Official 2009 Rank List Thread

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Looking to go back to NYC. Hopefully rents will be a little cheaper this time around.

1. Cornell
2. Columbia
3. NYU
4. USC
5. Cedars-Sinai
6. St. Lukes Roosevelt
7. U of Washington
8. Loma Linda
9. Baylor
 
Congrats on finalizing your list.....i still gotta get on that
 
Wow, it's already begun... still need to finalize the center portion of my list but I'll report back in a bit...
 
1.- UT-San Antonio
2.- Vanderbilt
3.- Baylor
4.- UCSF
5.- Ochsner
6.- U of Arizona
 
1. UWashington
2. Mayo
3. Wisconsin
4. U of Chicago
5. Medical College of Wisconsin
6. Iowa
7. UMKC

Is it March 19th yet? :laugh:
 
Mine's finalized and certified...has been for over a week...will post closer to Match or Day, or at least 2/25/09. 😉
 
Tensegrity said:
1. Vermont
2. Maine
3. BIDMC
4. UMass
5. URMC
6. Hopkins
7. Baystate

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Man, I am jealous. I am from Worcester, MA and miss NE. VT, UMass or Baystate (good ol' Springfield) are all great choices. I have an amazing wife that is a bit warm blooded though.

Best of luck, Tensegrity.
 
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1. Utah
2. Virg Mason
3. OHSU
4. UCSF
5. UCLA
6. Colorado
7. Stanford
8. San Diego
9. Arizona
 
I just learned that the University of Utah’s program will terminate any resident who does not perform well on the “in-service exam”! Apparently, there are no questions asked, no chance for remediation, no help from the program, no consideration of the residents clinical performance, just termination for a bad test result. Clearly they care more about numbers than their residents. I am not going to rank a program like that. Just wanted to give others a heads up.
 
Aprotos said:
I just learned that the University of Utah’s program will terminate any resident who does not perform well on the “in-service exam”! Apparently, there are no questions asked, no chance for remediation, no help from the program, no consideration of the residents clinical performance, just termination for a bad test result. Clearly they care more about numbers than their residents. I am not going to rank a program like that. Just wanted to give others a heads up.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm, is Utah your #1 choice? :laugh:
 
Aprotos said:
I just learned that the University of Utah’s program will terminate any resident who does not perform well on the “in-service exam”! Apparently, there are no questions asked, no chance for remediation, no help from the program, no consideration of the residents clinical performance, just termination for a bad test result. Clearly they care more about numbers than their residents. I am not going to rank a program like that. Just wanted to give others a heads up.
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You created a profile and this is your first and only post just to warn us!! Now thats just pure altruism!! I am happy to know there are people out there like you in this world, especially when there are so many others that are selfish and willing to sabotage other candidates rank list. 😉

Thanks for the heads up!!
Hope you match at your #1!!! (Which of course is not U of Utah's)
 
Aprotos said:
I just learned that the University of Utah’s program will terminate any resident who does not perform well on the “in-service exam”! Apparently, there are no questions asked, no chance for remediation, no help from the program, no consideration of the residents clinical performance, just termination for a bad test result. Clearly they care more about numbers than their residents. I am not going to rank a program like that. Just wanted to give others a heads up.
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So...do well on it then. 😀
 
Message I got was that if you got below 15th percentile, they would take action, but only if you did not do better the next time. Clearly in a competitive program with high caliber residents, no one should have such a low score. I think every program has their remediation, probation action for low scores. Some even higher than the above. Professionalism (an ACGME competency, along with Medical Knowledge) means you take that exam seriously. Should be there to learn and do well, not just have a lifestyle and ski. Doubt I would change my ranking based on a program that puts some teeth into doing well.
 
Just thought I would pass on the info. Take it or ignore it. Surely if you interviewed at Utah, you got the e-mail addresses of residents at the program. Don’t take my word for it, ask them. It didn’t sound right to me either. From what I heard they didn’t even want their residents to know about the policy. That passes my litmus test for SHADY! And makes me wonder what else is going on there. Anyone can have a bad day. I’m not willing to bet my career, life, and goals on that.
 
