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Has anybody heard anything about the OMFS programs at Loyola, UIC, or LIJ? If they're mostly dentoalveolar, trauma, etc? or how good of a program are they (competitive or not)......thanks

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Tufts 08

 

[Yah-E]

Has anybody heard anything about the OMFS programs at Loyola, UIC, or LIJ? If they're mostly dentoalveolar, trauma, etc? or how good of a program are they (competitive or not)......thanks
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Tufts 08

I can help you a little in regards to UIC. I initially had a week externship set up with UIC OMFS only after a 3-week externship at Cook County. Well, after two days at Cook County hearing multiple negative things about UIC, I decided to cancel my one-week externship at UIC OMFS. Initially, I didn't think too much of it because I am not one easily persuade by others' opinion about a program until I had my own experiences, but to hear it from the program's own residents that the program blows repeatedly, dude, that's a problem!

Things I have heard are:

1) no trauma, they cover level II hospital with home-call. Since it's a 4 year program, only 4th years will rotate through Cook County (the major level I trauma hospital in Chicago). Even during their 4th year rotation at Cook County, the Cook County OMFS gets all the great cases

2) Dentoalveolar, again Cook County gets everything since it's a county hospital

3) Program director is super nice, but the Chairman from what I heard is very malignant and condescending towards all residents

If UIC dental school graduates who are Cook County OMFS informed me UIC sucks.....

And if even UIC's own OMFS residents informed me that UIC sucks....

That to me was a sign that UIC may have some problems.

To be fair, UIC may have more dental implants exposure than Cook County since it's affliated with a dental school (more internal referals).

If you're interested in the city of Chicago and you're looking for a solid 4-year dentoalveolar trauma program, then I would highly recommend the OMFS program at John Strogers Cook County Hospital which is literately a block down from UIC OMFS.

If you're interested in the city of Chicago and you're looking for a "country club" program, then UIC may be your taste.

Good luck!

 

[HowsYourFather]

Has anybody heard anything about the OMFS programs at Loyola, UIC, or LIJ? If they're mostly dentoalveolar, trauma, etc? or how good of a program are they (competitive or not)......thanks

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Tufts 08

I saw this post jumped up so I thought I would provide a more current and accurate description of the OMFS program at UIC.

UIC now accepts two 4yr residents and a 6yr MD resident. The tuition for the 6 year spot is paid for by UIC.

1) UIC is still a level 2 trauma center however the UIC program now also covers a level 1 trauma center, Northwestern Hospital. In addition, the UIC residents have not rotated at Cook County since Dr. Miloro took over the program 5+ years ago. The UIC program has plenty of trauma experience covering a Level 1 and a Level 2 hospital in Chicago. Another note, UIC will likely take over facial trauma at Advocate Christ hospital on the south side of Chicago. The busiest trauma hospital in Chicago, more so than Cook County. At that point UIC will be covering two level 1 hospitals and a level 2. Also, both Cook County and UIC currently take home call.

2) From my externship at Cook, they are mostly a point and pull style clinic. This may have changed since I was there. UIC gets the majority of the private pay 3rds cases, the chief residents at UIC did over 600 sedations and the program had over 14,000 outpatient visits. The third years also do 3-6 sedations each every morning. In addition, the chief residents finished residency with over 250 implants each. Being in a dental school they get referrals for thirds, E&B's for Ortho and implants/sinus lifts/bone grafts from Grad Pros. They probably have one of the busiest and most well rounded outpatient clinic experiences in the country.

3) The department chair and the program director are currently the same person, Dr. Michael Miloro DMD, MD, FACS. He started here in 2008 and has continually made changes to improve the program.


- "To be fair, UIC may have more dental implants exposure than Cook County" That is still correct. They do more than most programs in the country and because of this they do more sinus lifts/bone grafts as well. They also do orthognathic surgery(internal referrals from an ortho program with 30+ residents and external referrals), pathology(they treat malignancy while County does not), cosmetics (they have two fellowship trained cosmetic surgeons who do multiple cases per month- facelift, endo brow, cervicoplasty, rhinoplasty, blephs, implants, botox/filler,etc...), TMJ, trigeminal nerve surgery (Dr. Miloro is the editor of the textbook on Trigeminal nerve surgery)...


Good Luck to everyone!

 

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I have a good friend at UIC Prosth who says the UIC OMFS program barely gets any implants. He says that the Prosth program has first dibs on all implants referred by dental students, and will subsequently refer implant cases to UIC only if they don't want the case (which is rare). 250 implants / chief seems like a LOT!!!!

