One year of internship only any chance of practice out of country

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Hello everyone I have one year of residency in family medicine under my belt after graduating from a caribbean school. I can not get into any residencies and Wisconsin has rejected me and Wyoming as well. I am looking abroad and try to see if I can practice as a physician in any other country. How is the criteria for Canada, Israel or any English speaking countries? Does anyone know?
 
check with each country's respective medical council website, they should show qualifications. Of english speaking countries, there's new zealand, australia, ireland, UK, Canada, etc. I looked all this stuff up a long time ago but forgot so sorry I am unable to remember the details. hopefully someone else has some good details for you.

if you want to stay in the states, you could also try GMO positions from usajobs.com. They make 100k or so.

Why were you rejected from wisconsin and wyoming? did you get credit for all 12 months of your residency? im applying for wisconsin...so wonder how would they reject?
 
the military has many GMO positions and plenty of folks go into residency after doing a tour
 
and as a plus, we speak English
 
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I have not looked at it recently, but I doubt your statement is accurate. The military last I checked was looking to get out of the GMO practice. The GMOs they have or make in the future come from individuals actually in a military residency to start.

http://militarymedicine.com/node/236
http://www.mods.army.mil/medicaleducation/userlogon/PublicLOI_2010.htm

That first link is actually a commentary on how the military was 'supposed' to get out of the GMO business back in the 90s but never did. GMOs aren't going anywhere, and there's a whole SDN military medicine forum that can back me up on that. That's not to say that they take any unemployed intern dropout though.
 
somebody can correct me if i'm wrong but i think both the US public health service and VA hospitals will hire after one year of residency.
good luck!
 
...military ...The GMOs they have or make in the future come from individuals actually in a military residency to start...
...GMOs aren't going anywhere ...That's not to say that they take any unemployed intern dropout though.
The military would absolutely prefer to not have GMOs. That is not to say the circumstances that result in failure to complete military residency and/or crate a GMO have been resolved. But as noted above, I don't believe they are taking residency dropout or fresh from med school failed to match straight into GMO.

And, yes, know, there are strategic reasons why they may encourage a resident to do some flight surgeon, dive surgeon, etc... with a few year tour obligation, i.e. becoming short time GMO.
 
The military would absolutely prefer to not have GMOs. That is not to say the circumstances that result in failure to complete military residency and/or crate a GMO have been resolved. But as noted above, I don't believe they are taking residency dropout or fresh from med school failed to match straight into GMO.

And, yes, know, there are strategic reasons why they may encourage a resident to do some flight surgeon, dive surgeon, etc... with a few year tour obligation, i.e. becoming short time GMO.

What the military would prefer is immaterial. The truth is the GMO is alive and well in all branches of military medicine.

Many people in the military do GMOs because there are not enough spots in their branch for their specialty of choice. Therefore, they must do GMO tours to either A) accumulate enough points to match into their residency of choice or B) fulfill their service obligation before doing a civilian residency. Furthermore, they are, in fact, taking "residency dropout" [sic] - to a GMO position is precisely where a military resident who drops out of residency goes. It has nothing to do with "strategic reasons" except if you include neglecting to maintain the national standard of training for independently practicing physicians for practical purposes as "strategy".

As to not taking medical students who don't match into GMO positions, well, yeah, of course they're not accepting those people. You have to be licensed to practice medicine to be a GMO, and I am not aware of any state in the U.S. that will license a physician who has not completed at least one year of post-graduate training. That example is irrelevant to this particular discussion anyway, seeing as the OP stated he completed a year of FP residency.

To the OP, use the military as a last ditch effort, meaning that you should only join if you have no other options to be a civilian physician. Doctors who join the military purely for financial or administrative reasons tend to be very unhappy with their choice. Of course, this all assumes that you would fulfill the other military requirements, e.g. you're a U.S. citizen, you don't have a limiting medical condition, you don't piss hot on a urinalysis, etc.

Good luck.
 
The OP mentions Wisconsin and Wyoming for a reason: IMG's cannot apply for a medical license in most states without 2+ completed years of residency. Puerto Rico says 1 year, Mississippi says 1-3 years for IMG, whatever that means.

So, with no state willing to license the OP, he cannot practice in the US, which is why he's looking abroad.

If the requirement to join is a valid medical license, then it's not an option for him.

http://www.fsmb.org/usmle_eliinitial.html
 
Maybe he could try for a residency in Australia? I heard they need doctors. Or New Zealand? It seems like most of these developed countries are not going to let someone practice with just 1 year of residency.
 
What the military would prefer is immaterial...

Many people in the military do GMOs ...Furthermore, they are, in fact, taking "residency dropout" [sic] - to a GMO position is precisely where a military resident who drops out of residency goes. It has nothing to do with "strategic reasons" except if you include neglecting to maintain the national standard of training for independently practicing physicians for practical purposes as "strategy".

