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Hey all,

My school provides a "fellowship" year where students can be fellows in OMM or anatomy between 2nd year and 3rd year. I assume that most (all?) DO schools provide similar positions. As a fellow you get a lot of extra experience in that year that allows you to get better at OMM, teach students, and do research.

My only concern is how residencies view this. Do you know how any of the past fellows from your school have gone on to match? Could doing a fellowship year be viewed as a negative by residencies? I hope that it is clear to residencies that I am not taking an extra year to graduate due to failure, since I am choosing to take a paid position for one year. Would this be clear to them?

thanks!

@Mad Jack @Ibn Alnafis MD would really appreciate advice from you guys since you seem to know it all.
 
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It probably depends on what specialty you want to go into. Obviously if you're applying for FM with OMM focus, this is a huge benefit
 
Cuongoff said:
It probably depends on what specialty you want to go into. Obviously if you're applying for FM with OMM focus, this is a huge benefit
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You also won’t need it to match there.

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It’s not going to look negative. It will be beneficial for OMM hopefuls and at worst neutral for most specialties. The real negatives are that you will miss out a year of attending salary, delay your life another year, and not graduate with your friends. My friend that chose to do to the fellowship kinda regretted it because all the people he shed blood, sweat, and tears with for 2 years moved on and he was left behind.
 
For some ACGME residencies this can be seen as a redflag. You don’t necessarily want to be seen as an OMM fanatic if you are applying to radiology or something.
 
You’re not a fellow, you’re an “OMM scholar”. Don’t use the antiquated term, you will only mislead and confuse people.

It won’t hurt you, but it won’t help much outside of primary care residencies with an osteopathic focus. I guess it could add a bit of fluff to an interview conversation.

Only do it if you have genuine interest.
 
doctorsdatdo said:
For some ACGME residencies this can be seen as a redflag. You don’t necessarily want to be seen as an OMM fanatic if you are applying to radiology or something.
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OMM fellow atvmy school has like 15 rads interviews right now. And the one of the fellows a year before him matched ENT (AOA tho). Idk why but the fellows at my school always match really well lol
 
Purely financially, it is an idiotic decision to pursue. Compound interest from whatever loans you are carrying plus missing out on whatever attending salary is for your desired specialty. That's probably 300k in opportunity cost that year for the average medical student with debt.

Perhaps there are some advantages such as the ability to take USMLE later at a school that has almost no dedicated period due to easy schedule, the ability to conduct real research outside of your OMM workload for the actual field you intend to pursue, and the biggest one, the ability to stay at the decent local rotation anchor site automatically for all of your rotations and not risk going to an awful and distant place in the lottery???

I would never do it, but there appears to be a decent amount of people who don't intend to do FM or OMM that do it for some reason.
 
Neopolymath said:
Perhaps there are some advantages such as the ability to take USMLE later at a school that has almost no dedicated period due to easy schedule, the ability to conduct real research outside of your OMM workload for the actual field you intend to pursue, and the biggest one, the ability to stay at the decent local rotation anchor site automatically for all of your rotations and not risk going to an awful and distant place in the lottery???
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Ding, ding, and ding. Those are all true. I am not doing this strictly from a financial perspective. I am also not doing it solely for the reasons you mentioned, although the reasons you mentioned are important and have been included in my decision process. My point in making this thread was more to just determine if residencies would be familiar with this type of experience on my resume. Thanks for the reply.
 
doctorsdatdo said:
For some ACGME residencies this can be seen as a redflag. You don’t necessarily want to be seen as an OMM fanatic if you are applying to radiology or something.
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One of our classmates did the OMM fellowship and matched into an ACGME radiology program. I was surprised he chose radiology.
 
sunnyk123 said:
Hey all,

My school provides a "fellowship" year where students can be fellows in OMM or anatomy between 2nd year and 3rd year. I assume that most (all?) DO schools provide similar positions. As a fellow you get a lot of extra experience in that year that allows you to get better at OMM, teach students, and do research.

