**Official Where Should OncDoc Matriculate Thread**

[OncDoc19]

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Well it seems to be working well for Pickles and seraph is goading me on to make one, so here we go. I'm deciding between three great schools and having a really hard time. I tried the seraph method but that didn't work either. Oh, and for those of you who don't know I'm applying for an MD/PhD in the history of medicine. My interest area is history of cancer in the post-WWII period and clinically I am also interested in cancer, potentially radiation oncology (and yes, before you yell at me, I'm not picking a school based on rad onc). So here we go:

Penn

Pros:
1. Large MSTP
2. Have lots of non-trad MSTP students including 2 currently in history of medicine
3. Supportive administration
4. High stipend
5. Relatively inexpensive for a city
6. Can buy a condo
7. 1.5 year pre-clinical curriculum
8. Strong traditional historical training
9. Prestige (both med school and history faculty)
10. Strong research mentorship geared towards traditional historical research
11. J-weezy
12. History of medicine world based mostly on the east coast
13. Research mentors say I should go here
14. New cancer center
15. AMAZING match list
16. Strong Rad Onc Dept
17. Free stethoscope

Cons:
1. Philadelphia
2. No beach or mountains
3. Research mentorship not good for interdisciplinary historical research (public policy focused)
4. Weather
5. No MD/PhD historians on faculty
6. Med school only P/F for the first semester
7. More lecture time than other places (not a fan)


UCLA

Pros:
1. Los Angeles
2. Weather
3. Outdoor activities (beach, skiing, hiking)
4. VERY supportive administration
5. MD/PhD historian on faculty (MSTP director's husband)
6. Strong mentorship for interdisciplinary historical research (better for getting grant money)
7. Relaxed students
8. P/F medical curriculum
9. Strong cancer center
10. MSTP curriculum is very flexible
11. Medical school prestige
12. Very large history faculty
13. History PhD (not history of medicine) - could be better for marketability latter on although Penn's prestige makes up for this I think
14. Strong possibility for personal happiness


Cons:
1. Not as many mentors
2. Expensive
3. Can't afford a condo
4. Less strong for traditional historical research
5. Very weak rad onc dept (though students from UCLA have done well in the rad onc match in the past)
6. No other history MSTP students (but one doing philosophy and they are open to more)
7. No j-weezy
8. History of medicine world is across the country

Wisconsin

Pros:
1. Very good match for my research interests
2. Influential MD/PhD historian on faculty
3. Good mix of traditional and interdisciplinary historical research
4. Strong historical training
5. MSTP has one other history MD/PhD student
6. Inexpensive
7. Can buy a condo or house
8. Closer to family
9. Strong rad onc department
10. Close proximity to history of medicine world and research resources
11. Lots of outdoor activities
12. History department prestige

Cons:
1. Not a big city
2. Cold
3. Med school is focused on primary care not research/academic medicine
4. Regional matches for med students
5. Newer MSTP, someone told me they are "going through some growing pains"
6. MSTP administration is cautiously supportive of me
7. Med school has grades (A/B/C/D) yuck!
8. Med school/MSTP not as prestigious
9. Low stipend
10. No facebook groups where I can waste my free time!



So there we have it. I'm sure there are more things I didn't list. But this looks good enough to at least start a discussion. I'm revisiting all three places in the next month but I want to start thinking things through now. So, thoughts anyone? Thanks!

 

[Picklesali]

😛
Penn FTW

(only b/c I don't know anything about UCLA, and I'm mad at Wisconsin)

 

[Picklesali]

oh, PS

<--trend-setter

 

[Inuranic]

Penn, no question. If LA weren't so expensive, it would be a lot tougher choice.

For me, my decision boiled down to cost of living, and that's what I see with your schools. A lot of the Pros/Cons you listed you can work around or learn to deal with. You cannot work around $1,000 a month for a studio 30 minutes away from school in light-to-moderate traffic.

PENN FTW.

 

[Inuranic]

And by the way, Onc, if you do your dissertation on cancer post-WWII (or whatever it is your historians write), I want to read it.

 

[OncDoc19]

And by the way, Onc, if you do your dissertation on cancer post-WWII (or whatever it is your historians write), I want to read it.

Yes, we do write dissertations which then become books. You really want to read it? Thanks! I hope it's interesting to read....

 

[Inuranic]

Yes, we do write dissertations which then become books. You really want to read it? Thanks! I hope it's interesting to read....

