it in ugrad, I hated it in medschool, and I didn't remember a bit of it when I started my review. I used FA/UW and starting off, I did really poorly (like 30%). After getting fed up with FA not providing any background, I picked up a copy of Kaplans Biochem book. I think it is EXCELLENT! It's not too indepth, yet it gives you enough background to undestand what is going on.

I ended up getting a tight grouping in the high performance with a star on biochem so I think that combo was definitely worth it.

One think I might suggest though, from my experience with the boards, the vast majority of questions I had concerned disease states. Don't get so caught up in learning every step in the CAC or glycolysis that you ignore the syndromes. I had 2 questions on Hurler's alone and quite a few on the other biochem diseases (Fabrys, etc). The easy money is on those pages of FA that list various diseases, product that can't be digested, and enzyme deficiency.

that's hansen's biochem, right? i have the kaplan set as well and that's the one i'm only really going to focus on. goljan gives hanson a pretty laudatory plug during one of the audio lectures - although looking through the book, there appeared to be very little path and a whole lot of general biochem that i probably wouldn't see on the exam. am i missing something?
 
This is precisely how I use Goljan Audio - every single moment I'm in the car, on a walk with my dog, working out, etc. As a result, I've gone through it all a number of times. I personally never use it during actual "study time", but every moment of actual downtime when there's nothing else to do anyways.

This is exactly how I did it, I listened in my car nearly all of second year. I was able to get through it quite a few times and forget how many times actually through. It was successful for me and my score I think.
 
anyone get any? i thought every tuesday night they released them...
 
So I took the beast yesterday in Houston, TX. Just to give people some realistic context (i.e. I'm not cooler on SDN than in real life), I'm your average med student by all means, mostly B's in school, couple C's, and A's here and there. MCAT= 28Q. I have never struggled, but I'm not at the top of my class.

Anyway, I took step 1 a little early because I'm starting an internship on June 1 and didn't have time to take it after that begins.


Review:
Began about 3 weeks before my school classes ended.
While I was still in classes:
I did 50 kaplan qbank questions in the morning and 50 at night every day. Also, I had read through Goljan RR Path and listened to his lectures throughout the year, but I read through the areas in RR we were covering in class at the time.

FA 2007 because I saw no point in paying for 2008... I wrote extra things into FA that I thought might be important. I put my FA in a binder and added in my own notes here and there.

Lange Micro Cards: I took these by section and tried to cover a section per weekend. Pharm Cards (green box): same, picked a section and tried to cover during the weekends.

After Classes Ended
I had 18 days between the end of classes and Step 1.
Basically my schedule was: wake up at a decent hour, i.e. 10-12am (my test was scheduled for noon- perfect time), take my dog for a run, make leaded coffee, begin with 50 kaplan qbank questions/morning (all unused, timed). Then read through a section of first aid with a supplement book. Then I did 150 or so subject review questions in USMLE World per night (unused, incorrect, timed).


I used these ancillary sources:​
-CMMRS (I had read this during the school year and just reviewed the things that helped previously;
-HY Neuroanatomy: I didn't read all of this, but the major sections.
- HY Biostatistics: (I had read through this during the school year but again reviewed the good parts).
- Kaplan Pharm notes: (I reviewed this for the Pharm Shelf, but again looked it over)
- HY Physiology: Fantastic! I got through this book in less than a day. Its a down and dirty phys review
- Goljan RR: I referenced things from FA to this book, but I also tried to cover as much of it as I could.
- Goljan Audio: I had listened to this throughout the year, but I listened to it while running with my dog and when my eyes stopped working at night.
- Kaplan pharm for palm: This is the FREE version from the qbank website. I used this while I was waiting in lines, etc to review drugs.
- Goljan High Yield facts (some pdf floating around)- I used this during the day leading up to the test, also looked over it the morning of the test.

Qbanks​
Kaplan qbank: 35% completed, 62% correct (all unused, timed)
USMLE World: 33% completed, 65% correct (subjects, unused, incorrect, timed)

NBME 4 5 days before Step 1: score of 500 = 220? (average)

Day of the Exam​
I actually slept great the night before- I ran an extra 3 mi the afternoon prior to calm myself down (self-medicated ADHD I think). Woke up the morning of, drank some coffee and ate some oatmeal, fruit, and eggs. I had to go to the university to take Step 1 so I left early and arrived about 1hr prior to my start time. The test center people are cool, the guy even let me start early so my breaks would be staggered from other test takers. Put my stuff in a locker, took my picture, and took my dry erase boards, pens, locker id, and drivers license to my workstation.

I finished the tutorial in less than 5 minutes, but I'm glad I did it because my headphones didn't initially work and there is a "headphone test." It was worth the extra 5 min to figure that out early.

My first block was rough. I had a ton of weird path on there that I know was nowhere in Goljan or FA. But then I had the usual: goodpastures, wegeners, caisson disease, pretty much everything that goljan said in lecture was on there. I was amazed.

Micro/immuno is my best subject, as I did immuno research before med school so I didn't review this too heavily and I relied on my previous knowledge. The micro/immuno questions were really fair: Know major cytokines, IL1,2,4,5,6,8,10,12, TNFa, TGFb, IFNa, IFNg, IFNb, GCSF, GMCSF, major CDs:1,3,4, 28, 9+10 (b cell ALL). Also I had 1 question on which cells are myeloid lineage... All pretty basic. As far as bugs, I didn't have any crazy ones: Naegeria fowleri was about as exotic as they get (i.e. kid dives into a lake then dies of a headache...). Several TB questions, specifically know the aspergillus co-infection, the dissemination syndromes (potts, etc), and the side effects of the major TB drugs. There were maybe 5 questions on ABX but all very straight forward.

