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I've heard if you get accepted to the post-bac program at rosalind franklin and do ok the you pretty much can stay for med school too. Don't know if this is true and it means paying 5 years tuition rather than 4, but I would look into that. EVMS has a small postbac program too. so do drexel and georgetown but I don't think they accept a significant percentage of their students to their med school. I'd ask this Q in the post-bac forum. You def would be looking at postbacs where you take classes w/med students, not just a postbac intended to raise your gpa. good luck.
 
lmnop said:
I've heard if you get accepted to the post-bac program at rosalind franklin and do ok the you pretty much can stay for med school too. Don't know if this is true and it means paying 5 years tuition rather than 4, but I would look into that. EVMS has a small postbac program too. so do drexel and georgetown but I don't think they accept a significant percentage of their students to their med school. I'd ask this Q in the post-bac forum. You def would be looking at postbacs where you take classes w/med students, not just a postbac intended to raise your gpa. good luck.
Maybe nursing/PA school or something else entirely is up your alley. The hardest part about admitting defeat is realizing you're defeated.
 
I am really surprised by the unfeeling answers given by a lot of people here. Many have posted responses that are unempathetic and frankly condescending. In my opinion, all is not lost; it seems you really want to do an MD and not in the Caribbean either, so here's what I think you should do:

1.) Your MCAT is clearly what is holding you back. I have known of a person with sub 3.0 GPAs and decent ECs who got into one top 10 medical school (and he wasn't an URM either), solely on the basis of a 43 MCAT. Call up 30-40 medical schools and ask them directly as to how they will treat new MCAT scores. Do they average them? Do they take the best overall score? Do they take the best of each component? If they average them, then you don't have much chance with improving the score at this point.

2.) Whether or not they average them, I suggest you continue your research until two-three months before the MCAT in August. Try to do the best job that you can (publication if possible), but in any case, something substantial that you can talk and write about. You MUST give yourself at least 2 months of prep time before the MCAT,and it must be full time. I am confident that any reasonably intelligent person can score over a 30 on that exam. You can't do any other work, go live with your parents, etc. just figure out a way that you can take off 2 months and study like mad (in the library). You really have to study something like 8 hours a day or more. Get the Princeton Review, Kaplan, AND Examcrackers books and cover all of them. Practicing the passages is crucial. Also crucial are the AAMC 3R-7R exams, as they are the closest to the MCAT.

3.) Right now it may not be too late to apply to a couple of masters programs or solid post-bacs (I honestly don't know about the deadlines). Don't even think about things like the MPH. The Masters of Health Administration is entirely useless and basically a way for them to rip you off. You need a masters in hard science, i.e. biological science, chemistry, physics, or computer science (computational biology). Make sure it has plenty of coursework where you can excel, i.e. it isn't just research.

4.) Apply next spring, i.e. after getting great grades in the master's/postbac and acing the MCAT. Hopefully, by then, one or two of the early bad MCAT scores will have expired, and the average won't be diluted as much. Then, apply to a range of American allopathic schools, DO schools, and European medical schools. tofurious' comments on Eastern European medical schools being Caribbean, is pure junk - I've known quite a number of people who went to them and are now professors at places like Cornell, Yale, etc. Where I go to college, there are two professors at the medical school who went to Semmelweis in Budapest; the chair of Neurobiology at Yale got his MD and PhD in Belgrade.

5.) If you absolutely will not swallow going to Europe, the Caribbean, or DO, then don't apply to these schools. Wait another couple of years (doing research, but you'll be like 28 by then!), waiting for those bad MCAT scores to expire, and apply to allopathic.