My only concern is how residencies view this. Do you know how any of the past fellows from your school have gone on to match? Could doing a fellowship year be viewed as a negative by residencies? I hope that it is clear to residencies that I am not taking an extra year to graduate due to failure, since I am choosing to take a paid position for one year. Would this be clear to them?

thanks!

@Mad Jack @Ibn Alnafis MD would really appreciate advice from you guys since you seem to know it all.
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It goes as neutral just like an mph, etc. Only do it if you really want to do it. It is important to have good board scores and good passing grades. Some PDs have seem students do this bc they have board or clerckship failures so you should be able to explain that you are not in one of these categories.
 
sunnyk123 said:
Ding, ding, and ding. Those are all true. I am not doing this strictly from a financial perspective. I am also not doing it solely for the reasons you mentioned, although the reasons you mentioned are important and have been included in my decision process. My point in making this thread was more to just determine if residencies would be familiar with this type of experience on my resume. Thanks for the reply.
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Be careful with pushing back to give more time to study. Fellowship at some schools is surprisingly time consuming and you’ll be amazed at how much you manage to forget during the year, even while actively studying. I know fellows who were solid students and failed their step and said they burned out trying to hold onto everything they learned their first two years and prepare for step.
 
a lot of people use it as just a year to do research, except now you're also getting paid in addition get some of your tuition for free too. Because of that, a good amount of OMM fellows used it to get into fields like gen surg, urology, ENT, moreso than just going into FM
 
Just doing the year won't help you. The people who do it and then go on to match competitively are the ones who did it more as a research year and did research in a competitive field during the time off.
 
It’s a massive waste of time and money. Considered a joke by nearly everyone, MD and DO alike.
 
There is some horrible advice on this thread and many replies are black and white.

I know which OMM fellowship you are referring to. Every fellow the last two years has matched into competitive specialties (from ENT to ACGME urology and surgery at big places). It depends on what you do with your time during the fellowship. If you "just do the fellowship," thats not going to look as good as someone who makes good use of their time and publishes and teaches and makes connections. The OMM fellows every year say that they were ALL asked about the fellowship and programs were impressed because it brought something different to their program that other other applicants didn't have. Wether you believe this or not, that is coming straight from the applicants that completed the fellowship and most match competitively. Whether this is because of the fellowship itself or because of the research, etc is up for debate.

The anatomy fellowship had people match ACGME plastics, ortho, ENT, etc. The extra year gives you time to gain teaching experience, get a lot of research (publications and conferences), make huge connections with docs in your desired specialty, and really nail down your anatomy and surgical skills (extra surgical classes are taken). If you do want to postpone your USMLE, this is possible as this is what I did. I suggest people don't knock certain programs before finding out more information about the program.
 
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My school didn't have this. But I have a feeling schools only invite top students to be "OMM scholars" or whatever they're called, so they're probably capable of matching into surg/ENT/rads with or without the fellowship and are doing it for other benefits, whatever those might be (more study time, more research time, short term increase in cash flow, "break" before rotations for personal reasons, actual interest in OMM, actual interest in teaching, etc).
 
ortnakas said:
My school didn't have this. But I have a feeling schools only invite top students to be "OMM scholars" or whatever they're called, so they're probably capable of matching into surg/ENT/rads with or without the fellowship and are doing it for other benefits, whatever those might be (more study time, more research time, short term increase in cash flow, "break" before rotations for personal reasons, actual interest in OMM, actual interest in teaching, etc).
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Nah fam. My school chooses the most zealot students
 
SynapticDoctah said:
There is some horrible advice on this thread and many replies are black and white.

I know which OMM fellowship you are referring to. Every fellow the last two years has matched into competitive specialties (from ENT to ACGME urology and surgery at big places). It depends on what you do with your time during the fellowship. If you "just do the fellowship," thats not going to look as good as someone who makes good use of their time and publishes and teaches and makes connections. The OMM fellows every year say that they were ALL asked about the fellowship and programs were impressed because it brought something different to their program that other other applicants didn't have. Wether you believe this or not, that is coming straight from the applicants that completed the fellowship and most match competitively. Whether this is because of the fellowship itself or because of the research, etc is up for debate.