I got several biostats q's. Know how to calculate PPV, NPV, what a p score means, very basic stuff.

As far as anatomy I had a couple brachial plexus q's, couple cardiac (enlargement of left atrium causing dysphagia) and a ton of GI anatomy q's... especially regarding mesenteric artery infarction, i.e. would this structure be affected, where would a bullet hit if shot through the 9th IC space laterally... blah blah

Neuro: I had 2 spinal cord sections: 1 asked me to identify where pain is conducted for a patient with chronic pain. The other a pic of parkinsons. I had 2 brain gross pictures- meningioma, vertebral artery dissection. A couple MRIs, mostly cerebral hemorrhage (predisposing factor? HTN), subarachnoid versus subdural or epidural hematoma, and a child abuse skull fracture.

Behavioral science was ******ed... I don't know where they come up with those but I guess just answer them with the attitude: if they're gonna die, and can't tell you that they want a surgery- do it anyway. Keep everything confidential. Validate concerns. Don't use big medical words with patients, blah blah blah.

Pharm was straight-forward: hr/bp graphs of epinephrine administered alone vs. with a beta blocker. Major drugs for major side effects: aplastic anemia, drug induced SLE, gentamicin and ototoxicity, nephrotoxicity.

1 audio/video: Which was a lot like the set up in DxR clinican: Put your stethoscope places and listen... but the question string gave a history that was sufficient to answer the question without even looking at the video (pt. with marfans and mvp... whats he at risk for? berry aneurysm). The video was just of the mitral valve murmur.

I took little over 5 minutes for each break and trucked through the thing. I brought a banana, a frappuccino, and a bag of granola. This worked well cause I'd come out, drink some frappuccino, down handfuls of granola, take a piss and get back to it. I never finished any sections early and I always had time to go back over the ones I had marked.

I walked out of there very much in the same state as after my first wake-up of boot camp: tired, hungry, and disoriented. I think my GCS at this point was around an 11. So I cured it with some margaritas and excedrin (physician heal thyself) and forgot about it.

Overall, I was worried I was not adequately prepared, but after taking it I feel like I could have studied another month and still would not have covered all those "out of left field" questions. Out of curiosity I was looking some of them up after the test, and the answers aren't in goljan, FA, or even harrison's (i.e. what is the prototype drug name for AZT? blow me...).

My goal was a solid score, but not stellar (I'm military so I'm going to the sandbox no matter what). My best advice is just take the damn thing when you've gotten the score you want on NBME, you're over it, and you've put up a good fight. Thats about where I was at. Time will tell if I was ready.

Score: 232/97 🙂
 
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So I took the beast yesterday in Houston, TX. Just to give people some realistic context (i.e. I'm not cooler on SDN than in real life), I'm your average med student by all means, mostly B's in school, couple C's, and A's here and there. MCAT= 28Q. I have never struggled, but I'm not at the top of my class.

Anyway, I took step 1 a little early because I'm starting an internship on June 1 and didn't have time to take it after that begins.


Review:
Began about 3 weeks before my school classes ended.
While I was still in classes:
I did 50 kaplan qbank questions in the morning and 50 at night every day. Also, I had read through Goljan RR Path and listened to his lectures throughout the year, but I read through the areas in RR we were covering in class at the time.

FA 2007 because I saw no point in paying for 2008... I wrote extra things into FA that I thought might be important. I put my FA in a binder and added in my own notes here and there.

Lange Micro Cards: I took these by section and tried to cover a section per weekend. Pharm Cards (green box): same, picked a section and tried to cover during the weekends.

After Classes Ended
I had 18 days between the end of classes and Step 1.
Basically my schedule was: wake up at a decent hour, i.e. 10-12am (my test was scheduled for noon- perfect time), take my dog for a run, make leaded coffee, begin with 50 kaplan qbank questions/morning (all unused, timed). Then read through a section of first aid with a supplement book. Then I did 150 or so subject review questions in USMLE World per night (unused, incorrect, timed).


I used these ancillary sources:​
-CMMRS (I had read this during the school year and just reviewed the things that helped previously;
-HY Neuroanatomy: I didn't read all of this, but the major sections.
- HY Biostatistics: (I had read through this during the school year but again reviewed the good parts).
- Kaplan Pharm notes: (I reviewed this for the Pharm Shelf, but again looked it over)
- HY Physiology: Fantastic! I got through this book in less than a day. Its a down and dirty phys review
- Goljan RR: I referenced things from FA to this book, but I also tried to cover as much of it as I could.
- Goljan Audio: I had listened to this throughout the year, but I listened to it while running with my dog and when my eyes stopped working at night.
- Kaplan pharm for palm: This is the FREE version from the qbank website. I used this while I was waiting in lines, etc to review drugs.
- Goljan High Yield facts (some pdf floating around)- I used this during the day leading up to the test, also looked over it the morning of the test.

