One More Slap in the Face for the Corpse

[R-Me-Doc]

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Medical Corpse:

Not only did the military screw with your beliefs during your career, now they will even screw with your beliefs when you're dead and buried:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/13/widows.suit.ap/index.html


X-RMD Alive and kickin'

 

[USAFdoc]

Medical Corpse:

Not only did the military screw with your beliefs during your career, now they will even screw with your beliefs when you're dead and buried:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/11/13/widows.suit.ap/index.html


X-RMD Alive and kickin'

I do not believe the military is "screwing" somebody just because you can't have a certain symbol placed on your tombstone.

1) what if I believe in the religion of Godzilla; is the military supposed to be responsible to engrave his image on my stone, or if somebody else has some other religion that is not on the list etc.

2) now I would cry foul if they required you to have a symbol you did not want, like forcing everyone to have a christian symbol etc.

Hey, if the government has the template you want for your tombstone, great. If they do not, then you get the plain jane. That is not getting screwed.

 

[Galo]

Maybe you are getting hung up on the word "screwing". Certainly its a recognized faith in many official ways, so why not allow something that shows that on a tombstone?

Its just another way the military has complete power over something simple that makes plain sense. To cheat, has the same slang meaning as screw, so no one should be able to say that those soldiers were cheated out of their religious rights.

 

[st0rmin]

1) what if I believe in the religion of Godzilla; is the military supposed to be responsible to engrave his image on my stone, or if somebody else has some other religion that is not on the list etc.

Personally, I'd like the Jedi symbol:

I doubt that's on the approved list either... 😡

 

[DropkickMurphy]

Personally, I'd like the Jedi symbol:

I doubt that's on the approved list either... 😡

Personally I want my ass engraved on my tombstone so people can continue to kiss it long after I'm dead and gone.

 

[USAFdoc]

Maybe you are getting hung up on the word "screwing". Certainly its a recognized faith in many official ways, so why not allow something that shows that on a tombstone?

Its just another way the military has complete power over something simple that makes plain sense. To cheat, has the same slang meaning as screw, so no one should be able to say that those soldiers were cheated out of their religious rights.

I agree, it is a fairly recognized faith, I just do not think it is a "right" that the government has to furnish you with that emblem on your tombstone, even if they are willing to place a cross or other emblem on other peoples.

If I decided to give MedicalCorpse and 100 other people on this site $1000, but did not give you $1000, does that mean I "screwed" you? No, it does not. It just means that MedicalCorpse and some others now have an extra $1000 to spend on whatever. The people that did not get the $1000 were not harmed by me, they just didn't get the "gift".

I realize there are some impt differences between me giving somebody some $$$$ and if the govm't does it, but I think the Wicken complaining about the tombstone is not going to get sympathy from me, nor would a Christian get sympathy from me if the govm't refused to pay to have a cross placed on the tombstone.

that's my 2 cents, plus an xtra $1000 tip.

 

[Galo]

I agree, it is a fairly recognized faith, I just do not think it is a "right" that the government has to furnish you with that emblem on your tombstone, even if they are willing to place a cross or other emblem on other peoples.

If I decided to give MedicalCorpse and 100 other people on this site $1000, but did not give you $1000, does that mean I "screwed" you? No, it does not. It just means that MedicalCorpse and some others now have an extra $1000 to spend on whatever. The people that did not get the $1000 were not harmed by me, they just didn't get the "gift".

I realize there are some impt differences between me giving somebody some $$$$ and if the govm't does it, but I think the Wicken complaining about the tombstone is not going to get sympathy from me, nor would a Christian get sympathy from me if the govm't refused to pay to have a cross placed on the tombstone.

that's my 2 cents, plus an xtra $1000 tip.

I wish I had an extra 1000 now.

Clearly faith is getting mixed up in this. You and I see eye to eye on alot of things because of what we went through, and I do not want to argue this even though I think its wrong of the goverment to arbitrarily list it as a religion, but not give it the rights that it does to others. Besides, I'm sure Rob will come up with a more eloquent responce. I think we should concentrate on getting our message out the military medicine is dead and no one should go into it.

 

[Heeed!]

Personally I want my ass engraved on my tombstone so people can continue to kiss it long after I'm dead and gone.

Ha ha!

 

[MedicalCorpse]

I do not believe the military is "screwing" somebody just because you can't have a certain symbol placed on your tombstone.

