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Hello everyone. I am a second year who will write the exam in June 2011. Meanwhile let this be a good thread where everyone share their study progress and recent trend of the exam.
Based on... what exactly? Having not made it into FA or UWorld yet? You not knowing the answer?
I don't know the answer but would not be surprised by this question in the least. It doesn't seem particularly difficult to guess at, provided you know basic teeth types and about the body's pattern of innervation (and provided they did not list both contiguous teeth as separate answer choices, that would be unrealistic).
When discussing difficult/esoteric test items with classmates who took the exam the previous year, I was surprised to learn that some of the most bizarre/puzzling questions on my exam had shown up last year and, I assume, could not have been experimental this year. I don't honestly think we as test takers can accurately pick them out. If it's esoteric and not in FA, it may have (1) been removed from previous years for being esoteric, (2) nobody has given FA's authors feedback yet, (3) FA's authors decide to pass on the factoid as being too low-yield, etc. Could go on, but you get the idea.
oh, i found it! thanks, i never would have looked otherwise.Now you can download all the free 150 questions as a PDF from the NBME website, it has the images and an answer key. I didn't see that when I looked earlier, but it was there last week.
Having done UW more times than is healthy, I found that doing them on unused, random would go like so:Ugh this is so frustrating...My numbers on these UWorld tests have been so good for so long (high 70s, low 80s) and now 3 days before my exam I have dropped into the high 60s for two out of my 3 blocks today. Somebody say something encouraging.
Thanks so much guys. Really making me feel better. I went through some of the answers I got wrong and all I have to say is WOW. UWorld is definitely making me overthink some very simple concepts and I just decided to consciously think about not overcomplicating things on the real test. Not every question is going to be try to trick me. Mini-freak out there, but I think I'm past it.
By the way, I see a Cubs logo in the thread. First time I've seen another team logo as an avatar on this site...what is it, Med school attracts fans of losing franchises?![]()
guess you weren't on much in 2008-09 haha. the cubs have been just dismal this year... i used to listen to the games on my iphone while i studied but it's just too sad now.Thanks so much guys. Really making me feel better. I went through some of the answers I got wrong and all I have to say is WOW. UWorld is definitely making me overthink some very simple concepts and I just decided to consciously think about not overcomplicating things on the real test. Not every question is going to be try to trick me. Mini-freak out there, but I think I'm past it.
By the way, I see a Cubs logo in the thread. First time I've seen another team logo as an avatar on this site...what is it, Med school attracts fans of losing franchises?![]()
Just got back from the exam.
Lessons learned:
Exogenous insulin is ravaging our community, while pesky things like heart disease are trivial. Foot anatomy is equally as important as the heart.
The only problems that require medications are AIDS and cancer. Understanding the pharmacology for anything else is worthless, because people don't have those problems. (Except for cough from an ACE-I ) This includes knowing the ideal chemotherapy for super rare cancers that most people will never actually see in their life, but illustrates a random immunopharm point.
While I thought I knew my neuroanatomy pretty well, they like to cluster 6 different choices within a little area of the correct answer to make REALLY sure I know it.
That guy with the ice pick is still on the loose.
Seriously though, I thought the test was very very random, but doable for the most part. I don't feel great or anything and I'm more than positive I made stupid mistakes or overcomplicated things but it was overall what I expected. Yes, there were lots of "What the hell?" type questions, but I honestly don't know how I would've studied for the ones that came up.
As mentioned before, uworld really does do a great job of simulating the interface.
My test was very very immuno heavy, which seems to be a recurring theme. I did have 1 question that was almost verbatim from NBME 12, but just changed what they were asking for. Both versions were easy, so it didn't really matter. The pharm was almost baby town frolics level with the occasional question that asked for a difference that I didn't know existed in the first place. On those questions, I was able to figure out by what it was NOT and at least get it to two answers.
My test was NOT very calculation intensive. I had to calculate the filtration fraction and then a couple of basic stats things.