Qbanks​
Kaplan qbank: 35% completed, 62% correct (all unused, timed)
USMLE World: 33% completed, 65% correct (subjects, unused, incorrect, timed)

NBME 4 5 days before Step 1: score of 500 = 220? (average)

Day of the Exam​

I actually slept great the night before- I ran an extra 3 mi the afternoon prior to calm myself down (self-medicated ADHD I think). Woke up the morning of, drank some coffee and ate some oatmeal, fruit, and eggs. I had to go to the university to take Step 1 so I left early and arrived about 1hr prior to my start time. The test center people are cool, the guy even let me start early so my breaks would be staggered from other test takers. Put my stuff in a locker, took my picture, and took my dry erase boards, pens, locker id, and drivers license to my workstation.

I finished the tutorial in less than 5 minutes, but I'm glad I did it because my headphones didn't initially work and there is a "headphone test." It was worth the extra 5 min to figure that out early.

My first block was rough. I had a ton of weird path on there that I know was nowhere in Goljan or FA. But then I had the usual: goodpastures, wegeners, caisson disease, pretty much everything that goljan said in lecture was on there. I was amazed.

Micro/immuno is my best subject, as I did immuno research before med school so I didn't review this too heavily and I relied on my previous knowledge. The micro/immuno questions were really fair: Know major cytokines, IL1,2,4,5,6,8,10,12, TNFa, TGFb, IFNa, IFNg, IFNb, GCSF, GMCSF, major CDs:1,3,4, 28, 9+10 (b cell ALL). Also I had 1 question on which cells are myeloid lineage... All pretty basic. As far as bugs, I didn't have any crazy ones: Naegeria fowleri was about as exotic as they get (i.e. kid dives into a lake then dies of a headache...). Several TB questions, specifically know the aspergillus co-infection, the dissemination syndromes (potts, etc), and the side effects of the major TB drugs. There were maybe 5 questions on ABX but all very straight forward.

I got several biostats q's. Know how to calculate PPV, NPV, what a p score means, very basic stuff.

As far as anatomy I had a couple brachial plexus q's, couple cardiac (enlargement of left atrium causing dysphagia) and a ton of GI anatomy q's... especially regarding mesenteric artery infarction, i.e. would this structure be affected, where would a bullet hit if shot through the 9th IC space laterally... blah blah

Neuro: I had 2 spinal cord sections: 1 asked me to identify where pain is conducted for a patient with chronic pain. The other a pic of parkinsons. I had 2 brain gross pictures- meningioma, vertebral artery dissection. A couple MRIs, mostly cerebral hemorrhage (predisposing factor? HTN), subarachnoid versus subdural or epidural hematoma, and a child abuse skull fracture.

Behavioral science was ******ed... I don't know where they come up with those but I guess just answer them with the attitude: if they're gonna die, and can't tell you that they want a surgery- do it anyway. Keep everything confidential. Validate concerns. Don't use big medical words with patients, blah blah blah.

Pharm was straight-forward: hr/bp graphs of epinephrine administered alone vs. with a beta blocker. Major drugs for major side effects: aplastic anemia, drug induced SLE, gentamicin and ototoxicity, nephrotoxicity.

1 audio/video: Which was a lot like the set up in DxR clinican: Put your stethoscope places and listen... but the question string gave a history that was sufficient to answer the question without even looking at the video (pt. with marfans and mvp... whats he at risk for? berry aneurysm). The video was just of the mitral valve murmur.

I took little over 5 minutes for each break and trucked through the thing. I brought a banana, a frappuccino, and a bag of granola. This worked well cause I'd come out, drink some frappuccino, down handfuls of granola, take a piss and get back to it. I never finished any sections early and I always had time to go back over the ones I had marked.

I walked out of there very much in the same state as after my first wake-up of boot camp: tired, hungry, and disoriented. I think my GCS at this point was around an 11. So I cured it with some margaritas and excedrin (physician heal thyself) and forgot about it.

Overall, I was worried I was not adequately prepared, but after taking it I feel like I could have studied another month and still would not have covered all those "out of left field" questions. Out of curiosity I was looking some of them up after the test, and the answers aren't in goljan, FA, or even harrison's (i.e. what is the prototype drug name for AZT? blow me...).

My goal was a solid score, but not stellar (I'm military so I'm going to the sandbox no matter what). My best advice is just take the damn thing when you've gotten the score you want on NBME, you're over it, and you've put up a good fight. Thats about where I was at. Time will tell if I was ready.

Score TBA

Excellent feedback. Thanks for taking the time to write this up. Hope you end up with the score you were shooting for. Good luck! 👍
 
maybe off topic, but you guys seem to the best source for info on the forums...anybody getting accurate score predictions from the kaplan q-bank estimator? mine seems to be a bit high at this point. maybe i'm being underconfident (haven't taken my two NBME's yet) or maybe the questions are actually tough and i'm doing alright. any thoughts/experiences would be sweet. i'll let y'all know my strategy after the 14th i've seen how it goes.
 
maybe off topic, but you guys seem to the best source for info on the forums...anybody getting accurate score predictions from the kaplan q-bank estimator? mine seems to be a bit high at this point. maybe i'm being underconfident (haven't taken my two NBME's yet) or maybe the questions are actually tough and i'm doing alright. any thoughts/experiences would be sweet. i'll let y'all know my strategy after the 14th i've seen how it goes.

Yes, I do think that Kaplan's score estimator over estimates compared with NBME practice tests or the real thing. I dont think it's reliable
 
(i.e. what is the prototype drug name for AZT? blow me...).