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Aprotos said:
I just learned that the University of Utah’s program will terminate any resident who does not perform well on the “in-service exam”! Apparently, there are no questions asked, no chance for remediation, no help from the program, no consideration of the residents clinical performance, just termination for a bad test result. Clearly they care more about numbers than their residents. I am not going to rank a program like that. Just wanted to give others a heads up.
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Not familiar with the program, but I doubt this is the complete truth. The timing sure is odd. Don't you want your residency classmates to be good candidates as well?
This reminds me of the political smear campaign 2 days before the election when there is no time for the candidate to refute the allegations against them.
 
You don't have to take my word for it - plenty of time to e-mail or call. If you are interested, do some homework. That is all I am saying. For me, it sounds way to shady. They are off my list. This just made me investigate everyone on my list a little closer. I don't think that is bad advice.
 
Agree. Anyone can have a bad day, but it seems that in anesthesiology you have to be smart, and what you don't know could end up as a severe patient complication or death. Pressure is on and lack of knowledge because you don't take studying seriously is a major weak link. If someone makes an uncorrectable mistake because of poor skills or lack of knowledge in the operating room (whether it be surgeons or anesthesiologists) the patient may pay with his or her life. That in itself could be a career changing mistake. People that don't take their knowledge base seriously should not be pretending in the operating room. I don't think I want anyone like that taking care of me.
 
One of the downsides of the internet is the anonymity and deciding who to believe. It may be that you are just a good samaritan passing along useful information. However, comments like this that appear at this point in the match process are usually posted by desperate people who wish to create doubt in the minds of those who might be competing with them for a position at a very nice program. I only post this to allow others to realize that this occurs every year about this time and to use a little skepticism in deciding who to believe.
If you are the exception and are doing this out of the goodness of your heart, then what prompted you to suddenly decide to do this? If they will not be on your list, what do you gain? If you don't know all of the circumstances, then you may be reporting half truths. It may be true that they may have let someone go, but other than a few people in the dept, most probably don't know the real reason and it may be multifactorial (ie poor ITE scores plus terrible evals and poor professional behavior).
I am not a fan of sabotaging a program based on hearsay. I have always heard good things about that program. Just my two cents.
 
Gern Blansten said:
One of the downsides of the internet is the anonymity and deciding who to believe. It may be that you are just a good samaritan passing along useful information. However, comments like this that appear at this point in the match process are usually posted by desperate people who wish to create doubt in the minds of those who might be competing with them for a position at a very nice program. I only post this to allow others to realize that this occurs every year about this time and to use a little skepticism in deciding who to believe.
If you are the exception and are doing this out of the goodness of your heart, then what prompted you to suddenly decide to do this? If they will not be on your list, what do you gain? If you don't know all of the circumstances, then you may be reporting half truths. It may be true that they may have let someone go, but other than a few people in the dept, most probably don't know the real reason and it may be multifactorial (ie poor ITE scores plus terrible evals and poor professional behavior).
I am not a fan of sabotaging a program based on hearsay. I have always heard good things about that program. Just my two cents.
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then don't make your decision on hearsay. Do a little more homework. Hopefully if nothing else, you will take a little closer look at everyone on your list. Programs will always put their "best foot forward" when you interview. Send the residents an e-mail - get a better picture of the program. We are all at the end of a very tough four year road. We should all be happy with our final decision for a residency position. It sounds like this program has been dishonest. I'm sure there are many programs that were dishonest - so as I mentioned above, don't make YOUR decision on hearsay. I believe this program deserves a little more investigation.
 
positraction said:
Agree. Anyone can have a bad day, but it seems that in anesthesiology you have to be smart, and what you don't know could end up as a severe patient complication or death. Pressure is on and lack of knowledge because you don't take studying seriously is a major weak link. If someone makes an uncorrectable mistake because of poor skills or lack of knowledge in the operating room (whether it be surgeons or anesthesiologists) the patient may pay with his or her life. That in itself could be a career changing mistake. People that don't take their knowledge base seriously should not be pretending in the operating room. I don't think I want anyone like that taking care of me.
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Since when does a multiple choice test actually test your skills as a clinician? I'm sure you can find someone that wouldn't miss one question, and you wouldn't let them take care of you. Isn't that why we have multiple ways of judging knowledge and clinical skills?
 