We had one kid start later than everyone else because the sound wasn't working on his computer. We all felt bad for him when we realized that he still hadn't really started when we were halfway through, but he wanted to take the test today, so he waited around, which I don't really blame him for.
The general flow of my day went something like this:
Woke up at 6:10 a.m. -> Head a headache, so popped some ibuprofen to end that. Did some pushups, showered, packed up my little cooler and made sure I had everything in order. I then did 15 practice questions on uworld just to get the wheels turning a bit.
Swung by panera around 7:15 and picked up a breakfast sandwich and a small coffee (usually go for the large). Drove to the center listening to my own little inspirational songs.
Hurried up and then waited once at the center. Didn't officially start till 8:30 a.m.
Intended to shoot through 2 blocks at first, but decided to pound a little caffeine in between, pee and have something to drink since nerves had my mouth really dry.
Did my two blocks and then pounded a sandwich and chatted with people while having more caffeine.
Two more blocks -> break. At this point I realized that I only had about 6 minutes of total break time left evidently. Did my lightning pee and came back and ripped off the last two.
Just like I expected, it is an odd and somewhat surreal feeling to be done. The day went REALLY fast. I don't have any clue how I performed and honestly wouldn't be surprised if I got a 230 or a 255. Ok, I'd probably be more surprised with the 255, but you get the point.
Study materials/prep:
I got a year long uworld back in September for my bday. I didn't use it that entire time. I probably did about 20% of the questions in the fall semester, usually along with class. The real uworld questions started around spring.
I listened to goljan and DIT audio or every unit. Sundays were my day where I worked through the audio in the correct order. I made a checklist to make sure I hit every lecture. During that time, I TRIED to do about 25 questions a day in addition to school work.
My real studying started around spring break in March. I put a pretty significant amount of time in. Mostly using first aid and rapid review with supplements from various areas. The week AFTER springbreak, I took UWSA 1 and got a 230 estimate.
I then stopped using uworld with about 10+% left. I did all of the pretest question book, most of the NMS question book, a good chunk of the kaplan question book, 6 or 7 blocks from a kaplan step 2 question block and maybe about 200 internal medicine board questions for funsies. I then decided to throw down on kaplan qbank. Did all of that till the second week of May.
I then followed the basic DIT schedule, but without actually using DIT for most of the stuff. Once in a while I'd supplement in kaplan or PASS videos for variety. Really, just focused on doing tons of uworld questions and spent the afternoons reading.
For the last 3 or 4 months, whenever I walked or drove anymore it was goljan or DIT playing about 90% of the time.
The last 6 days of studying were a grind. I did the NBME 7 and 12 on the Thursday. Once done, I started from the beginning of first aid for my final run through. I made flashcards along the way for stuff I didn't feel I knew very well. Whenever I got board, I'd go and do the incorrect and marked questions on uworld. (Only have about 150 incorrect now)
Monday I wrapped up my first aid run through and had a plastic bag full of notecards banded into friggin bricks. Tuesday, I did 2 more blocks and then went somewhere else and just went through those flash cards. I threw away the ones I didn't know. Shut down around 4 p.m. and got groceries, worked out and chilled.
If I had to do it all over again, I might've gotten kaplan qbank first. I hated it overall, but the questions are a little more detail oriented and would've helped me more probably. Other than that, I honestly don't know what else I COULD have done. I sacrificed a LOT to the USMLE gods this semester. I've lost over 20 pounds of mass since the beginning of MS2, chose studying over hanging with a few girls and other social events and just lived and breathed this stuff. I know I didn't fail, but I honestly have no idea what the outcome will be.
You know what? I just want to apologize for my prior posts about FA and state that I agree with fahimaz 100%. After giving it MUCH thought over the weekend, I want to retract my statements. I think FA is a GREAT resource for this exam. After giving it some thought and flipping through FA for some of the questions I know I missed on my exam, I realized that almost EVERYTHING is in FA. After looking these few items up, I totally realized that probably 90-95% of everything is cram-packed into FA in some shape or form..lol. It's funny, I just realized every little nit-picky detail I must have skimmed over was in there! I guess I just skimmed over those small details 🙁 Now I'm kinda wishing I stuck to FA and just went through it 2 more times...maybe those details would've stuck better. Crap, oh well.