**** yeah I want to read it - I love history, and medicine, and didn't even know you could do an MD-PhD in the history of medicine. It's cancer, how can it not be interesting?

(Well, I suppose you could just spend all your time on some cancer minutia, i.e. 400 pages of telomerase...)

 

[Picklesali]

**** yeah I want to read it - I love history, and medicine, and didn't even know you could do an MD-PhD in the history of medicine. It's cancer, how can it not be interesting?

(Well, I suppose you could just spend all your time on some cancer minutia, i.e. 400 pages of telomerase...)

Dude, telomerase is cool

 

[LunderKind]

You already know my vote is for Penn, but I can maybe address a few of your specific pros and cons...

Penn

Cons:
1. Philadelphia

I don't think people give Philly enough credit...good culture (the Kimmel Center, PMA, Rodin, etc.), history (obvious), food (Stephen Starr is my hero).

Wisconsin

Pros:

6. Inexpensive

From my experience in the interview, current students in the program really misrepresented the cost of living in Madison. It is not that cheap (no, it's not Chicago), but decent apartments close to or on campus are not that inexpensive. The stipend level/cost of living ratio I think is pretty low.

11. Lots of outdoor activities

With boat house row and Fairmount Park, Philly probably has more to offer in the way of outdoor activities. Sailing on Lake Mendota can be nice, but there is rarely enough wind to really get going. Madison is extremely bike friendly though (for the months of the year that one can bike comfortably), so I will give it that.

Cons:

2. Cold

Damn Cold!!

I don't really know anything about UCLA, so I can't comment.

-ives

 

[j-weezy]

Dude, telomerase is cool

QFT

 

[Neuronix]

My goal is not to be a Penn cheerleader, but there's some very wrong things here...

1. Philadelphia

Ahem, what is wrong with Philadelphia? What are you looking for in a city that you can't get here?

BTW, ives, how is Steven Starr your hero? How often are you going to eat at his restaurants on our stipend ?

2. No beach or mountains

?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, I go skiing almost every weekend in the winter. The pocono mountains are an hour and a half away.

The beach is also about an hour and a half away. You don't even need a car. For $6.50 you can get a train all the way there.

6. Med school only P/F for the first semester
7. More lecture time than other places (not a fan)

Agreed there. Many of the lectures are NOT mandatory, though all the sections are and some of the lectures are. This means you have to be there every day, which I think is kind of lame.

 

[LunderKind]

another thing about Philly food...

oh how i desperately miss those fruit trucks

 

[LunderKind]

BTW, ives, how is Steven Starr your hero? How often are you going to eat at his restaurants on our stipend ?

OK, I do concede that...maybe during restaurant week??

 

[OncDoc19]

My goal is not to be a Penn cheerleader, but there's some very wrong things here...




Ahem, what is wrong with Philadelphia? What are you looking for in a city that you can't get here?

BTW, ives, how is Steven Starr your hero? How often are you going to eat at his restaurants on our stipend ?

Well compared to LA I found Philly to be a bit industrial and a little bleak. Westwood (UCLA campus) is just so pretty! The food scene seems good, but the shopping not so good. It seems that a lot of people like West Philly, but as it's been described to me I don't think I would fit in there. I guess I'm looking for someplace with good food, a little older bar scene (less undergrad focused), opera, theater, jazz clubs, but still lots of outdoor activities. I like to run and bike and just took up horseback riding again. I'm not saying Philly is terrible, just that I preferred LA.

?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ok, I go skiing almost every weekend in the winter. The pocono mountains are an hour and a half away.

The beach is also about an hour and a half away. You don't even need a car. For $6.50 you can get a train all the way there.

It seems then that I have had some misinformation. Another student at Penn told me there was not much good skiing to be had. And the beach, yes I realize that there is one, but the beach is 15 min from UCLA so I could go for a few hours in the afternoon. An hour and a half each way is a day trip to the beach.

Agreed there. Many of the lectures are NOT mandatory, though all the sections are and some of the lectures are. This means you have to be there every day, which I think is kind of lame.

Agreed. UCLA is more laid back about lecture. I don't learn from it at all.

 

[Neuronix]

I guess I'm looking for someplace with good food, a little older bar scene (less undergrad focused), opera, theater, jazz clubs, but still lots of outdoor activities. I like to run and bike and just took up horseback riding again. I'm not saying Philly is terrible, just that I preferred LA.