Is it Zidovudine? Not that I would have known that on a test...
 
(i.e. what is the prototype drug name for AZT? blow me...).


Is it Zidovudine? Not that I would have known that on a test...

That's what I would think. My flashcards say something like "Zidovudine (ZDZ, formerly AZT)". Still, what's the point of that question...? Not something I would have thought was important.
 
Goljan, Uworld 👍

The biggest piece of insight for me after taking the real deal was just how similar UWorld was to the real thing. I know it's been said before, but it bears repeating: UWorld is absolutely gold for this test. I had many questions that were extremely similar to UW, both in content and in style. I kept expecting a score report to pop up after each block, LOL.

Goljan was also pure gold for my test. Almost less for the content he teaches, and more for his way of approaching the questions and material - thinking about things logically rather than memorizing, not missing the obvious, using the stem for clues, etc. Absolutely invaluable.

I did NBME 3&4 and the UW Assessment test, and saw questions from all three on my test.

I had very little of certain subjects (neuro, anatomy, biochem) and a ton of pathophysiology interpretation - ie. the pt has these symptoms and this lab value, what findings would you expect see in X,Y, and Z - with up and down arrows, etc.

Micro was mostly straightforward, although I did have several questions with a "classic" setup...and none of the "classic" bugs as answers. There was always a good answer, but it still made me feel a little unsure about some of them.

Pharm was pretty much straightforward, several graphs of "changing potency and response when drug X was added...what is drug X" type questions.

Cell Bio and genetics was well represented. Some questions were very easy, and others required interpretation of graphs, etc, a little trickier.

Behavioral science was mostly the "quote" questions - what should you do/ say next. Pretty easy. Decent amount of biostats, some 2x2 tables and lots of studies to interpret, p values, etc.

The A/V question: mine was actually pretty tough; I'm glad there was only one. Basically described a young, asymptomatic healthy patient with a positive family hx of "heart dz" and asked you what the problem was or if everything was normal. No clues in the stem, it was all based on the heart sounds. Between the crap headphones and my lack of experience, this question was pretty much a total toss up. Wasted some time on it, too. Even though I think these questions are kind of cool, I'm not really sure if they belong on a Step I test...it's one thing to expect second-year students to understand heart murmurs in an academic sense, but to actually have to dx with listening only is a little beyond the experience I picked up in my Physical exam course.

Thanks to all the folks who've been so incredibly helpful for sharing their wisdom on how to approach this monster. Hopefully, I will have good news in 5 or 6 weeks or so. OK, time to get my beer on 😎
 
Goljan, Uworld 👍

The biggest piece of insight for me after taking the real deal was just how similar UWorld was to the real thing. I know it's been said before, but it bears repeating: UWorld is absolutely gold for this test. I had many questions that were extremely similar to UW, both in content and in style. I kept expecting a score report to pop up after each block, LOL.

Goljan was also pure gold for my test. Almost less for the content he teaches, and more for his way of approaching the questions and material - thinking about things logically rather than memorizing, not missing the obvious, using the stem for clues, etc. Absolutely invaluable.

I did NBME 3&4 and the UW Assessment test, and saw questions from all three on my test.

I had very little of certain subjects (neuro, anatomy, biochem) and a ton of pathophysiology interpretation - ie. the pt has these symptoms and this lab value, what findings would you expect see in X,Y, and Z - with up and down arrows, etc.

Micro was mostly straightforward, although I did have several questions with a "classic" setup...and none of the "classic" bugs as answers. There was always a good answer, but it still made me feel a little unsure about some of them.

Pharm was pretty much straightforward, several graphs of "changing potency and response when drug X was added...what is drug X" type questions.

Cell Bio and genetics was well represented. Some questions were very easy, and others required interpretation of graphs, etc, a little trickier.

Behavioral science was mostly the "quote" questions - what should you do/ say next. Pretty easy. Decent amount of biostats, some 2x2 tables and lots of studies to interpret, p values, etc.

The A/V question: mine was actually pretty tough; I'm glad there was only one. Basically described a young, asymptomatic healthy patient with a positive family hx of "heart dz" and asked you what the problem was or if everything was normal. No clues in the stem, it was all based on the heart sounds. Between the crap headphones and my lack of experience, this question was pretty much a total toss up. Wasted some time on it, too. Even though I think these questions are kind of cool, I'm not really sure if they belong on a Step I test...it's one thing to expect second-year students to understand heart murmurs in an academic sense, but to actually have to dx with listening only is a little beyond the experience I picked up in my Physical exam course.

Thanks to all the folks who've been so incredibly helpful for sharing their wisdom on how to approach this monster. Hopefully, I will have good news in 5 or 6 weeks or so. OK, time to get my beer on 😎

Congrats man, thanks for the feedback.
 
How many times did you/will you guys go through FA? I've got the test in 2 wks and and half done my 1st run through. I was originally planning on going thru it 3x, but don't know if it will happen, probably only 1x + running through it after looking over world questions - is this a problem, or is this how others are approaching it?

Thanks 🙂
 
How many times did you/will you guys go through FA? I've got the test in 2 wks and and half done my 1st run through. I was originally planning on going thru it 3x, but don't know if it will happen, probably only 1x + running through it after looking over world questions - is this a problem, or is this how others are approaching it?