Ok, folks. I probably screwed up like an idiot on my test, so don't listen to anything I said before. Plus, I think it was my post-exam nerves getting to me and making me feel less confident about FA. But the truth is, I don't think I studied FA ENOUGH! So go get your FA and memorize the HECK out of it. I'm sure you'll do really well if you just stick with that one resource, which really DOES seem to be the best resource for this exam. I blew it...oh well, what can I do now. Good luck everyone!
Nice job to everyone who got done today. You guys are making my faith in FA come back.
I second that. When is your exam Seeker?
Lots of micro and immuno and path/pathophys. Know your immunopath.
Next Wednesday (6/22). What about you? I am ready to get this thing over with. I just can't study anymore...I start hearing voices in this empty room now and it's just getting creepy.
This Saturday, I'm ready to get it done with. All these months of studying, I'm so done. I'm just doing my last pass of First Aid and then I'm done.
Good luck man. You will kill it!
Just got back from the test. Overall, I'm not too sure how it went because I have no clue as to the scaling (i.e., how many you can miss to get a certain score). If it's like the NBME's and you can only miss 5-6 questions per block to land in the 240's, then I don't think I did that. I marked very liberally, which is making me think I missed more than what I probably did, but I'd say I marked anywhere from 5 to 20 questions per block.
I only saw maybe 3 questions on the whole test where I didn't have a clue what was going on. I'm really glad I didn't look at anything for the 2 days prior to the test; it wouldn't have made a difference based on what I saw today, and I'm glad I was well-rested.
If I had to guess, I'd say that I scored a 230 (95% CI 218-242), which I can live with. As far as what I studied, I made one pass of FA and I made it through the whole UW qbank, then I reviewed 1/2 of my incorrects from UW and re-read 4 sections of FA (biochem, micro, pharm, immuno).
hahah yeah. I got one question that talked about a boy who just got a specific tooth pulled. (like upper left 2nd premolar or something) Then asked if the unnamed nerve that innervated that tooth were damaged while pulling the tooth, which other teeth would be affected. Haha, then it listed combinations of "2nd right incisor, left 1st premolar, etc etc." Ahhh, good times.
Of course, I also got one that described someone with MS, then said a whole paragraph about how she didn't have any other problems at all, then asked which of the following cell/tissue types were most likely affected: is it.... muscle? is it... skin? is it... bone? Or how about... Neurons??? haha. amazing.
Yeah I had a dental question too on my boards, it had something to do with an overbite on someone with deciduous teeth or some nonsense. I was pretty much just staring at it and decided screw it, this one will be thrown out. I feel like they must have made a mistake when putting it on.
They need new ways of maintaining that normal curve.
Once medical schools incorporate dentistry, they are going to incorporate Latin and law school material as well! 👍
Yeah I had a dental question too on my boards, it had something to do with an overbite on someone with deciduous teeth or some nonsense. I was pretty much just staring at it and decided screw it, this one will be thrown out. I feel like they must have made a mistake when putting it on.
That guy with the ice pick is still on the loose.
Having done UW more times than is healthy, I found that doing them on unused, random would go like so:
First 45%: High-yield material that's new to you --> lower score.
Second 45%: Still high-yield, but many, many repeats start showing up if you are observant or do the bank quickly. (I estimate that there are about 600-900 unique concepts in the entire bank, the rest are direct repeats or slightly reconfigured to test knowledge of the same concept.) If you only studied from UWorld, you should expect a 10-20 percentile point increase if you truly master all used questions.
Last 10%: More esoteric facts tend to appear here, for whatever reason. The random question generator is not very random at all. While these facts seem bizarre, they are included because previous test takers give UWorld authors feedback. Of these seemingly "out there" questions, I noticed a good number of related items on the real test.