I think you simply got the wrong impression of Philly. Yeah, Philly isn't as pretty and polished as Westwood. It's a much older and more compact city than LA is. However, most of the med students don't live in West Philly. They live in Center City, which is still within walking distance and has a bar scene for people our age (young professionals), plenty of opera, theater, clubs, etc. We're also an easy and cheap ($20-$25 R/T) trip to NYC. I live next to the Schuylkill River Park which merges with Fairmount Park, the largest urban park in the world or some such. I as well as many many others run up and down that park at all hours of the day. For Horseback riding you have to get out of the city a bit (just like LA), but they have world class hunter/jumper and dressage competitions about a half hour from CC in the area around West Chester.

It seems then that I have had some misinformation. Another student at Penn told me there was not much good skiing to be had.

It seems that way. How far is "good skiing" from LA? You can get to better skiing from here in a couple hours if you want to. I usually go an hour and a half to Blue or Camelback, but you can go 2 hours to Elk. Then there's NY mountains like Hunter (~3 hours), and you can go all the way to Vermont if you want.

And the beach, yes I realize that there is one, but the beach is 15 min from UCLA so I could go for a few hours in the afternoon. An hour and a half each way is a day trip to the beach.

Yeah you got me there 😛 We don't exactly have Santa Monica in the backyard 🙂

 

[j-weezy]

I live next to the Schuylkill River Park which merges with Fairmount Park, the largest urban park in the world or some such. I as well as many many others run up and down that park at all hours of the day.

I always thought you lived in the "ghetto" or some other stereotyped less than desirable neighborhood!

I know this is off-topic (and I could always ask you on phillyblog.com) but how long is your commute to campus each day? Do you bike or is it by bus?

thanks!

 

[Neuronix]

I always thought you lived in the "ghetto" or some other stereotyped less than desirable neighborhood!

I live in the highest income zip code in the city (19103--West Rittenhouse Sq) 😀 It's a far nicer neighborhood than where I grew up (most of the time, I moved around a lot). I'm just ghetto-fab. It's like Brittney. You can take her out of the trailor park but you can't take the trailor park out of her. You'd never know it from looking at me though 😛 I'm more of an odd breed of nerd.

I know this is off-topic (and I could always ask you on phillyblog.com) but how long is your commute to campus each day? Do you bike or is it by bus?

And you could always AIM me too (that's true for any of you) 😛

I can walk to campus in under 15 minutes. The med school is an extra 5 minutes. My lab (and many of the other labs like in BRB) is kind of on the south tip of campus, so add another 5 minutes to that. So yeah, 20 minutes to med school, 25 to my lab.

I could bike, but I don't 🙂 I know some who do. There are several bus routes that are very close to my apartment and drop off very close to the medical school and/or lab. The 42 bus goes right by my lab, the 40 goes right by the med school and both have stops within 2 blocks of my apartment. The 21 picks up at the same place as the 40 and 42 and also gets me very close. There's also the trolleys. They get me quite close to lab as well (5 minute walk), though the stops are further from where I live now. I used to commute in every day by trolley from my old apartment (13th and Spruce). The ride was like 15 minutes plus about 10 minutes of total walking.

 

[Inuranic]

Dude, telomerase is cool

Alright, alright. Telomerase is cool. The immune system is boring.

 

[ClarinetGeek]

Wisconsin

Pros:
1. Very good match for my research interests
2. Influential MD/PhD historian on faculty
3. Good mix of traditional and interdisciplinary historical research
4. Strong historical training
5. MSTP has one other history MD/PhD student
6. Inexpensive
7. Can buy a condo or house
8. Closer to family
9. Strong rad onc department
10. Close proximity to history of medicine world and research resources
11. Lots of outdoor activities
12. History department prestige

Cons:
1. Not a big city
2. Cold
3. Med school is focused on primary care not research/academic medicine
4. Regional matches for med students
5. Newer MSTP, someone told me they are "going through some growing pains"
6. MSTP administration is cautiously supportive of me
7. Med school has grades (A/B/C/D) yuck!
8. Med school/MSTP not as prestigious
9. Low stipend

Hey OncDoc,

I figured I stick my two cents into the conversation. (I know know who you are...and you probably can figure who I am if you haven't already...). Anyways, I am UW alum, so I can at speak to the UW and Madison experience. I know nothing about Penn and UCLA, so I can't compare.