The anatomy fellowship had people match ACGME plastics, ortho, ENT, etc. The extra year gives you time to gain teaching experience, get a lot of research (publications and conferences), make huge connections with docs in your desired specialty, and really nail down your anatomy and surgical skills (extra surgical classes are taken). If you do want to postpone your USMLE, this is possible as this is what I did. I suggest people don't knock certain programs before finding out more information about the program.
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Good for that program. They work hard at my school. Not much time for anything else and they tend to match family, internal, peds, EM.
A friend of mine 2nd year after the match told they regretted it. That there were very few interviews it was even brought up on and that she feels like she wasted her time.
 
samac said:
Good for that program. They work hard at my school. Not much time for anything else and they tend to match family, internal, peds, EM.
A friend of mine 2nd year after the match told they regretted it. That there were very few interviews it was even brought up on and that she feels like she wasted her time.
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Maybe it has more to do with the students then who enter the program rather than the actual program itself.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Knowing what school you go to I think your OMM fellowship is different than it is at other schools. The more rural schools that have OMM fellowships tend to actually be super OMM heavy and that's about it.
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The OMM fellowship at my school was an anatomy and OMM fellowship where you teach in the anatomy lab for six months and teach in the OMM and clinical skills labs for the other six months. Our fellows got one year of tuition paid for, had a lot of research opportunities, had extra time for the boards, and got paid a stipend that was enough to live off of in the area. They all match very well of the ones I knew, which is largely due to the combination of teaching experience, increased board scores, the motivated qualities of the fellows themselves, and the research opportunities the extra year presented no doubt. The downsides are as previously mentioned, you lose a year of attending salary, you go into the match a year later, you have to spend another year on campus, and for many residencies the fellowship will likely be of little value in and of itself
 
To give you a little different perspective, I'm going to be doing the fellowship at my school. We do it between the 3rd and 4th years, which I'm a little nervous about, but they do let us rotate at our "loosely" affiliated hospital in whatever specialty we want on our off-days, so that we can keep our clinical skills solid. I'm also somewhere near the top of my class both preclinically and on boards (660s, 240s), with honors in every rotation so far, so not a bad student and certainly not an OMM fanatic.

At my school they pay for 1 years tuition, give a $30k living stipend during the fellowship, and we get 1st pick to any rotation site we want, which is a big deal here because some usually require an application and interview, and the good sites are so competitive people have panic attacks during the lottery.

During the actual fellowship we teach both anatomy and the OMM lab, while doing a bunch of mandatory clinical volunteering in the community (OMT clinic, sports physicals for the undergrad, community health fairs, etc). While not all of them do it, the smart ones use it as a year to really prepare for auditions and research residencies thoroughly, get some research in, and network (they pay for us to attend conferences). One of last year's fellows used 2 months of his time to leave and work on a research project, but he's a top student so the school couldn't exactly fire him since he's making them look good. Another has had to take most of his time off this year because he's already gone on 20+ interviews. I can't vouch for what specialty but if you're going to knock primary care, which is what you told your interviewer you wanted to go into anyways, then you're part of the problem. Not that I plan on going into Family Med, but hearing **** talk about those who go into it is really getting old at this point so I'll vent for a second here.

Overall it's really not much different than a dedicated research year. Maybe a little worse because you can't do research the whole year, maybe a little better because you actually get a decent living stipend. As for missing out on an attendings salary and graduating a year late, if you think about how much you're saving in interest on a full years tuition, plus living stipend, the fellowship is really worth ~100k.
 
SynapticDoctah said:
If an extra year and loss of salary gets you into your specialty of choice, who cares.
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I would argue that an actual research year is probably better than most DO schools OMM fellowship. For instance if you did a fellowship at my school, you would be in a rural location at least an hour from any real research opportunities. The faculty have some bench stuff, but it doesn't seem like its going anywhere according to the people who are working with them. Plus the teaching demands are pretty heavy and near full time level. And the living stipend is like 20k, so all the people I know in ours had their spouse working or were rooming with other students.