Thanks 🙂

Yeah, I felt the time pinch, too. Goljan is great, but it is time consuming. One suggestion that worked well for me was to flag the pages of FA that I really wanted to revisit (translocations, lysosomal storage dzs, cancer drugs, etc.). On subsequent passes, this made it relatively quick to flip through my "abridged" version of FA, and not waste time on stuff I already had down, like physiology or anatomy. To answer your question, I made it through everything 2x, some sections 3x, but I reviewed my flagged pages many times.
 
Took Step 1 on 5/22.

I left there thinking that I failed so we'll see what happens. I studied for 3 weeks and wasn't doing that hot on practice exams (barely passing). I'll give the breakdown when my scores come in and we'll see how low your practice test scores can be to pass or not pass. However I will point out that on practice nbme exams I generally just barely passed except on test 5 where I got a predicted 228 - so I think that test is unreasonably easy and probably only worth taking if you want to build your confidence a little.

Just to comment on the a/v question - the question on my test was also in an otherwise healthy female and it was difficult to discern whether it had a cresendo/decresendo - although it was clearly a systolic murmur.
One problem was that it sounded almost exactly the same in all areas - but then when I turned the volume up you could hear the differences much better - so make sure you adjust the volume.
 
Took my test today.

Initial goal: Happy to break 250+, aiming for 260+

CBBSE (8 weeks out): 83 (230)
NBME 4 (4 weeks out): 259
CBBSE retake (4 weeks out): 99
NBME 6 (3 weeks out): 265+
NBME 3 (5 days out): 265+

UW (100% completed, 84% cumulative in random timed blocks, finished with 86,88,88,92,98. Then went through all incorrect questions until I had gotten them all right)

Resources used:

I followed Taus' boards plan for my initial run-through. That included reading the following and just clarifying what was in First Aid, I only added information for Micro and it really didn't benefit me.

-CMMRS: Great read, but I hate micro and really I didn't learn it from here. I learned it by going through FA painfully and then using UW questions

-Levinson Immunology: Terrific! Quick read and after going through it once, immunology was a breeze.

-HY Behavorial Science: One of my weakest subjects and I'm not sure how much it helped me. Quick read though (a few hours).

-HY Neuroanatomy: Hated this book. It has a lot of information, but I skimmed it and never looked at it again except for the classic cross-sections.

-Kaplan Biochemistry: Magnifique, Hansen knows her stuff, plus it was a quick read for me (biochem is probably my best basic science)

-FA for Embryo, Anatomy

-BRS Physiology: I didn't annotate anything from this book, I had read it during my organ modules so it was a quick review. Especially liked the Renal, Endocrine sections.

-Kaplan QBook: solid way to review subjects as I covered them and pick some useful tidbits, saw 1 question that I learned verbatim from here

-Robbins Review of Pathology: Good way to consolidate that Path information on first run-through

-RR Pathology: I cannot emphasize how important this book was to me. It WAS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT! It filled in all the holes I had in my knowledge base better than BRS (which I tried using) and also went along terrifically with Goljan's audio. Had 1 path picture from this book on my test, and tons of the high-yield notes showed up. Must-buy, the only book besides FA that I bought new.

-FA 2006: The edition does not matter after seeing the test. I actually did not study this too much for the organ modules except for pharm (where I added Roadmap when I needed help).

-Goljan's audio: I have to say that part of me is going to miss Dr. Goljan. He was the best teacher I never had. Funny, crude, but always drilling in points that eventually would show up on my exam. Started listening to this in any spare time (driving, train) in January and got through everything about twice. Quite a few questions from here


I began studying when our school went into PBL at the beginning of April. I did not "learn" as much PBL as other people but I was dedicated and spent that time building my base. The first run-through (which took 4 weeks) was absolutely essential ! Especially for the non-memorization subjects (immuno, physio, some path) having a stable base is crucial.

After those four weeks, I took NBME 4 (259). I then went away from Taus' plan, and started UWorld. UWorld is a must-have. The format of the exam is exactly the same, and the questions will get you prepared like no other for the exam. Did 100 qs every day, random timed and usually back-to-back. Then spent time reading through ALL the explanation, even if I got it right to consolidate the information so I would not forget it in the future (Note: I did not read all the answer explanations, just the main one. Better to be able to find the CORRECT answer and ignore the wrong ones).

I went through RR Path once more in that time and also went through FA one more time.

The last week was pretty terrible, I stopped exercising and was freaking out. Finished UW strong, and then retook ALL THE QUESTIONS I GOT WRONG!!! THIS WAS HUGE BECAUSE AT LEAST 10-15 OF THESE QUESTIONS SHOWED UP DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. If you want to gain something, make sure you actually LEARNED from your mistakes on UW.

I spent the last two days covering all of FA micro and pharm. The night before I memorized some Biochem diseases (lysosomal storage, glycogen storage, lipoprotein disorders) and then read some casual reading. Was in bed by 10:15 but slept terribly.

Test Day:

I woke up on time, showered and ate, headed out. I got to the test center a half hour early but they started the test AN HOUR LATE. I just relaxed in that period, no studying. Luckily I was near the front of the line, half the people there (including some step 2 takers) had to reschedule because half the computers were not working.

As for the test itself:

Anatomy: A couple of questions every block, almost all had an associated MRI, XRay, or CT. After UW not too complex, FA + UW is adequate, it's not worth studying this for the random 1,2 weird questions.