I didn't take a History of Medicine course when I was in college, but I know A LOT of undergrads who did. I have always heard great things about courses as well as from individuals who conducted research projects with them. As a non-trad PhD candidate, teaching experiences will be extremely important IMO, because for the rest of your life you will be depended on to teach both at an undergrad and grad level due to the rarity of your degree. Gaining teaching experience in a department that teaches a significant number of student in your field will be quite benefinical, moreso than science PhDs. In terms of HofM, it seems like there are no Cons compared to Penn and UCLA, based on what you states in your lists. I think that that PhD portion of your education should receive the greatest amount of weight in your decision even that means giving up a more prestigious MSTP. (I know thats hard to swallow.)

In terms of the university dynamcis, UW is a great place to be a graduate student from what I have seen. There is a large graduate population on campus (I think more than 11,000 graduate and professional students). It's huge campus with a ton of research going especially in cancer. It is also an extremely collaborative environment and they highly value interdisplinary projects, so you will not be alone in that regard.

In regards to Madison, I absolutely adore Madison. I have never lived in a "big city"; however, I have never heard anyone ever complain that there isn't enough to do. Plus, Chicago is only 2 hours away at most, so weekend trips are easy. There are a ton of bars and restaurants along State Street and throughout the city. There are also a decent number of graduate bars and great places to escape the undergrads. It is an extremely vibrant community. A very politically active and socially conscientious city, Madison is VERY different from the rest of the state in that regard.

Being close to family is a big bonus. Having a close support system is quite helpful. Also, as our families age, it is nice to be able to get home if easily when you need to support your family. I know that has been a huge challenge of some of my friends who are far from home. It can be a big stressor.

In comparison to where you are, Madison is a bit more expensive, but definately cheaper than LA. I have no idea how it compares to Philly. I think it is possible to buy a house or condo, but there aren't as many options for your price range as there are in your current city. The bus system is great. The city is extremely bike friendly and very safe if you are a runner. The Lakeshore path, Pinic Point, and Abouretum are great places to run or bike. You can rent out just about any boat imaginable at the Memorial Union. The Terrace at the MU is a great place to hang out in the summer and have few beers with friends and listen to great music while overlooking the lake.

There is no denying that Madison is cold; however, really there is no difference between where you are now and Madison. If anything, the summers are more pleasant.

I am not sure that I would say that UWHealth is more focused on primary care than academic medicine; however, I don't know much about that.

In regards to the MSTP, they have been a NIH MSTP for 11-12 years now. They have been taking at least 10 students each year for a few years now, and I think they are hoping to increase that. This may be me being a bit bitter, but I do agree they may not run their program as well as they should. So they may be having a few growing pain, but I my guess that they are minor and will not inhibit your experience. They just have some minor organizational issues IMHO, but that is very superifical observation. While the MSTP/SMPH may not be as presitigious as Penn and UCLA, UW as a whole is quite competitive. When I was interviewing for MSTPs, just about every interviewer ask me..."Oh do you know so and so" and "Oh I just love Madison". Everyone seemed to highly respect UW and their research.

With respect to activities, I already mentioned biking, running, and boating (there are more options than just sailing). There are several ski "hills" near by (30-45 minute) drive. I believe that there are number of horse ranches where you can go riding just outside of Madison. Summerfest, which is in Milwaukee every summer, can be an interesting experience. The School of Music has a great Opera Company and amazing Symphony and Chamber Orchestra. I frequented their concerts. The Madison Civic Center has lots of local theatre performances. Tons of Broadway shows and other stage productions make stops in Madison after leaving Chicago. The Kohl Center bring a few big names. The Orpheum has some great shows as well.

Overall from what I know of you, I think you would fit in well at UW and absolutely love Madison. Go to the revisits...get a second an impression, and then just follow your gut. Don't over think it.

Sorry for the long disseration, but I just hate to see Madison and UW go undefended. 😉

PM me if you have any more specific questions.

 

[seraph524]

Dude, telomerase is cool

dude, telomerase requires my protein, hsp90 😉

 

[seraph524]

Personally, I think you would be happy at either location. I think what it may come down to is just personal preference towards the student body or location. I think you and j-weezy will have a blast, so I vote for Penn!

 

[Picklesali]

That settles it. Go to both revisits, and if anyone at UCLA is cooler than J, you should definitely go there.

 

[Inuranic]

dude, telomerase requires my protein, hsp90 😉

I only like proteins with an N-Terminal domain greater than 25 kD. Therefore, I am angry with your protein. 😡

 

[seraph524]

I only like proteins with an N-Terminal domain greater than 25 kD. Therefore, I am angry with your protein. 😡

Well, too bad I work with a N-terminal recombinant construct of Hsp90 that is greater than 25 kD. What now? O_O

 

[Picklesali]

Well, too bad I work with a N-terminal recombinant construct of Hsp90 that is greater than 25 kD. What now? O_O

SDN celebrity death match!