I think if you could get an actual research year at an institute that connected you with faculty who were actually publishing and not perishing that would be alot better. I realize this is very school dependent, and the guys in the fellowship definitely did generally have more time for boards, but at least at my program the research was still a self starter, and the demands were fairly high on the fellows. Of the three years of fellows who I interacted with, most that were happy had alternative reason for being fellows (i.e. significant others in class below, baby's, spouse job issues etc). They also tended to be going for family med.

The ones who did it straight up with higher aspirations seem to have been a bit jaded. And I can't blame them, who wants kids calling you at 1030pm the night before an OMM practical freaking out about whats coming. Also at my school there was no 'first choice' of rotation spots, they got sent were they originally went in the lottery, and I know at least one fellow who had a malignant site that never fills to capacity and still had to go there. That sucks.

So count me with MadJack, I think you carefully consider before going in. If you want it exclusively to get into a difficult field, I would shoot for a research year instead. If you just wanted it to save on tuition and give yourself some extra time for boards while learning more OMT, than go ahead. Especially if your faculty are of the true believer variety, these things can be more demanding on the actual OMM side than you expect.
 
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BorntobeDO? said:
I would argue that an actual research year is probably better than most DO schools OMM fellowship. For instance if you did a fellowship at my school, you would be in a rural location at least an hour from any real research opportunities. The faculty have some bench stuff, but it doesn't seem like its going anywhere according to the people who are working with them. Plus the teaching demands are pretty heavy and near full time level. And the living stipend is like 20k, so all the people I know in ours had their spouse working or were rooming with other students.

I think if you could get an actual research year at an institute that connected you with faculty who were actually publishing and not perishing that would be alot better. I realize this is very school dependent, and the guys in the fellowship definitely did generally have more time for boards, but at least at my program the research was still a self starter, and the demands were fairly high on the fellows. Of the three years of fellows who I interacted with, most that were happy had alternative reason for being fellows (i.e. significant others in class below, baby's, spouse job issues etc). They also tended to be going for family med.

The ones who did it straight up with higher aspirations seem to have been a bit jaded. And I can't blame them, who wants kids calling you at 1030pm the night before an OMM practical freaking out about whats coming. Also at my school there was no 'first choice' of rotation spots, they got sent were they originally went in the lottery, and I know at least one fellow who had a malignant site that never fills to capacity and still had to go there. That sucks.

So count me with MadJack, I think you carefully consider before going in. If you want it exclusively to get into a difficult field, I would shoot for a research year instead. If you just wanted it to save on tuition and give yourself some extra time for boards while learning more OMT, than go ahead. Especially if your faculty are of the true believer variety, these things can be more demanding on the actual OMM side than you expect.
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I’ll echo this. The OP asked about OMM fellowship not a research or anatomy fellowship. The people who did it at my school did so for personal reasons or to take another year to study for step 1( not sure who could study for one test an entire year nor is it needed but ok).

Nobody but NMM people or maybe AOA family med residencies will care if you did an OMM fellowships unless you used the time for side research and even then the OP asked about OMM fellowships themselves NOT doing things in addition
STRONG students got xYz residency for being a strong student. Nobody matches ENT for lmfao doing an OMM fellowship. Give me a break. Anatomy might help but OMM lol no

TLDR.

In and of itself unless for personal reasons or if you love OMM it’s a waste of time.

Anatomy fellowship might be worth it esp w research.


Personally you would have to pay me 400k to work with (slave away for) the instructors at my school. 20k stipend? Ok I’ll go stock shelves at Walmart and make more. Literally that’s half as much as we get in living loans so you won’t be living very well on 1500 a month but it is doable

Now if your school (unlike mine) actually does legit research opportunities for students like it should then go for it
 
Totally agree with the above posters...and that's why I said that if you just do the OMM fellowship it's not gonna help much. It's really the research and connections you make that are going to make a difference in how much it benefits you. Thing is, as a D.O. student, it's difficult to find the time to search out research since most D.O. schools don't have an affiliated hospital. That said, the extra year really lends itself nicely to being able to spend that time looking into research opportunities and getting something published, which, if you are trying to land a competitive residency, could make a huge difference. I am not knocking FM when I say this, but I wouldn't do the fellowship if I wanted to go into FM, peds, etc because it's not needed. You will match into these specialties with/without the fellowship, so spending a year and $300+ salary, IMO, is a waste. But if you are wanting something competitive (ENT, NS, ortho, etc), spending that year publishing, making good connections with docs in your desired specialty and PD at programs you're interested in, networking at conferences and getting some teaching under your belt is really going to help.