Behavioral: One of my worst subjects and the hardest to quantify. A lot of "quote" answer choices, no real way to know how I did on those. This is a heavily hit area, at least 4-5 questions per block covered this (including psych).

Biochem: Very few questions on this, just 1 lysosomal storage disease and a couple of autosomal dominant disorder. More Cel Biology type questions which UW covered adequately. A lot easier than UW and nothing you haven't seen before (FA). Goljan was vital for nutrition questions

Embryo: DO NOT STUDY THIS! I had 3-4 embryo questions on my exam, and they were all fairly simple. Not worth reading outside of FA

Genetics: Diseases were straightforward, but some of the terms were horrific.

Immunology: Actually well covered, know the classic diseases and UNDERSTAND it, they like thinking questions.

Microbiology: I was well-prepared for this after UW and my last minute FA review. Very little virology (2-3 non-disease questions) and only 1 parasitic question (Treatment).

Pathology: Goljan, Goljan, Goljan. He is king, he is our saviour and he knows what is on this test.

Pharmacology: No drugs that weren't in FA, know side effects + mechanisms. None of those crazy UW drugs.

Physiology: You have to understand this. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS. Memorizing will not help, they like the up and down arrows with hormones, graphs showing tissue response, hypothetical situations. UNDERSTAND IT!

I took breaks after each block which was crucial. I finished in 5.5 hours, did not take a break between the last two blocks which was a real mistake. You will find yourself getting more tired as the day goes on, make sure to read questions very carefully

Final thoughts:

I thought it would interesting to count the number of questions I think I got wrong in each section (wrote it down and kept track during the test). I ended up at 292/336= 87%, which I hope is correct because they would more than exceed my expectations.

I probably will be in and out for the next few weeks, and I probably will not post my score. Anyone who wants some advice can just PM me.

Finally, thanks to everyone on this board for helping me, especially Taus who really put together a tremendous list of resources!

EDIT: It doesn't matter anymore, score>270
 
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wow, u are one brilliant dude, congrats and i'm sure u maxed out the test! i hope you'll use ur score to do some amazing residency in your city of choice 🙂 thanx for posting...only problem is i am more of a steve nash fan 🙂
 
I don't understand why people will make their practice scores and such so public yet have a problem posting their score.

I think that's exactly the problem. They put themselves on the line showing they have the potential and didn't carry through. It means either they A) Lied B) Didn't practice the right way (didn't take Qbanks under "real" conditions) or C) Choked.

None of those are things that are pleasant to be labeled with.

But then again, this is coming from someone who only posted his practice scores after he got his score back 🙂
 
I don't understand why people will make their practice scores and such so public yet have a problem posting their score.

i agree, in the end the real score is all that matters, especially for this thread. It doesn't make sense to offer advice on how to long to prepare, books to use, qbanks, schedules, etc. if people don't know how "the real deal" worked out.
 
Initial goal: Happy to break 250+, aiming for 260+

DW, looks like your taking some heat (no pun intended), for not wanting to post your score...

It seems like to me that you'll definitely be in the 99%, so it really doesn't matter.

My question is, what competitive specialty have you chosen....or still undecided? Peds, Ped Cardio, Ped Neuro, Neurosurgery, ENT......?
 
I don't understand why people will make their practice scores and such so public yet have a problem posting their score.

:laugh: You are just mad you can't see whether your prediction turned out right 😉

I think that's exactly the problem. They put themselves on the line showing they have the potential and didn't carry through. It means either they A) Lied B) Didn't practice the right way (didn't take Qbanks under "real" conditions) or C) Choked.

None of those are things that are pleasant to be labeled with.

But then again, this is coming from someone who only posted his practice scores after he got his score back 🙂

Please don't label me peepshowjohnny :scared:

If I could lied on practice tests, wouldn't it be easier to lie about my test score 😉

I have no need to have my ego boosted by a bunch of random (although very nice and friendly) people on the Internet. The only reason I posted my scores is because people kept PMing me and asking me since I posting my thoughts.

You sound like you are talking about a basketball player or something :laugh:

i agree, in the end the real score is all that matters, especially for this thread. It doesn't make sense to offer advice on how to long to prepare, books to use, qbanks, schedules, etc. if people don't know how "the real deal" worked out.

This is a forum on the Internet. People need to use their judgment and take all advice with a grain of salt. For all you know, I lied about everything. Heck, I could be a 13 year old kid sitting in Russia for all you know.

Even more, my advice has to be taken with a grain of salt too. Just because my block of questions turned out one way does not mean people should completely blow off certain things. Plus what is easy for me and difficult for me, may be opposite for other people. I had hoped that it was implied that everything I say is only based on my perspective.

DW, looks like your taking some heat (no pun intended), for not wanting to post your score...

It seems like to me that you'll definitely be in the 99%, so it really doesn't matter.

My question is, what competitive specialty have you chosen....or still undecided? Peds, Ped Cardio, Ped Neuro, Neurosurgery, ENT......?

Exactly! I'm pretty confident I achieved my goal, so what does the numerical result matter? If you want I can just put 99 if I get it :laugh:

I am still undecided, although Peds (subspecialty) is looking awfully attractive.

I'd love to continue this conversation, but I have a Saturday night to attend to, and only 3 weeks off to relax!
 
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Exactly! I'm pretty confident I achieved my goal, so what does the numerical result matter?

b/c i've been watching you post your scores up to this point...I HAVE TO KNOW!!! 😱 that didn't sound as creepy in my head.
 