Best of luck!
 
basically your mcats are subpar. you may get into DO, which i would strongly recommend doing, because as far as real world practice goes, there are NO differences between MD and DO (though getting certain residencies is more difficult coming from DO). do NOT reapply to MD again without retaking the MCATS. you need at least 9s on all sections to be borderline competitive.

the problem is, there will be more standardized exams that you will have to pass. the fact that you're having such issues with the MCATs is a red flag for future failures.

i mean, verbal, i understand is tough, and really difficult to prepare for.
but chem and bio - i mean, just learn the material. there is no magic, no tricks. just understand the fundamental concepts.

bottom line...if you're set on MD, take princeton review or kaplan intense prep. study your butt off. retake mcats and reapply to both MD and DO schools. cast a WIDE net. i'm talking 30-50. yea it's gonna cost you. but, in the long term med school is SO expensive that the extra 3k you spend on applications won't make much of a difference.

good luck.


omgletmein said:
my stats:
B.S. in Microbiology and Master in Health Administration both from University of Michigan (ann arbor)

AMCAS science UG GPA: 3.14
AMCAS overall UG GPA: 3.34

AMCAS science G GPA: 4.0
AMCAS overall G GPA: 3.7

MCAT taken five times (most recent on top):
(VR) (PS) (WS) (BS)
08 07 N 10
07 08 M 10
05 09 P 10
07 07 N 09
09 08 Q 07

extracirricular activities up the "a"

i applied once after undergrad and then during grad and after grad. And i still didn't get into medical school so i did a year of research and told by professors that it would help me get into Medical School. bunch of bs. nothing is happening. not even an interview.

so, what do i do now???? i'm 24 and after applying to med schools 3 times (more than $5k for apps and 2nd apps, mcats, sunk costs, etc), this is my fourth time and i still haven't even gotten an interview. i talked with every admission dean out there, did the extra crapp and still nothing.

should i apply postbacc? wtf do i do?
 
mfcus said:
People are stating that you have a decnt shat at getting into a DO school or even a european school with your track record are fooling you. RCSI looks VERY heavily at the MCAT. They will tell you other things are more important but really I do not know anyone there with less than a 30, although, their grades sucked with some of them. Also, you probably would have a hard time getting interviews at DO schools. Look at the averages and look to see if you have shown an upward trend in your record. I always was told that if you have a 7 on a section of the MCAT, ADCOMs have a hard time looking past those numbers. Please, do not look at these schools as guarantees because they are not. I wish you the best! You also might want to look at who is writing your LOR.
As far as the OP's track record goes, his recent MCAT of 25 and his cume undergrad gpa of 3.34 are right on par w/ osteopathic averages: http://www.aacom.org/data/advisorupdate/AACOMAS Update_files/frame.htm. Obviously he wouldn't be a shoe-in and his multiple MCAT retakes would be a red flag, but he'd have a better shot (maybe not a very good one) with US osteo than US allo schools.

I did not say that the OP was competitive for RCSI. I was just replying to DelAGator and thought I'd mention that I'm aware of well trained clinicians from RCSI and that it's a school that some prospective physicians should consider. I know one person that went to med school in Ireland (can't remember which one), matched into a solid IM program in the US, finished a fellowship in cardiology, and is now a very successful physician. But to be honest, I don't know the workings of admissions at RCSI. If they look heavily at the MCAT, it wouldn't surprise me. The gist of my post was that there are some foreign medical schools that provide excellent education and similar opportunities to US schools, but are less selective.

And as far as foreign medical schools go, there is great variability in the competitiveness of admissions. People jokingly state that "a pulse" is the prerequisite to get into some Caribbean med schools, but there are also medical schools in Eastern Europe and Asia w/ quite a few US citizens that are also very lax with admissions. So the OP probably could get into a European med school (not necessarily RCSI).
 
omgletmein said:
i just cannot pulling myself to want to apply to DO or caribbean. after all of this, i just feel i have to get the MD. i have thought about the PeaceCorp, but i'm not getting any younger. i would have done it like 3 yrs ago after undergrad. as for postbacc, which one should i even apply? which one would guarantee my admission after that one year? uconn or some chicago school. should i just donate a building to the med school?