Especially as a D.O. student, research is going to become much more important in these coming years with the merger. The PDs I have spoken to in my desired specialty say that they didn't really used to care about it much, but now it's a huge deal. Probably 85-90% of D.O. applicants (not sure of exact number) have ZERO research. No pubs, posters, or conferences. Nothing. So you taking an extra year to separate yourself by getting good research REALLY places your application ahead of the pack. This is straight from the mouth of PDs.

Back to the OP though, it's really what you do with the year. From what I have seen from the two fellowships at my school (OMM/anatomy), it's worth it if you want a competitive specialty, but not if you can match without it.
 
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SynapticDoctah said:
Totally agree with the above posters...and that's why I said that if you just do the OMM fellowship it's not gonna help much. It's really the research and connections you make that are going to make a difference in how much it benefits you. Thing is, as a D.O. student, it's difficult to find the time to search out research since most D.O. schools don't have an affiliated hospital. That said, the extra year really lends itself nicely to being able to spend that time looking into research opportunities and getting something published, which, if you are trying to land a competitive residency, could make a huge difference. I am not knocking FM when I say this, but I wouldn't do the fellowship if I wanted to go into FM, peds, etc because it's not needed. You will match into these specialties with/without the fellowship, so spending a year and $300+ salary, IMO, is a waste. But if you are wanting something competitive (ENT, NS, ortho, etc), spending that year publishing, making good connections with docs in your desired specialty and PD at programs you're interested in, networking at conferences and getting some teaching under your belt is really going to help.

Especially as a D.O. student, research is going to become much more important in these coming years with the merger. The PDs I have spoken to in my desired specialty say that they didn't really used to care about it much, but now it's a huge deal. Probably 85-90% of D.O. applicants (not sure of exact number) have ZERO research. No pubs, posters, or conferences. Nothing. So you taking an extra year to separate yourself by getting good research REALLY places your application ahead of the pack. This is straight from the mouth of PDs.

Back to the OP though, it's really what you do with the year. From what I have seen from the two fellowships at my school (OMM/anatomy), it's worth it if you want a competitive specialty, but not if you can match without it.
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Lol that sucks if pds start wanting research from DOs. So much harder to chase down when your school doesn’t have much to do research wise. Just another nip in the bud for DOs wanting to do competitive stuff

Goes to show it’s better to wait a year and matriculate into an MD program than to have to sit out a year to get that extra research during mid school. At least for people who want Uber competitive stuff. Settling for DO programs gonna suck come ten years down
 
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Lol that sucks if pds start wanting research from DOs. So much harder to chase down when your school doesn’t have much to do research wise. Just another nip in the bud for DOs wanting to do competitive stuff

Goes to show it’s better to wait a year and matriculate into an MD program than to have to sit out a year to get that extra research during mid school. At least for people who want Uber competitive stuff. Settling for DO programs gonna suck come ten years down
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I agree. However, think about it this way. Many PDs are still going to favor D.O. applicants (unless they are pressured into taking M.D. students, which I have heard MAY be the case at some places. Like they may have to take 1 M.D. and 2 D.O. applicants). With that said, most D.O. applicants still won't have research, so you still have a good shot. I am just saying that if you DO have research, it will easily set you apart because of the lack of research on the D.O. side. It's kinda crazy to me how oblivious most students are outside of SDN. For example, I know at least 3 applicants with 700+, 250+ scores and were blindsided when they were told they should have done some type of research and were scrambling. I don't think many students do enough online research on what it takes and just believe whatever the school tells them which places them in a bad place.
 
