"OMM fellow"?

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Am I the only one who got multiple DO accepts without ever selling myself on FM? In fact, I never mentioned it and it did not come up once.
Nah, never mentioned FM. I was just honest and said I didn't really know what I wanted to do yet, but was interested in OB (still am) or cardio (not really anymore lol) but was open to everything (still am-- might end up falling in love with FM for all I know). The point is, I don't think your answer to this question matters so much because the truth of the matter is most of us have no idea what we will like come 3rd/4th year and your board scores will more than likely determine what you can do anyways lol
 
I straight up said I wasn’t going to do outpatient medicine at my interview at my current school which is extremely PC heavy. Maybe they thought they could beat it out of me. Nope. Still won’t do it lol
Just wait for the mandatory outpatient primary care rotations. They will try to make it difficult on you, don't accept it.
 
Give some examples, friend.
My school has two of these, one in 4th year. But I found the solution, get a guy who does both out and inpatient medicine (rural hospitals this is common), then say you really would like to focus on impatient to work on your SOAP notes etc. I spent almost all of my 'outpatient' primary care selective doing inpatient. I intend to never do an outpatient primary care again after peds.

Talk to the students ahead of you, you can find out who has this kind of setup.

As far as my comment about making it difficult, my school gave me a heck of a time over getting a selective. They had a ton of restrictions, and I couldn't get them to approve anything. It ended up working out fine and I am happy with the solution (see above), but I had to burn an elective to do a rotation with a doc I wanted for my selective just cause he was inpatient only despite being 'primary care.' The good news is I have done 2 inpatient medicine rotations, and I haven't even hit IM yet. I am the SOAP king baby!
 
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My school has two of these, one in 4th year. But I found the solution, get a guy who does both out and inpatient medicine (rural hospitals this is common), then say you really would like to focus on impatient to work on your SOAP notes etc. I spent almost all of my 'outpatient' primary care selective doing inpatient. I intend to never do an outpatient primary care again after peds.

Talk to the students ahead of you, you can find out who has this kind of setup.

As far as my comment about making it difficult, my school gave me a heck of a time over getting a selective. They had a ton of restrictions, and I couldn't get them to approve anything. It ended up working out fine and I am happy with the solution (see above), but I had to burn an elective to do a rotation with a doc I wanted for my selective just cause he was inpatient only despite being 'primary care.' The good news is I have done 2 impatient medicine rotations, and I haven't even hit IM yet. I am the SOAP king baby!

Hopefully you aren’t the “soap king” after match day. 😉

Jk jk had to say it
 
Just wait for the mandatory outpatient primary care rotations. They will try to make it difficult on you, don't accept it.

Oh I’m already bracing myself. We have more than a few random clinic rotations. We have FM with a residency, OMM, and then a rural medicine month. Oh and community hospital months. 🙄 The plus side is that we have a good amount of electives, the IM and surgery rotations at our medical center are money (they suck because the attendings and residents beat the crap out of you but you learn a ton, reports from 4th years are that you more than prepared for auditions/aways), and we can take a vacation month AND a research month and if you plan your schedule right you can have a solid amount of time to prep for Step 2.
 
Hopefully you aren’t the “soap king” after match day. 😉

Jk jk had to say it
I love it! Hey I would rather be the SOAP king after match than the guy who doesn't place. It won't happen, but if anyone will be ready for the SOAP its gonna be me. I already know which places I will be reaching out to, and will be watching closely how this years match goes as well.

Its getting serious out there. I encourage all 2nd years to go and read last years SOAP thread when your feeling lazy. Might change your mood.
 
It all boils down to personality and what kind of **** sandwich you can stomach.
exactly. Well visits kind of drive me bonkers. I can deal with sick, but don't make me deal with the 'healthy' who are anything but, and won't listen to a thing I say till they have an MI.
 