I thought this thread was for posting experiences; if people want to share practice scores or give advice, that's their prerogative. Giving advice doesn't obligate them to post their scores, likewise no one reading is obligated to follow their advice. If someone doesn't want to post their scores, I think it's kind of uncool to call them out about it and make them defend their decision. Live vicariously through someone else. Just my $.02.
 
I totally agree with DragonWell. Everybody should just chill out and respect DWade's decision to not post his score. He has been nice and courteous enough to be a significant contributor to this forum...so just let the man be. 😉
 
First of all, thanks to everyone who has poster their experiences. Although intimidating it was nice to see how people reviewed and the outcomes of their scores. Here's my official experience.

Review
Had roughly 5 weeks of review and was pretty happy with that. Anymore and I think I would've just gotten lazy and not worked as hard throughout. My main review sources were:

USMLE World - we all know this rocks. By far better than kaplan qbank. Really enjoyed it.

Kaplan Qbank - far inferior to UW. Did 45% of it and then gave up and started using UW exclusively

Kaplan Home Prep - these were 4 textbook sized review books. They were only OK, but it was good to have a large consolidated source which integrated a lot of information into compact sections

Kaplan medEssentials - a surprisingly useful resource, like any comprehensive high yield review with a little more detail and almost all in chart form, which is my favorite way of learning.

First Aid 2007 - everyone uses it, its great, but I think lacks some of the minutia that is fair game for the exam.

Step-up to Step 1 - Not a bad book, gave up on using it because I liked FA and medEssentials better, but provides a different perspective on some systems, no good basic science review in this book.

Class course notes - most of our standard tests at OSU require that we study from course notes that we buy and/or supplementary books and notes we take during class. I told myself I was never going to read those again, but they were actually pretty useful and had the level of detail I was interested in, although there was a lot of missing information so this was best for flipping through and refreshing my memory.

Pharmcards -I really liked these, they had great comments and although the cards are detailed they had all the possible reactions and metabolism necessary for step 1. Went through these since December and even the day before the exam, was able to get several questions right because I read a few note cards the night before, you can't beat that kind of cramming.

Mi
crocards - great study tool for micro, provides an easy way of classifying bugs. Complete for bacteria, viruses, a little weak on obscure fungi and parasites. Overall very useful, would use these again.

Schedule

I basically sat down a few weeks before class ended and used outlook to create a schedule. I spent 2-3 days on each major organ system and reviewed basic science stuff such as micro, immuno, cell bio, genetics, epidemiology, behavioral sciences towards the end of my studying in order to cram the detail in the end. Here's a more accurate schedule.

Normal daily routine - Wake up, breakfast, 15 min of sportscenter, 50Q's on UW random, Study for 4 hours, break for an hour, study for 3 hours, break for an hour, study 3 more hours, sometimes followed by 50Q test on UW. Some days I took more breaks and others I studied more. Average study time per day 8-9 hours.

Heme-Onco - 3 days (I reviewed this and pulm. over my break so this was bonus studying)

Pulm - 2 days- see above

Neuro - 3-4 days. This was hard to study again because I got lost on how I wanted to review. Started with neuroanatomy and basal ganglia circuitry and basic locations of important nuclei and tracts. Moved on to phys, path and pharm over the next few days. My best subject in med school, worst subject on UW.

Cardio - 2 days. This was pretty easy to pick back up as I think its conceptually easy to figure out an answer based on simple principles.

MSK/Derm - 1 and 1 day respectively.

GI - 2 days. Was clueless when I started studying but felt super comfortable after reviewing this material.

Renal - 2 days. I don't really like the kidney that much, but I guess I just made it work.

Endocrine - 2 days - just a fun topic.

Biochem - 3 days spread out. After I finished myt organ based review, I started with a complete day of biochem. Every 3-4 days after that I did mini reviews to make sure I retained the detail.

Micro- 3 days. And 3 days well spent.

Genetics and Cell Bio - 1 day total. This is stuff we have been learning since high school so it wasn't too bad going over this stuff again. Make sure to look over Hardy-Weinburg (spelling?) because that's easy to learn and I noticed those questions popping up everywhere.

Immunology - 1.5 days. I had a really good undergraduate background in this so I actually only spent a day looking at this, and another 1/2 day memorizing cytokines and cell markers.

I left myself the week before the exam to just do high yeild review like basic embryo, micro and pharm and just did questions till I couldn't do anymore.

I also took 4 of the NBME exams and the free exam from USMLE. Here are my stats.

USMLE World - 62% average (80% completed) - last 10 test average = 72
Kaplan Qbank- 61% with 45% complete
USMLE practice 150 questions (5 weeks before exam) - got overall a 75% average over the three sections

NBME 1 (T minus 4 weeks) - 198
NBME 2 (T minus 3 weeks) - 209
NBME 3 (T-minus 2 weeks) - 219
NBME 4 (T minus 1.5 weeks) - 232

After my 4th NBME I decided to focus on UW so that I could actually get feedback on what I was missing, although the last NBME gave me a lot of confidence and really got me into the last couple of weeks.

TEST DAY

So I got a bunch of sleep the day before the test (7-7.5 hours) although I was concerned I wouldn't be able to get enough sleep. I arrived at the test center 30 minutes before my scheduled time and got seated right away. I really wasn't too nervous going in because I was just ready to be done.