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Lol that sucks if pds start wanting research from DOs
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In the competitive specialties they already do, and I am talking AOA programs. They have to have certain research output now with ACGME and it is much easier for a resident to do that if they have good research experience before medical school. It absolutely is now something you essentially have to have if you are applying to a competitive field.
 
Yeah our school doesn’t have much. Only people who really got any from this school are ones who did a masters program (to get into med school). The downside is most of them are weak applicants anyway so even tho they have research it’s not enough. Otherwise it’s mostly posters in third year that people from my school do. we might have a few dozen who think they have legit research, then maybe 10 with good med school research that actually matters.
Glad I’m going subspec IM and can do the research needed for xyz fellowship in residency on a level playing field lol
 
SynapticDoctah said:
I don't think many students do enough online research on what it takes and just believe whatever the school tells them which places them in a bad place.
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I was straight up shocked by how naive most medical students are about a lot of things. I think this is possible because the average DO student can still just meander through school and match without repercussions. There is a lot of "well this worked for me so it's obviously ok for everyone" going on with advice from more senior students at my school. It was something I was lucky enough to be told to avoid by successful students I knew.
 
Our school gave us a lecture on why primary care is great and to get ahold of alumni but I don’t think they ever mentioned the PD survey or other great resources on NRMP. Assuming most DO schools don’t bc we get people on here all the time asking if they can match with whatever they got.

Our placement rate first time ever wasn’t 100% I think this year so school was stepping it up on some stuff but why wait until shyt hits the fan.


Oh wait, the DO motto is charge the most for the least effort my bad forgot
 
Neopolymath said:
I was straight up shocked by how naive most medical students are about a lot of things. I think this is possible because the average DO student can still just meander through school and match without repercussions. There is a lot of "well this worked for me so it's obviously ok for everyone" going on with advice from more senior students at my school. It was something I was lucky enough to be told to avoid by successful students I knew.
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This has been the single most shocking thing to me since starting medical school. I've conversed with third years who are oblivious about how the match works and what they should be doing. I can't imagine rolling through this blindly, just hoping it'll all work out.
 
fldoctorgirl said:
This has been the single most shocking thing to me since starting medical school. I've conversed with third years who are oblivious about how the match works and what they should be doing. I can't imagine rolling through this blindly, just hoping it'll all work out.
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This is why it is important not to judge yourself against other DO students and rest on your laurels. 25% of any one class probably shouldn't even be in med school and a good chunk of the rest of the class are scrubs. Seems like DO students in the top quartile think they are safe just because they are doing better than subpar competition. Gotta be like an MD if you want to compete with them.
 
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Neopolymath said:
This is why it is important not to judge yourself against other DO students and rest on your laurels. 25% of any one class probably shouldn't even be in med school and a good chunk of the rest of the classes are scrubs. Seems like DO students in the top quartile think they are safe just because they are doing better than subpar competition. Gotta be like an MD if you want to compete with them.
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Yep. Literally the only people I use as measuring sticks are the people that have matched competitive specialties recently (i.e. interns) or the 3rd/4th years that I know for a fact are in the loop and are well on their way to matching very competitively. Oh and my MD friend who is a baller interviewing for a competitive surgical sub right now.
 
Neopolymath said:
This is why it is important not to judge yourself against other DO students and rest on your laurels. 25% of any one class probably shouldn't even be in med school and a good chunk of the rest of the classes are scrubs. Seems like DO students in the top quartile think they are safe just because they are doing better than subpar competition. Gotta be like an MD if you want to compete with them.
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EXACTLY.
 
NecFasc92 said:
You sound like a total t.ool. Maybe one day you'll get your head out of your proverbial and realize that, as a med student, you can't judge who will make a good physician. Some of the best physicians I know were at the bottom of their respective class and some of the worst were at the top.

Make some reflection is needed so that you don't become the latter.
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Maybe you should consider that we were specifically speaking about academic achievement required to match competitively and not about the glaringly obvious fact that it doesn't take a genius to become a safe, competent physician of pretty much any specialty. There is data on this (NRMP duh) and it isn't something one can't comprehend before they are a resident or attending. No one said they are too stupid to be perfectly fine doctors. Unfortunately, the process has decoupled the idea of becoming a good physician and doing well in school (and consequently matching competitively) at this point and obviously the grades are the first and most important roadblock to success. I agree that it's out of hand

edit: not even going to bother
 
More power to the people who want to do it. All of ours are all very good, and not just at omm. Just pretty solid students in general who happen to enjoy omm for whatever reason.