1. Disney World Magic Kingdom
2. Animal Kingdom
3. Epcot
4. Disney Hollywood Studio
5. Downtown Disney - Pleasure Island
6. Disney Water Parks

Whoops, wrong list from my post-match vacay in May.

Just passing on the deals! Disney world is having an awesome sale, buy 4 nights, get 3 nights free 'magic your way' package! 🙂 Get the plane tickets separately though (kayak it). $451 per person for 7 nights, 8 days at Pop Century WDW resort with 7 base park tickets! Also free transport from airport to resort and resort to parks. Final price: about $57 per person (On-site Hotel + Park Tickets + Transportation) per day. No need to rent a car, you can use the Disney Public Transportation system. You can't beat that. Used my airplane miles from interviews and got free round trip tickets!!!!

How to save on food? Will share with you some tips:

1) "The Carry-On Breakfast-Snack-Supper Suitcase"
- mini hot water boiler
- brita water filter
- dry chicken soup packages (like the one at the hospital)
- cereal bars, beef jerky, mixed nuts/ dry fruits a-la WALMART style
- my favorite cup of noodles = shin-ramen (a Korean brand)
- instant coffee
- assorted tea bags
- instant creamer, splenda, peanut butter, jelly packages
- assorted crackers (the mini oyster crackers are great in soup!)
- reusable plastic utensils, cup, bowl.

2) Split meals of 1 for 2 people. Disney's portions are HUGE!!!

In the end, a totally doable trip to budget under $100 per day:
$57 - Hotel, Theme Parks Tickets, Transportation
$0 - Airfare
$25 - Food
$10 - Souvenir
$7 - Unexpected Costs
Total = $99/day

Recommended reading: the unofficial guide to disney world and www.mousesavers.com
 
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Aprotos said:
I'm sure there are many programs that were dishonest - so as I mentioned above, don't make YOUR decision on hearsay. I believe this program deserves a little more investigation.
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Clearly, you feel strongly about this. I am sorry that their program has angered you. I would encourage others to make their own evaluations of programs, as you said. I would not let anonymous internet posters influence your decisions about a program. There may be programs that will be less than honest with you about issues, but there are a lot more anonymous internet posters who will be dishonest with you.

Utah won't be on my rank list either.🙂
Especially since I finished residency years ago.

For the record, I have no affiliation or concern for the Utah program. It just troubles me that someone can come on here in the 11th hour and sabotage a program based on second or third hand information.
 
Aprotos said:
I just learned that the University of Utah’s program will terminate any resident who does not perform well on the “in-service exam”! Apparently, there are no questions asked, no chance for remediation, no help from the program, no consideration of the residents clinical performance, just termination for a bad test result. Clearly they care more about numbers than their residents. I am not going to rank a program like that. Just wanted to give others a heads up.
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I REALLY doubt this is true, or even allowable. There are checks and balances in place--every program must have a clinical competency committee in place to periodically evaluate resident performance. The whole purpose of the committee is to provide every avenue of assistance possible to residents in trouble (be it academic, clinical, personal, etc) so that IF a resident gets thrown out and exercises his/her right to grieve the action, the department/committee can prove they did the right thing.
 
What the heck happened to my thread? I thought this was going to be an Obama-ish hopeful positive thread. Well if we are into mud slinging than I heard that all of the programs on my list actually sacrifice the lowest scoring resident on the first inservice exam. They literally cut out your heart and feed on it, and save the last piece for the 50 yo former chair FMG that replaces you.