 

[Picklesali]

I wonder which one of you is the moose...

 

[Inuranic]

I wonder which one of you is the moose...

I volunteer, since I live in the boondocks.

Damn recombinant proteins. Never trusted 'em, never will.

Fine, I'll go with my standby whenever I find myself fighting an internet war against a protein - flame-thrower denaturation.

 

[Picklesali]

Hmmmm - I can't think of how one would defend a protein against flame-thrower denaturation....


(This is way better than the Houston, TX tangent on my thread 😀)

 

[Inuranic]

Hmmmm - I can't think of how one would defend a protein against flame-thrower denaturation....


(This is way better than the Houston, TX tangent on my thread 😀)

I really don't know if there is a defense against my flame-thrower. Maybe seraph could make a protein that would cause instant cancer in my trigger finger, thereby rendering me unable to attack her precious baby.

 

[Picklesali]

I really don't know if there is a defense against my flame-thrower. Maybe seraph could make a protein that would cause instant cancer in my trigger finger, thereby rendering me unable to attack her precious baby.

hahahahahahahah

 

[seraph524]

hey!!!!!!!!

 

[Inuranic]

hey!!!!!!!!

Oh ****, I'm sorry man! I keep reading "seraph" and think "sarah". My bad!

 

[Inuranic]

hahahahahahahah

Shutup Pickles...pointing out my ridiculousness...

 

[OncDoc19]

Thanks for the thread hijack guys. Really useful, stuff here. Now the answer is crystal clear...

 

[seraph524]

haha, it was unintentional, i promise

but i still think penn might be the better place for you...it certainly has more of the "english charm" that you probably would like after coming back from england

ucla people will just be looking at you weird with all your punting and polo-riding

i vote for Penn all the way, mainly for reasons outside of academics (since it seems to me that you could go either way in that category)

and im sure j-weezy will be very sad if you didnt go. do you want to make j-weezy sad? i thought not.

 

[seraph524]

That settles it. Go to both revisits, and if anyone at UCLA is cooler than J, you should definitely go there.

Pickles, you're supposed to convince her to go to Penn, not UCLA!

 

[seraph524]

Also, I'm never wrong, so you should listen to me when I say Penn is the right place for you. I told j-weezy she would get into penn despite her disbelief. I predicted el nino and katrina, but Bush didn't listen. I even predicted the plague but the fools in London and France exiled me from the royal court.

And do you want to make Skip angry? He's a scrapper and a mountain climber. He will take you down to china-town if you cross him. The last person who ticked him off was Julius Caesar, and we all know what happened to him. Even Mister T and Chuck Norris bow to Skip Brass. Roundhouse kick *BAM* in the face!

 

[Picklesali]

Pickles, you're supposed to convince her to go to Penn, not UCLA!

I was!! There couldn't possibly be anyone at UCLA who is cooler than jweezy!!

 

[Picklesali]

The last digit of Pi is Chuck Norris. He is the end of all things.

 

[LunderKind]

The last digit of Pi is Chuck Norris. He is the end of all things.

the Ultimate Showdown begs to differ....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ye4mYR878[/youtube]

and Mr. Rodgers is from Pennsylvania...so it's definitely the right choice

 

[Picklesali]

the Ultimate Showdown begs to differ....

[youtube]w8ye4mYR878[/youtube]

and Mr. Rodgers is from Pennsylvania...so it's definitely the right choice

OMG, that's the most amazing thing I've ever seen!

I can't believe Lo Pan made it into the video
(I have strangely loved "Big Trouble in Little China" since I was about 6 years old...it's such a BAD movie)

Must cross post on the Sweet 16 pre-allo thread.

 

[OncDoc19]

Hey OncDoc,

I figured I stick my two cents into the conversation. (I know know who you are...and you probably can figure who I am if you haven't already...). Anyways, I am UW alum, so I can at speak to the UW and Madison experience. I know nothing about Penn and UCLA, so I can't compare.

I do know who you are!