If you're nearing the end of the bank and doing them on random, the above is probably contributing to your score drop. Don't worry, but don't neglect the facts they're trying to impart, some will definitely appear on the real thing. Good luck!
I'm T-11 days!
I'm SOO NERVOUS!!! I have about 30% of FA left and I'm using my remaining time to plow thru 3 blocks per day. And I'm going to look at FA hopefully 1-2 more passes.
I also wanna check out the Free 150 and maybe NBME 7. I still feel like I haven't learn much as everything seems so free to me. For the past 8 blocks I've been around 68-69%. My overall is a 63%.
What do you guys recommend?!?!?!
I'm weak in anatomy and biochem. Thoughts!?
EDit: I'm also wondering... how much emphasis was place on histology? I recall quite a few UW questions that ask you to name some characteristics of particular parts of the body (e.g. Where are such and such glands found? Or what histological changes occur as you transition from this part of the resp tract to this part...)
Favorite quote, and yes he is. He was on my exam too. That bastard.
I don't even know where they sell ice picks in Florida. There has to be a special store where they sell those and ski masks somewhere around here.
Just the time you use to check if the headphones work, mine were air raid siren loud even at 1!I have a question about the tutorial (I apologize if this has been asked before), but if you elect to do the tutorial - then do you loose the WHOLE 15 minutes? Or only the time you used to check to see if your head phones work?
Of course, I literally had around 12 questions that were direct, "Fair game but not hugely high yield" topics from DIT as well, so who knows.
I took the test today. Predictability my sleep was awful the night before. Started the beast at 7:40 finished at 3:30, did 2 blocks break 2 blocks lunch 2 blocks break 1 block. They started mowing the lawn during my last block!!! WTF! The day felt short all those 12 hours days helped build endurance.
My test was a mixed bag overall, I left feeling ok about it, although the thought of seeing my score makes me want to puke at the moment, waiting is going to be rough. Block 5 right after my lunch break, holy hell I marked at least half of it. There were definitely questions from left field, that I never encountered in board studying or medical school. There was a lot of micro, mostly figure out what the organism was, it wasn't bread and butter stuff some more obscure organism choices or info to base your answer off of. A few pictures of diseased body parts and pick the organism, I had never seen the presentation of 3 of them and didnt know what they were. For my test knowing the biostat equations was very very high yield. I had at least 10 questions where this was critical. At least 5 other calculations too. 3-5 pedigrees. Lots of pics of various things. A decent amount of anatomy, some left field stuff that I had no clue about. Not too many straight biochem questions, a few vitamin qs. A good amount of neuroanatomy with pictures brain stem, spinal cord, and brain. A ton of the up down arrow questions. I was hoping for more behavioral/pysch questions, both were very light. 2 heart sound questions, you needed to listen to figure it out, both were pretty basic. I think I only had a handful of GI questions. A decent amount of immuno. I had several questions based on experimental setups, involving mice, assays, etc that seemed more appropriate for a science phd/masters program than med school. I had more embryology than I was expecting, 5-10 qs.
First aid and uworld had the majority of information that was represented on my test, but I feel like there were plenty of questions that I had no idea what they were talking about. I am not sure where I would have obtained that information, so I don't think I would have studied anything beyond FA and UW if I had to do it all over again(oh god please no). One question that I was clueless about an answer choice was snake venom which I picked because it sounded cool, great reasoning I know. The Interface was exactly like uworld, I loved that fact. Best of luck to everyone.
yup it was all thereCongrats on being done. Were the biostats and eqns covered in FA?
yup it was all there
yup it was all there
are you referring to specifically biochem? how many biochem questions did you have in total?
I think all but 1 could be found in FA.Even the embryo?
Every test is differentCan anyone speak to the amount of antiarrhythmics and/or lipid lowering agents? I hate those😛
Can anyone speak to the amount of antiarrhythmics and/or lipid lowering agents? I hate those😛