They didn't say this out right... its just what I heard about every single one of my programs. Must be a coastal thing. 😀
 
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AnesCoord said:
I REALLY doubt this is true, or even allowable. There are checks and balances in place--every program must have a clinical competency committee in place to periodically evaluate resident performance. The whole purpose of the committee is to provide every avenue of assistance possible to residents in trouble (be it academic, clinical, personal, etc) so that IF a resident gets thrown out and exercises his/her right to grieve the action, the department/committee can prove they did the right thing.
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All true. This is what made me very suspicious of the original poster and their information. People outside of the inner workings of a residency program do not always know about what goes on "inside" the program and the reasons why decisions are made. Therefore, this is why I referred to the OP's info as "hearsay." I say that, not to be rude, but to say that most don't know what may go into the decisions to let someone go from a residency spot. They may know that the resident got low ITE scores and assume that was the reason for their release. There may be much more to it that is never revealed to anyone outside the loop because, honestly, it is no one else's business. If it was me that was released from a program, I would not want every issue that ever occurred discussed as dirty laundry around the hospital. Any resident I have ever heard about who was released from any GME program spent at least a six month period on probation (unless it was an egregious act that required immediate dismissal).
For these reasons, I doubt that the original poster has any verifiable or useful information to share. Though, I do agree with the overall message to check out a program thoroughly as you go through the process of interviewing. Asking if a resident has recently left the program and what the circumstances were is a fair question and shows insight.
 
Certified my list on 2/11, have no intention of changing it. It has not changed since I made my first draft at the end of Jan.

Best of luck to the rest of you. :luck:
 
I couldn't agree more - you should never take anything, anyone has to say on this site as gospel. My competitive nature however just wants to help us all find the truth. So if interested -

https://www.acs.utah.edu/uofu/hrs/campus-directory

Just type in the residents last name at the university of Utah you would like to e-mail. Their department is clearly id'd so you don't get a resident on another service. And ask them. Also CALL THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR. He will put a sugary spin on it (but as above, everyones opinion with a grain of salt right?)

My questions
1. Is this a new policy(yes)
2. Was it kept from resident knowledge until recent(yes)
3. Can you be terminated for low ITE exam scores and NOTHING ELSE?(yes)
4. Probation period(don't know)
 
Aprotos said:
https://www.acs.utah.edu/uofu/hrs/campus-directory

Just type in the residents last name at the university of Utah you would like to e-mail. Their department is clearly id'd so you don't get a resident on another service. And ask them. Also CALL THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR. He will put a sugary spin on it (but as above, everyones opinion with a grain of salt right?)
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Seriously, still on the Utah kick, fella? This is the Official 2009 Rank List thread... :idea:
 
Aprotos said:
I couldn't agree more - you should never take anything, anyone has to say on this site as gospel. My competitive nature however just wants to help us all find the truth. So if interested -

https://www.acs.utah.edu/uofu/hrs/campus-directory

Just type in the residents last name at the university of Utah you would like to e-mail. Their department is clearly id'd so you don't get a resident on another service. And ask them. Also CALL THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR. He will put a sugary spin on it (but as above, everyones opinion with a grain of salt right?)

My questions
1. Is this a new policy(yes)
2. Was it kept from resident knowledge until recent(yes)
3. Can you be terminated for low ITE exam scores and NOTHING ELSE?(yes)
4. Probation period(don't know)
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Can You PLEASE start your own thread if you insist on continuing your Utah diatribe.
 
Anyone else get their list finalized? That certification button seems so ......final (even though it isn't).
 
jdovez said:
Anyone else get their list finalized? That certification button seems so ......final (even though it isn't).
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My list is finalized. Will post after the deadline
 
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Aprotos said:
I couldn't agree more - you should never take anything, anyone has to say on this site as gospel. My competitive nature however just wants to help us all find the truth. So if interested -

https://www.acs.utah.edu/uofu/hrs/campus-directory

Just type in the residents last name at the university of Utah you would like to e-mail. Their department is clearly id'd so you don't get a resident on another service. And ask them. Also CALL THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR. He will put a sugary spin on it (but as above, everyones opinion with a grain of salt right?)

My questions
1. Is this a new policy(yes)
2. Was it kept from resident knowledge until recent(yes)
3. Can you be terminated for low ITE exam scores and NOTHING ELSE?(yes)
4. Probation period(don't know)
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i spoke with my friends in the program there and they confirmed that #d stuff from above. everyone was in a high state of cr@pping themselves leading up to the exam. mayb mor than the rest of us. :laugh: seriously though, they said it was a real morale killer for the whole program esp since they didnt find out about the new policy until a few wks b4 the ite. kinda sucky way to do things.
 
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