1) what if I believe in the religion of Godzilla; is the military supposed to be responsible to engrave his image on my stone, or if somebody else has some other religion that is not on the list etc.

2) now I would cry foul if they required you to have a symbol you did not want, like forcing everyone to have a christian symbol etc.

Hey, if the government has the template you want for your tombstone, great. If they do not, then you get the plain jane. That is not getting screwed.

USAFDoc, I appreciate everything you have written regarding military medicine and its demise, but I am afraid you are missing the point.

During the nine years since the Aquarian Tabernacle Church (representing the Pagan/Wiccan tradition) applied for inclusion of the Pentacle on the "Approved" VA religious symbols list, 11 other religions have had their symbols approved...some, like the Sikhs, in less than a month. It is a matter of fairness and equality under the law...and of the Constitutional protection of religious expression. Unlike "Godzillaism" and "Jediism", Wicca is a DoD-recognized religion... the old reductio ad absurdum argument is beneath you. I had "Pagan" stamped on my official military dogtags, with which I deployed in support of OEF. The only plausible reason for the spiking of the application to include the Pentacle on the "Approved" list is frank (and Bill) religious bigotry among certain ignorant bureaucrats at DVA who think that the pentacle is a symbol of "evil", rather than of protection and the unification of the five elements.

However, this thread has nothing to do with military medicine per se, but rather with my personal religion, so I will not go on wasting electrons on SDN by discussing this issue here any further.

I have created a new web page which delves into this issue in some detail; see especially the final section, which utilizes the Gedankenexperiment (thought experiment) I used a few days ago on this forum to explain why being forced into a Christian prayer circle by your Commanders around a fallen comrade makes some non-Christians uneasy:

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/pentacle.html

If y'all have questions/objections/apoplectic rage after reading my web page, please PM me. I have discovered to my chagrin that the whole religious thing has a low signal/noise ratio on the net.

Now, back to our documentation of the death of U.S. military medicine, already in progress...

Your pal,

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R

 

[USAFdoc]

USAFDoc, I appreciate everything you have written regarding military medicine and its demise, but I am afraid you are missing the point.

During the nine years since the Aquarian Tabernacle Church (representing the Pagan/Wiccan tradition) applied for inclusion of the Pentacle on the "Approved" VA religious symbols list, 11 other religions have had their symbols approved...some, like the Sikhs, in less than a month. It is a matter of fairness and equality under the law...and of the Constitutional protection of religious expression. Unlike "Godzillaism" and "Jediism", Wicca is a DoD-recognized religion... the old reductio ad absurdum argument is beneath you. I had "Pagan" stamped on my official military dogtags, with which I deployed in support of OEF. The only plausible reason for the spiking of the application to include the Pentacle on the "Approved" list is frank (and Bill) religious bigotry among certain ignorant bureaucrats at DVA who think that the pentacle is a symbol of "evil", rather than of protection and the unification of the five elements.

However, this thread has nothing to do with military medicine per se, but rather with my personal religion, so I will not go on wasting electrons on SDN by discussing this issue here any further.

I have created a new web page which delves into this issue in some detail; see especially the final section, which utilizes the Gedankenexperiment (thought experiment) I used a few days ago on this forum to explain why being forced into a Christian prayer circle by your Commanders around a fallen comrade makes some non-Christians uneasy:

http://www.medicalcorpse.com/pentacle.html

If y'all have questions/objections/apoplectic rage after reading my web page, please PM me. I have discovered to my chagrin that the whole religious thing has a low signal/noise ratio on the net.

Now, back to our documentation of the death of U.S. military medicine, already in progress...

Your pal,

--
R

1)Ok, I agree with you, now that I have some additional info. If the military has added some additional symbols to the initial list, then to NOT add the Wicken symbol certainly sounds like a discrimatory action. Shame on the military.

2)I still feel, and you will likely agree, that in the long list of "crimes" performed by the military, and the long list of concerns you and I and others have listed, symbols on tombstones will not top the list. But again, it sure smells of discrimination.

3) as a Christian, if the situation were reversed (ie...no Christian symbols but yes to Islam, Wicka, Judaism etc) I would object, but I really would not fight that like I would poor patient care, poor treatment of staff, METRICS and Promtion over Quality etc. Really.

and again, Rob, thanks for the willingness to stand up and fight against a military healthcare system that simply is shameful and an insult to what the US Military should stand for.