I am curious as to why? Outpatient honestly seems way more up my alley, personally.
For me it was more that I love the medical complexity. It bothers me to have 15 min to see a patient, it seems like nothing of importance ever gets done. When they're inpatient you get more complex management and more time to spend with the patient, which I enjoy.
 
And then I can play the devil’s advocate. I enjoy outpatient because it is closer to 9-5, the interaction with generally healthy patients in their more daily mentation/mood/environment, I enjoy hearing about their day/life, forming the strong patient-physician relationship, breadth of pathology that walks through the door, scope of practice you need to keep up to date on, the undifferentiated sick visit (minus teenage girl abdominal pain lol), interacting with my staff in a more traditional office setting, when I ask a staff member to get something done it actually happens, etc, etc. I could go on and on.
 
exactly. Well visits kind of drive me bonkers. I can deal with sick, but don't make me deal with the 'healthy' who are anything but, and won't listen to a thing I say till they have an MI.
Honestly there's a hell of a lot of that in the hospital too. Unless you're in an uber-specialty you'll get those everywhere. 'Merica
 
I am curious as to why? Outpatient honestly seems way more up my alley, personally.

Personally I could never do it, but even I can admit the things mentioned below are some serious pros and if it's your thing then go for it and never look back. The people who do it because they love it usually are the ones who end up becoming the beloved doc for entire towns, and they are really good at outpatient medicine.

I enjoy outpatient because it is closer to 9-5, the interaction with generally healthy patients in their more daily mentation/mood/environment, I enjoy hearing about their day/life, forming the strong patient-physician relationship, breadth of pathology that walks through the door, scope of practice you need to keep up to date on, the undifferentiated sick visit (minus teenage girl abdominal pain lol), interacting with my staff in a more traditional office setting, when I ask a staff member to get something done it actually happens, etc, etc. I could go on and on.
 
And then I can play the devil’s advocate. I enjoy outpatient because it is closer to 9-5, the interaction with generally healthy patients in their more daily mentation/mood/environment, I enjoy hearing about their day/life, forming the strong patient-physician relationship, breadth of pathology that walks through the door, scope of practice you need to keep up to date on, the undifferentiated sick visit (minus teenage girl abdominal pain lol), interacting with my staff in a more traditional office setting, when I ask a staff member to get something done it actually happens, etc, etc. I could go on and on.
I can agree with a lot of this. But when a patient goes on a tangent on how they don't trust western medicine, but engage in very western terrible lifestyle choice I find it very frustrating.
Honestly there's a hell of a lot of that in the hospital too. Unless you're in an uber-specialty you'll get those everywhere. 'Merica
Theres some, but it was near endemic level in the FM clinic I was in. The physician was super pro preventative medicine, but it seemed like he just attracted really not compliant patients who liked the idea of not taking medicine, but nothing else he would suggest. I found this highly discouraging, as this provider had set up his office in many respects similar to how I would do a FM practice. He did scopes, procedures, emphasized preventative medicine, had his own gym. He had a wall for people to sign who lost 10 lbs or were able to come off their medicine. It was cool and he was the man as far as I'm concerned for primary care.

But its seemed like half his patients heard he tries to get his patients off meds, and decided thats all they needed to do (i.e. just stop taking the meds). They loved supplements (which is fine), but then they would make no effort towards lifestyle. Especially as someone who has lost quite a bit of weight, and knows the struggle, I have a hard time dealing with excuses on that front. Its a lot easier for me to stabilize someone in the hospital, optimize them while their there focusing on a specific problem and then release them knowing I did what I can. When I am outpatient and doing my best to cover everything else and half the people don't listen... Thats a war of attrition I don't want to fight.
 