My first three sections all turned out to be my hardest. I finished each block with roughly 10 minutes left and used that to go over questions I had marked. I would highly recommend taking all your time because a couple of answers came to me in that last 10 minutes and every question counts.

I took a 20 minute break for lunch where I ate a homemade corned beef sandwich, some baby cut carrots, a banana, and a diet pepsi max (this drink is awesome, will drink this between every major test for the rest of my life)

After lunch something must have clicked because I felt much more confident about my last 4 sections. I took 2-5 minutes between each of these sections to get up, use the bathroom, eat part of a dark chocolate candy bar (my secrete test weapon) and just stretch. I ended up only using 40 minutes of my break, but I was ok with that because I was ready to finish.

All in all, I really have no gage of how I did. My ideal score would be a 245, but I am hoping to get over a 230. I am expecting to get in the low 230's based on my practice exams and on my UW scores on my last exams. I will post my score when it comes on July 16th (hopefully earlier, but unlikely)

Thanks again to everyone who has posted their experiences. Although this is my first post, I have been diligently reading everyone else's for quite some time and they have been really useful. Good luck if you still have to take the test.
 
hey anyone take the test around may 16th? think our scores will be available this wednesday?

i didn't have audio visual on my exam, just the regular 350 Qs
 
Took my test today.......

Finally, thanks to everyone on this board for helping me, especially Taus who really put together a tremendous list of resources!
you're welcome.... congrats on getting through the last few months.....feels damn good to be done doesn't it?.....best of luck w/ the score
 
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hey anyone take the test around may 16th? think our scores will be available this wednesday?

i didn't have audio visual on my exam, just the regular 350 Qs

I took it the 14th and hopefully we'll get them this week, but who knows I'm thinking it'll prob be next week.
 
you're welcome.... congrats on getting through the last few months.....feels damn good to be done doesn't it?.....best of luck w/ the score

It feels great! 🙂

It was a little weird waking up on Monday morning and panicking before realizing that it is over and there is no reason to wake up at 7:00.

July 16th seems so far away!
 
i took it the 15th... hearing late tonight would be awesome. hearing 7/16 would be not awesome...

I took my test on the 12th of May and got my score exactly when the clock struck 12 am. I am happy with my score. If I had another 2 weeks, I could have definitely increased it even more by 10 points.
 
Does anyone know where I can get/buy goljan audio files/ cds/ whatever? I have been searching online a lot, but all of the "click here"'s are dead-ends and I can't find it on ebay or amazon. Tried everything.
 
Does anyone know where I can get/buy goljan audio files/ cds/ whatever? I have been searching online a lot, but all of the "click here"'s are dead-ends and I can't find it on ebay or amazon. Tried everything.

they're all illegally bootlegged...so you can download them off like a limewire/bittorrent type of program if you have it pretty easily
 
dumb question...but what does the bottom number in the score report represent?
 
First, let me say congrads to all those who put up the amazing scores we always see on here. Here is my story....not nearly as impressive as those seen here but still a pass.

MCAT- 19
Med School - average student with C's and some B's...the occasional / rare A
NBME 1 - 195 before i started studying
NBME 2 - 172 (1 month in, sweet how my score went down)
NBME 3 - 178 (2 weeks before test)
USMLE free - 205 (1 week before test)
USMLERx 70% complete - 62 avg but the last couple hundred questions 65-72
UW - only about 30% complete scores ranging from 48% - 65%, mostly mid 50"s
Used first aid, Pass program, some high yeild as references and I studied for about 2 months. Probably around 6 - 8 hrs a day.

Step 1 test date May 12. Score report this morning, June 4..... 190/77

I was hoping to score 204-210...but i will take the passing score.

Congrads to all those who passed and lots of luck to those getting ready to take it. I am proof that its possible. Thanks to my loving wife and family for all they have put up with over the past months and the non-stop OCD oasis checking.
 
Congrats dude! Even though not a SDN score, who cares? At least you're done! Now go have a beer...or two.:hardy:

I'm glad there's such an entity as an "SDN Score". I was starting to feel a little inferior with all the 240+ hopes and realities. I'd seriously kick my heels with a 185...anything extra is bonus!

These aren't the droids you're looking for.
 
I'm glad there's such an entity as an "SDN Score". I was starting to feel a little inferior with all the 240+ hopes and realities. I'd seriously kick my heels with a 185...anything extra is bonus!

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

i'm so glad that there're normal people on SDN whom i can relate to... 🙂
 
I'm glad there's such an entity as an "SDN Score". I was starting to feel a little inferior with all the 240+ hopes and realities. I'd seriously kick my heels with a 185...anything extra is bonus!

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Here's how you calculate your SDN Score: 185 + 0.3(SDN Post Count) + 10 because some of those questions were BS anyway.
 
dumb question...but what does the bottom number in the score report represent?

Nothing really. The 2 digit score is basically there to satisfy the requirement of some state licensing boards which require a score of above 75 on a 2 digit scale. Aside from that it doesn't mean that much. You could have a 235/99 or a 264/99.


Congrats👍 Beat me by a point!

First, let me say congrads to all those who put up the amazing scores we always see on here. Here is my story....not nearly as impressive as those seen here but still a pass.

The real question is whether you scored some waves following the exam. Judging by your screenname, I'd assume you surf and let's face it, a few double overhead tubes would beat out a 260 on the awesomness scale.

/stuck inland🙁
 
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