At Loyola, they also said not so good things about UIC. I wonder what the hate is about?

 

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"I have a good friend at UIC Prosth who says the UIC OMFS program barely gets any implants. He says that the Prosth program has first dibs on all implants referred by dental students, and will subsequently refer implant cases to UIC only if they don't want the case (which is rare). 250 implants / chief seems like a LOT!!!!

At Loyola, they also said not so good things about UIC. I wonder what the hate is about?"



As a current UIC OMS resident (and previous UIC dental student), I can say there is no hate against Loyola or County, some of the residents are even friends, OMG!!!

There are so many patients with need in the Chicagoland area that between UIC, Cook County and Loyola there are plenty of patients for all and more. On a day to day basis we don't even think of the other OMS programs (even though County is only a 5 minute walk West of us) because we are so busy. Also, just as an intern I did about 30 implants in clinic- and I was getting the scraps- as the seniors and chiefs were so busy (not including cases I did in the OR or assisted in the OR). By the time you complete residency at UIC an average resident will easily clear 250+ implants.

Prosth residents DO NOT get first dibs on implants, the dental students triage a lot of the simple implant cases (other than those referred directly to the OMS, Perio, or Prosth clinics) and then the student implants are usually split somewhat evenly between those 3 post grad programs for placement. The Prosth residents are not doing the very complex cases (full arch restoration cases, multiple units s/p tumor resection or trauma cases, etc.), they refer those to the OMS clinic. A lot of those big cases are 10+ implants, so the numbers add up quickly. The senior residents do some of these cases if the chiefs are busy.

The Prosth residents do place a fair number of implants (single tooth generally, multiple single tooth, 2-4 unit overdentures, some other select cases), but not the extremely complex reconstruction cases as those cases usually require a trip to the OR or require sedation or require advanced surgical techniques (i.e. major bone grafting like an AICBG) that one does not learn in a Prosth residency. We have a very good relationship with the Prosth department and they love sending us their complex cases (and even work side by side with us taking pictures or trying to give the patient an immediate/temporary restoration if possible) so they can get there restorative requirements completed for complex reconstructive cases, as they are a Prosth and not surgical residency. On average, there are probably 2-3 major cases plus many more simple 1 or 2 implant cases per week completed in OMS from the Prosth department.

Lastly, we also place implants at the Jesse Brown VA and Northwestern Memorial Hospital to add even more numbers.

Not sure of your sources....

 

[HowsYourFather]

I have a good friend at UIC Prosth who says the UIC OMFS program barely gets any implants. He says that the Prosth program has first dibs on all implants referred by dental students, and will subsequently refer implant cases to UIC only if they don't want the case (which is rare). 250 implants / chief seems like a LOT!!!!

At Loyola, they also said not so good things about UIC. I wonder what the hate is about?

Haters gonna hate?... Who knows why people speak poorly of a program they have never experienced 1st hand. I agree with the previous post, I've never personally heard the UIC residents speak about Cook County or Loyola OMFS. Loyola isn't even in Chicago, its in Maywood, IL. I know at least one of the UIC residents is friends with residents at both places and all of the residents attend meetings together in the area.

I know almost all of the prostho residents and the prostho program director at UIC and the current situation is in agreement with the above post by Venantius. The two departments have a great relationship and the residents often hang out together. The dental student implant referrals are for sure split among pros, OMFS, and perio. Its an established agreement within the school. No resident gets first dibs. For Grad Pros cases they can do the surgery themselves or refer to whomever they choose. If they refer, it is usually the more complex cases. Just today in the clinic at UIC two of the OMFS residents placed 4 zygoma implants and 11 nobel active implants for immediate load cases with 2 different grad pros residents restoring the cases.

As far as graduating with 250 implants per chief being a lot...that's only 62 a year over a 4yr residency and just over one implant a week. Today they did 15 between two residents. The chiefs don't do many single tooth implants as those are usually given to 3rd or 1st years. Most chief cases are multiple so 250 is not hard to achieve when you do 5 interforaminal in the mandible and 4-6 in the maxilla. Just one case a week like that is around 500 a year. Even the all on four cases are 8 implants per patient and they do a significant number of those.

 

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Looking for more info on UIC--seems like a lot of great changes over the last decade. Can anyone comment to the amount of OR time the residents get per week? Thanks