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I can agree with a lot of this. But when a patient goes on a tangent on how they don't trust western medicine, but engage in very western terrible lifestyle choice I find it very frustrating.
Theres some, but it was near endemic level in the FM clinic I was in. The physician was super pro preventative medicine, but it seemed like he just attracted really not compliant patients who liked the idea of not taking medicine, but nothing else he would suggest. I found this highly discouraging, as this provider had set up his office in many respects similar to how I would do a FM practice. He did scopes, procedures, emphasized preventative medicine, had his own gym. He had a wall for people to sign who lost 10 lbs or were able to come off their medicine. It was cool and he was the man as far as I'm concerned for primary care.

But its seemed like half his patients heard he tries to get his patients off meds, and decided thats all they needed to do (i.e. just stop taking the meds). They loved supplements (which is fine), but then they would make no effort towards lifestyle. Especially as someone who has lost quite a bit of weight, and knows the struggle, I have a hard time dealing with excuses on that front. Its a lot easier for me to stabilize someone in the hospital, optimize them while their there focusing on a specific problem and then release them knowing I did what I can. When I am outpatient and doing my best to cover everything else and half the people don't listen... Thats a war of attrition I don't want to fight.

That dude does sound like the man--that's actually a dream of mine if I do FM, to incorporate a gym/weight loss goals. Honestly, almost anything inside of a hospital disinterests me. I am definitely an odd one out as far as medical students go, however. The idea of being a surgeon literally terrifies me lol

The war of attrition is a huge motivating factor to not do primary care though :/
Like if all I see is T2DM I would quit asap
 
I’m not saying that they are trash at all. I am totally aware that most (if not all) students who were accepted into medical school will be great doctors and make patients lives better.
That being said , I do agree that if you are competing with MDs for competitive residency positions, you should try to compare with the students near the upper half of the class.

Someone who is 50%tile in a DO class isn’t going to have as competitive of application as a 50%tile from Harvard. This is obviously extreme, but it makes the point.

I feel like these comments were made in relation to many med students being ill informed and thinking that since they are doing well relative to their DO counterparts this will mean they are as competitive pitted against MD students in the match.
Someone in the top 5% of a DO class isn't going to be as competitive as the bottom 5% at Harvard, let's be real.
 
For me it was more that I love the medical complexity. It bothers me to have 15 min to see a patient, it seems like nothing of importance ever gets done. When they're inpatient you get more complex management and more time to spend with the patient, which I enjoy.
I can definitely see that. I just prefer working with overall healthy individuals in non-acute situations I think. Who knows, rotations will tell.
 
Back to the topic at hand @sunnyk123, have you decided on whether or not you will pedal palpatory mysteries and cranio-sacral healing to your underclassmen or not?
 
That dude does sound like the man--that's actually a dream of mine if I do FM, to incorporate a gym/weight loss goals. Honestly, almost anything inside of a hospital disinterests me. I am definitely an odd one out as far as medical students go, however. The idea of being a surgeon literally terrifies me lol

The war of attrition is a huge motivating factor to not do primary care though :/
Like if all I see is T2DM I would quit asap
I understand that feeling, but wait till you do the surgery rotation before making up your mind. After mine I am thinking I might need to change my sig.
 
I understand that feeling, but wait till you do the surgery rotation before making up your mind. After mine I am thinking I might need to change my sig.
Yeah, for sure. I hear a lot of people end up liking it. Not like it would matter #DoctorsthatDOonlyPrimaryCare
 
Yeah, for sure. I hear a lot of people end up liking it. Not like it would matter #DoctorsthatDOonlyPrimaryCare
People at my school generally don't seem to like it that much, or just throw it out automatically due to lifestyle (which I understand completely). Competitiveness is definitely an issue for many tho. Even then I think at least 1/3rd of my class would do FM without complaint. The schools selection isn't completely off. I just wish they didn't hamper anyone who wants anything else.
 
So being a DO IS a problem...
Yes, in context to the prior post. @madjack said competetive residencies. Many competetive residencies wont interview a DO. Several programs at our local university wont. Nothing new here, DO bias has been around for years. Gotta target DO friendly programs and avoid ones that aren't. Oh, and be an excellent candidate.
 
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