OMFS In Chicago

[garybuseyrulz]

Hi all,

I was just curious, are there any 6 year MD OMFS programs in chicago?? UIC has a program with the optional year added to the standard 4 years, but the other 2 or 3 seem to be 4 years. Is there any particular reason for this?? It seems odd that a city as big as chicago, would only have one program that offers the MD degree.

garybuseyrulz

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[Yah-E]

The American Creditation for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) requires minimum 2 years of Postdoctoral training in the state of Illinois for medical licensure.

See a list of states:

http://www.fsmb.org/usmle_eliinitial.html

I believe one reason for all OMFS programs in the state of Illinois is either a 4-year or 4-year optional is because of this fact. For Illinois OMFS programs to be a 6-year MD program, the programs has to work out an agreement with the hospitals to satisfy the ACGME state requirement which often means more months in General Surgery.

State of CT, for example, is also another state that requires 2 years of postdoctoral training to be licensed. UConn OMFS has more months of General Surgery in comparison to states with only 1-year ACGME requirement to satisfy its 2-year ACGME postdoctoral training to be licensed. See curriculum:

http://sdm.uchc.edu/departments/oralmaxillo/OMFS Website/6yearoverview.htm

I believe the state of Illinois OMFS programs don't want to deal with that so therefore all OMFS programs are 4 years. Now, UIC OMFS you should be very careful! The 4-year option is broken down to:

4 years of OMFS residency first
1 or 2 years of medical schools (I'm not sure if 1 or 2 years to get the MD here)

and then

2 years of postdoctoral training to satisfy the ACGME licensure requirement!

Lets just say it's only one year to get that M.D. degree with UIC OMFS optional option, we're talking about 4 years of OMFS + 1 year for M.D. + 2 years of more postdoctoral training (most likely General Surgery)! Ladies and gents, that's 7 years total to receive a double degree from UIC OMFS.

I talked to a PGY-2 OMFS resident at UIC currently and he stated that the years of UIC offering the M.D. option, rarely do UIC OMFS residents take that offer.

I'm sure some of the OMFS residents on here can shed more light. I'm just a "wannabe"! 19 more days baby!

 

[esclavo]

Hi all,

I was just curious, are there any 6 year MD OMFS programs in chicago?? UIC has a program with the optional year added to the standard 4 years, but the other 2 or 3 seem to be 4 years. Is there any particular reason for this?? It seems odd that a city as big as chicago, would only have one program that offers the MD degree.

garybuseyrulz

Loyola? I think this is a six year OMFS program. I've heard some really good and bad things about this program.

 

[Yah-E]

Loyola? I think this is a six year OMFS program.

Nope, it's a 4-year program, doesn't even have the option to it according to MATCH.

 

[esclavo]

Nope, it's a 4-year program, doesn't even have the option to it according to MATCH.

Thanks. I don't think the best OMFS program in Illinois is in the city of Chicago.... 🙂

 

[GatorDMD]

UIC has one year option and the 2 year post MD is only if you stay in Illinois(can be GS, internal medicine,anesthesia, whatever...). I was told that Northwestern was a prominent OMFS 6 year program some years ago but ran out of state support and funding and collapsed. The residents were left in limbo and the faculty went to UIC, CC and Loyola.

The American Creditation for Graduate Medical Education (ACGME) requires minimum 2 years of Postdoctoral training in the state of Illinois for medical licensure.

See a list of states:

http://www.fsmb.org/usmle_eliinitial.html

I believe one reason for all OMFS programs in the state of Illinois is either a 4-year or 4-year optional is because of this fact. For Illinois OMFS programs to be a 6-year MD program, the programs has to work out an agreement with the hospitals to satisfy the ACGME state requirement which often means more months in General Surgery.

State of CT, for example, is also another state that requires 2 years of postdoctoral training to be licensed. UConn OMFS has more months of General Surgery in comparison to states with only 1-year ACGME requirement to satisfy its 2-year ACGME postdoctoral training to be licensed. See curriculum:

http://sdm.uchc.edu/departments/oralmaxillo/OMFS Website/6yearoverview.htm

I believe the state of Illinois OMFS programs don't want to deal with that so therefore all OMFS programs are 4 years. Now, UIC OMFS you should be very careful! The 4-year option is broken down to:

4 years of OMFS residency first
1 or 2 years of medical schools (I'm not sure if 1 or 2 years to get the MD here)

and then

2 years of postdoctoral training to satisfy the ACGME licensure requirement!

Lets just say it's only one year to get that M.D. degree with UIC OMFS optional option, we're talking about 4 years of OMFS + 1 year for M.D. + 2 years of more postdoctoral training (most likely General Surgery)! Ladies and gents, that's 7 years total to receive a double degree from UIC OMFS.

I talked to a PGY-2 OMFS resident at UIC currently and he stated that the years of UIC offering the M.D. option, rarely do UIC OMFS residents take that offer.

I'm sure some of the OMFS residents on here can shed more light. I'm just a "wannabe"! 19 more days baby!

 

[OMFSCardsFan]

Thanks. I don't think the best OMFS program in Illinois is in the city of Chicago.... 🙂

Neither does anyone who knows anything about OMFS...

 

[burton117]

Thanks. I don't think the best OMFS program in Illinois is in the city of Chicago.... 🙂

so this leaves.. SIU? 😕

 

[Bifid Uvula]

so this leaves.. SIU? 😕

NOPE.... no OMFS program at SIU. But they have a nice implant fellowship.

The best program in Illinois, and probably one of the strongest 4 year programs in the country is a little sleeper program that not many people know of.

I guarantee you that this little program has the sweetest facilities, and probably one of the widest range of experiences from cleft to trauma to head & neck oncology.

Esclavo and I call this place home.

Can u figure it out??????

 

[mtheman]

NOPE.... no OMFS program at SIU. But they have a nice implant fellowship.

The best program in Illinois, and probably one of the strongest 4 year programs in the country is a little sleeper program that not many people know of.

I guarantee you that this little program has the sweetest facilities, and probably one of the widest range of experiences from cleft to trauma to head & neck oncology.

Esclavo and I call this place home.

Can u figure it out??????

Are you guys at Carle Clinic?

 

[burton117]

NOPE.... no OMFS program at SIU. But they have a nice implant fellowship.

The best program in Illinois, and probably one of the strongest 4 year programs in the country is a little sleeper program that not many people know of.

I guarantee you that this little program has the sweetest facilities, and probably one of the widest range of experiences from cleft to trauma to head & neck oncology.

Esclavo and I call this place home.

Can u figure it out??????

NO clue.. I give up..

 

[bitecys]

I know, I know...must be Northern Illinois in DeKalb...home of Cindy Crawford.

 

[NewGuyPerio1]

Esclavo and I call this place home.

Can u figure it out??????

The gay bar?

 

[mtheman]

The gay bar?

I'm in there all the time and never see a short mexican riding a donkey
a.k.a. Bifid Uvula.