As to not taking medical students who don't match into GMO positions, well, yeah, of course they're not accepting those people. ...That example is irrelevant to this particular discussion anyway, seeing as the OP stated he completed a year of FP residency.

To the OP, use the military as a last ditch effort...
Boy, alot of stuff said... Not sure the point or if you have some axe to grind.

However, my point and others, specifically being that if you are not in the military already, you are not likely to be comissioned into GMO position. I accept that exceptions exists and I accept that I could be very wrong and maybe the military routinely takes civilian resident drops straight into military comission GMO. I am just not aware of that being the case. I am also not sure of the OP's ability to get a valid license to be a licensed GMO. Those details are not completely clear.
...I have one year of residency in family medicine under my belt after graduating from a caribbean school. I can not get into any residencies ...I am looking abroad and try to see if I can practice as a physician in any other country...
Are you planning to no longer live in USA? I understand you as saying you can not obtain additional residency training in USA? You are also having difficulty obtaining a medical license to practice in USA? Thus, you seek to ~general practitioner abroad? That is fine, but practicing abroad will not necessarily improve your chances of eventually practicing in USA. What excatly are you trying to accomplish?
 
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you don't have to be in the military to get a medical officer position. just go to usajobs.com and type in 'medical officer' and there you go. they make around 100k+. doesn't require licensure in any state, just 1 year of experience and an MD.

For example,
click this link: http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/search...re=&x=55&y=22&brd=3876&vw=b&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y
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Your reading comprehension could use some help. From the first listing under Medical Officer Army Medical Command (this one here):

"Basic Requirements:

Degree: Doctor of Medicine or Doctor of Osteopathy from a school in the United States or Canada approved by a recognized accrediting body in the year of the applicants graduation. [A Doctor of Medicine or equivalent degree from a foreign medical school that provided education and medical knowledge substantially equivalent to accredited schools in the United States may be demonstrated by permanent certification by the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) (or a fifth pathway certificate for Americans who completed premedical education in the United States and graduate education in a foreign country).]
Graduate Training: Subsequent to obtaining a Doctor of Medicine or Doctor of Osteopathy degree, a candidate must have had at least 1 year of supervised experience providing direct service in a clinical setting, i.e., a 1-year internship or the first year of a residency program in an institution accredited for such training.
Specialized Experience:4 years of residency training in the specialty of the position to be filled or equivalent experience and training.
Licensure: For positions involving patient care, candidates must have a permanent, full, and unrestricted license to practice medicine in a State, District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or a territory of the United States."

So...no you don't have to have completed a residency or be in the military, but you do have to have a license from some US state/territory.
 
I just applied to a job here that requires no license at all. I don't think you looked hard enough for one, just wanted to prove me wrong, well, sorry:

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Fair enough (although since you didn't post a link to the listing I have to assume you posted it in its entirety and didn't conveniently leave out the licensure requirement...your full disclosure history is spotty at best).

But you stated that you don't need a license for MO jobs at all. That is patently false. I looked at half a dozen different listings for PCPs in IHS, BOP and Military and couldn't find one that paid at the GS11-15 level (which tops out at $155K BTW...and with only PGY1 behind you, GS11 is all you qualify for) and didn't require a license. Congrats on finding the one that doesn't need it. Good luck getting it.
 
Fair enough (although since you didn't post a link to the listing I have to assume you posted it in its entirety and didn't conveniently leave out the licensure requirement...your full disclosure history is spotty at best).

But you stated that you don't need a license for MO jobs at all. That is patently false. I looked at half a dozen different listings for PCPs in IHS, BOP and Military and couldn't find one that paid at the GS11-15 level (which tops out at $155K BTW...and with only PGY1 behind you, GS11 is all you qualify for) and didn't require a license. Congrats on finding the one that doesn't need it. Good luck getting it.

I posted that in it's entirety. I looked through and found more that don't require licensure. Most of the ones i found that don't require license are under "health and human services", but not IHS, military, or Airforce or licensed doctors. i think these jobs aren't very clnical (but not entirely sure), they seem administrative and public health oriented, sometimes Q and A oriented, but they do pay $100k+.....i personally don't like the sound of these jobs..they sound boring to me, but it is up to the applicant. i have applied to these jobs before, and didn't get in in the past, so I think they are a little tough to get and competitive. the salary is nice so im sure a lot of people are going for these jobs.

Thanks for the luck, gutonc, just thought i'd give it a shot.
 
To the OP, have you thought about joining the military and doing residency with them? It's as scary decision but a way out. That is also an option if you are FMG and have a year behind you and are healthy. You must be a US citizen though.
 
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