Dude, I'm 35 and I start this fall. You are 24. 🙄
 
Sorry to hear about your plight. But the majority of advice that the people here have given is true, you will have to really think about why you want to be a physician and make some tough decisions. The only other advice I can give, that hasn't been stated (as far as I tell) is pursuing other degrees and professions that offer similar rewards as being a physician. If you are interested in psychology, a psychologist is similar to psychiatry and there is ongoing legislation to allow them to prescribe drugs. Similarly pharmacists are slowly gaining more and more responsibility in terms of counseling and prescribing drugs to patients if that is what interests you. Lastly, (and all pre-meds probably hear this in interviews) there is the nurse-practitioner route, similar responsibilites as any MD but with less schooling and greater demand. These aren't the greatest options, but there is a large amount of risk in spending another 2-3 yrs, 4-5 K$ and still not getting in an MD school.
 
sorry for the bad news, but unless your mcat improves, the only way that you'll get into an allopatic program is if you go to the carribean, just make sure you do well and are able to pass the boards and you'll be fine. how are you studying for this test? are you just taking it cold over and over? your scores consistent right around the 24-25 range. theres also two other options if you really really want to go to a domestic school: 1) marry a current medical student - they are lenient into accepting you if your spouse is there; 2) if you know any politicians fairly high in power get them to write a rec letter for you.
P.S. if you really want to become an M.D., the carribean isn't a bad choice.

omgletmein said:
my stats:
B.S. in Microbiology and Master in Health Administration both from University of Michigan (ann arbor)

AMCAS science UG GPA: 3.14
AMCAS overall UG GPA: 3.34

AMCAS science G GPA: 4.0
AMCAS overall G GPA: 3.7

MCAT taken five times (most recent on top):
(VR) (PS) (WS) (BS)
08 07 N 10
07 08 M 10
05 09 P 10
07 07 N 09
09 08 Q 07

extracirricular activities up the "a"

i applied once after undergrad and then during grad and after grad. And i still didn't get into medical school so i did a year of research and told by professors that it would help me get into Medical School. bunch of bs. nothing is happening. not even an interview.

so, what do i do now???? i'm 24 and after applying to med schools 3 times (more than $5k for apps and 2nd apps, mcats, sunk costs, etc), this is my fourth time and i still haven't even gotten an interview. i talked with every admission dean out there, did the extra crapp and still nothing.

should i apply postbacc? wtf do i do?
 
i love when people continue to reply to the OPs message when he stopped posting on this tread quite some time ago...not that he's not listening...but interesting nonetheless
 
chitown82 said:
i love when people continue to reply to the OPs message when he stopped posting on this tread quite some time ago...not that he's not listening...but interesting nonetheless

no, i come back time to time to read people's advice. sorry i don't frequent as often, i am trying to get my act together and get into a MD school. i have not decided what to do yet.

even though most of the advice is repetitive, i thank everyone for their input.
 
I agree completely...
Im applying for my first time this summer, with a low mcat score (retaking in august, applying in june). Im three years out of UG and if isht is going to happen, then its going to happen now...Most advisors will tell you to take another year off, study for the april mcat, then apply in june, but there comes a point in time when you need to realize that the cards will fall wherever they may. Youve taken the test 5 times with little improvement, and med schools (allopathic) will see that as a red flag, no questions asked. Regardless of the research, ECs, recs, etc, the mcat will hold you out-i can say this b/c i am an eternal realist and i know my mcats might hold me out as well.
Heres the question: how badly do you want to be a health care provider? Many people have already commented on this, but if it is your lifes calling to be a doctor, then applying to DO schools should be a no-brainer. What if you take the mcat again, and dont do well? or this time only score a 28? (in my opinion, 28 is a decent score) will you continue to take the test until you get a 30+? Point: you need to live your life and stop killing yourself over this.
 
After applying twice with no love here's what I boiled it down to: Applied to a post-bac and med school in Australia. Got into both. Applied to med after completing the post-bac knowing that if I got no love once again I'd at least be getting my MD SOMEWHERE. My post-bac helped me get an acceptance to the school in which I completed it (thanks, BU!).
 
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