As to the comments by those saying that most of DO classes shouldn’t be in school or are inferior students: I’m pretty sure the MD side of things determined that all of us aren’t cut out for med school. So I’m not sure where the superiority complex is coming from. I’ll agree that there’s some rather oblivious students out there. But is it really necessary to trash literally half of DO students bc they’re not gunning for ridiculously competitive specialties? How does it make you look having the same degree from the same institution as that so-called “trash”?
 
Ho0v-man said:
More power to the people who want to do it. All of ours are all very good, and not just at omm. Just pretty solid students in general who happen to enjoy omm for whatever reason.

As to the comments by those saying that most of DO classes shouldn’t be in school or are inferior students: I’m pretty sure the MD side of things determined that all of us aren’t cut out for med school. So I’m not sure where the superiority complex is coming from. I’ll agree that there’s some rather oblivious students out there. But is it really necessary to trash literally half of DO students bc they’re not gunning for ridiculously competitive specialties? How does it make you look having the same degree from the same institution as that so-called “trash”?
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I’m not saying that they are trash at all. I am totally aware that most (if not all) students who were accepted into medical school will be great doctors and make patients lives better.
That being said , I do agree that if you are competing with MDs for competitive residency positions, you should try to compare with the students near the upper half of the class.

Someone who is 50%tile in a DO class isn’t going to have as competitive of application as a 50%tile from Harvard. This is obviously extreme, but it makes the point.

I feel like these comments were made in relation to many med students being ill informed and thinking that since they are doing well relative to their DO counterparts this will mean they are as competitive pitted against MD students in the match.
 
SynapticDoctah said:
I’m not saying that they are trash at all. I am totally aware that most (if not all) students who were accepted into medical school will be great doctors and make patients lives better.
That being said , I do agree that if you are competing with MDs for competitive residency positions, you should try to compare with the students near the upper half of the class.

Someone who is 50%tile in a DO class isn’t going to have as competitive of application as a 50%tile from Harvard. This is obviously extreme, but it makes the point.

I feel like these comments were made in relation to many med students being ill informed and thinking that since they are doing well relative to their DO counterparts this will mean they are as competitive pitted against MD students in the match.
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This is much more in line with reality. At the same time, I don’t think that everyone (or even most) in the bottom half of a DO class is necessarily gunning for astrodermatological neurosurgery or whatever.

Sorry I got triggered lol. But I think it looks pretty bad when you have a bunch of DO students all agreeing with the absurd idea that getting a decent med student out of a DO school is basically a coin toss. It only serves to make us look worse.
 
Ho0v-man said:
This is much more in line with reality. At the same time, I don’t think that everyone (or even most) in the bottom half of a DO class is necessarily gunning for astrodermatological neurosurgery or whatever.

Sorry I got triggered lol. But I think it looks pretty bad when you have a bunch of DO students all agreeing with the absurd idea that getting a decent med student out of a DO school is basically a coin toss. It only serves to make us look worse.
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Haha no I don’t think that at all. It did come across like that though so I apologize
 
Ho0v-man said:
This is much more in line with reality. At the same time, I don’t think that everyone (or even most) in the bottom half of a DO class is necessarily gunning for astrodermatological neurosurgery or whatever.

Sorry I got triggered lol. But I think it looks pretty bad when you have a bunch of DO students all agreeing with the absurd idea that getting a decent med student out of a DO school is basically a coin toss. It only serves to make us look worse.
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First to do neurosurgery on mars
 
Yes, please do this if you want to keep promoting pseudoscience as medicine. I hear pseudoscience is all the rage here in America.

You couldn't pay me enough to dance around and lie to eager pre-clinical students about the sacrum or chapman's points. Move on to something real and let OMM be the historical relic it is.
 
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