I didn't take a History of Medicine course when I was in college, but I know A LOT of undergrads who did. I have always heard great things about courses as well as from individuals who conducted research projects with them. As a non-trad PhD candidate, teaching experiences will be extremely important IMO, because for the rest of your life you will be depended on to teach both at an undergrad and grad level due to the rarity of your degree. Gaining teaching experience in a department that teaches a significant number of student in your field will be quite benefinical, moreso than science PhDs. In terms of HofM, it seems like there are no Cons compared to Penn and UCLA, based on what you states in your lists. I think that that PhD portion of your education should receive the greatest amount of weight in your decision even that means giving up a more prestigious MSTP. (I know thats hard to swallow.)

You're right this is hard to swallow. It's hard because I know my situation is very different than others' and it's not necessarily true that good school = good research for me. But you have giving me some good things to think about.

Overall from what I know of you, I think you would fit in well at UW and absolutely love Madison. Go to the revisits...get a second an impression, and then just follow your gut. Don't over think it.

Sorry for the long disseration, but I just hate to see Madison and UW go undefended. 😉

PM me if you have any more specific questions.

Thanks for all the UW insight. You have done quite well defending your alma mater. I will definitely let you know if I have any more questions. I'm revisiting in a couple of weeks and hopefully I will get to see a little more of the campus since last time it was a high of -4 (then again it was that cold in Iowa City that weekend too). This winter has made it really hard to think staying in a place that has such harsh winters. To be honest, I am going crazy right now. I just want it to be warm! I'm not a winter person at all. I love to ski, but hate the bitter cold winters in the midwest. You're right that I put up with it now so I would be able to in Madison too. It's just a question of whether I want to given that I have the option of Cali. Ahh the age old question of how important is location...

 

[ClarinetGeek]

I do know who you are!



Thanks for all the UW insight. You have done quite well defending your alma mater. I will definitely let you know if I have any more questions. I'm revisiting in a couple of weeks and hopefully I will get to see a little more of the campus since last time it was a high of -4 (then again it was that cold in Iowa City that weekend too). This winter has made it really hard to think staying in a place that has such harsh winters. To be honest, I am going crazy right now. I just want it to be warm! I'm not a winter person at all. I love to ski, but hate the bitter cold winters in the midwest. You're right that I put up with it now so I would be able to in Madison too. It's just a question of whether I want to given that I have the option of Cali. Ahh the age old question of how important is location...

I figured you could put the clues together easily! 😀 Anyways, Madison isn't exactly the best place to visit when its -4. Hopefully an April visit will be much more pleasant. Madison can be gorgeous with all the trees in bloom during finals. Personally I love seasonal changes. In regards to LA weather...all I can think of is earthquakes and fires. I guess that is just the ignorant, naive Midwest boy inside. Plus LA would scare the sh%t out of me...granted so would Philly! Like Iowa City, I love how easy day to day life is compared to a big hectic city with traffic, etc. It allows me to enjoy life more...

 

[LunderKind]

The Terrace at the MU is a great place to hang out in the summer and have few beers with friends and listen to great music while overlooking the lake.

I second this. The Terrace is definitely pro-worthy (it is probably my favorite place to hang out Madison). Hopefully it will be nice out when you head back to Madison so you can check it out.

However, I have the most severe case of seasonal affective disorder after this ridiculous winter though and sort of wish I had a UC school on my list of choices!

 

[OncDoc19]

However, I have the most severe case of seasonal affective disorder after this ridiculous winter though and sort of wish I had a UC school on my list of choices!

I'm with you. About a week ago it snowed here - lightly mind you - but I actually started tearing up. I can't take it anymore! I need warmth and sunlight!

 

[j-weezy]

I live in the highest income zip code in the city (19103--West Rittenhouse Sq)

so are you in fitler square? i think that's where i want to live - that area is so pretty!

 

[Neuronix]

so are you in fitler square? i think that's where i want to live - that area is so pretty!

Am I in Fitler Square? No, they're very adamant about kicking the bums out. That and you can't even stand on the grass. They fence all the green stuff off.

Anyhow, I live about 2 blocks north of Fitler Square. I'm surrounded by parks it seems. I'm 1 1/2 blocks from the river park, 3 blocks from Rittenhouse sq, etc... It's a nice place, though pricey and parking is next to impossible.

 

[OncDoc19]

Anybody out there want to support UCLA? Everybody loved UCLA in j-weezy's thread. C'mon people I need help here!

 

[Picklesali]

Anybody out there want to support UCLA? Everybody loved UCLA in j-weezy's thread. C'mon people I need help here!

That's b/c J's thread had the qualifier 'if I don't get into Penn'

 

[OncDoc19]

That's b/c J's thread had the qualifier 'if I don't get into Penn'

ohhh snap! Is it really that big of a landslide?