Online Dating As a Grad Student

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Obviously, as grad students, many of us don't have the time to be out socializing as much as we'd like and I'm sure all of us can attest to choosing to spend more weekends in doing work as opposed to going to the bars with friends than we'd care to admit. That said, many grad students are single (and ready to mingle) and online dating has become more of a legit thing since its inception (I have a number of friends who have met interesting people - some even developing long-term relationships). I know of a couple of fellow grad students in my dept who are currently on some of the more popular (and free) dating sites (i.e. OkCupid) and it looks like a good way to meet new people (especially for some of us who are more socially inept). However, am I being too paranoid to think that creating an online dating profile is a recipe for disaster in terms of an accidental interaction with an undergrad student or client? Is it best to just steer clear from online dating or is there a way to protect oneself from the dangers of unethical multiple relationships and that sort of thing? Anyone have any experience with this?

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I'm not sure I understand what you're concerned about specifically. Is it that undergraduate students or previous/current clients might see your online dating profile? If so, what do you think would happen if they saw it? Or are you worried that you'll go on a date accidentally with a previous client? Or something else?

I dated online for about two years during my Clinical Psych Ph.D. program, in a city with about 300 000 people. I actually met my current partner that way. 🙂 I don't think my choice of profession interfered at all, except for how it limited the time I had available for dating.
 
Obviously, as grad students, many of us don't have the time to be out socializing as much as we'd like and I'm sure all of us can attest to choosing to spend more weekends in doing work as opposed to going to the bars with friends than we'd care to admit. That said, many grad students are single (and ready to mingle) and online dating has become more of a legit thing since its inception (I have a number of friends who have met interesting people - some even developing long-term relationships). I know of a couple of fellow grad students in my dept who are currently on some of the more popular (and free) dating sites (i.e. OkCupid) and it looks like a good way to meet new people (especially for some of us who are more socially inept). However, am I being too paranoid to think that creating an online dating profile is a recipe for disaster in terms of an accidental interaction with an undergrad student or client? Is it best to just steer clear from online dating or is there a way to protect oneself from the dangers of unethical multiple relationships and that sort of thing? Anyone have any experience with this?

I met my boyfriend online, while I was in grad school.

I didn't find any problem with it... I just didn't put anything in my profile that I wouldn't want potential clients to know (e.g., pictures of me shirtless, sexual preferences). I have friends from my program that did post some of that information (e.g., a gay man saying he's a "bottom" or a "top"), but I didn't feel comfortable doing that.

I mean... I liken it to going out to dinner and having a client see you there. Are they going to be shocked that you are in a relationship? Or that you exist outside of their 50-minute therapy session?
 
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Several of the grad students in my program used OkCupid and other sites. We had a lot of fun comparing bad dates at times. As other posters have said, you're allowed to have a life outside of psych. I would heed Letsgonyr's advice though, keep the information you post to the same level that you'd want widely publically known.

That being said, it also depends on your client pool. Early on I saw a good deal of individuals with borderline PD, some with boundary issues. I definitely limited my online presence and made information about myself harder to find then.
 
Unless you have some specific concern like WN said, I think this (quite common) attitude is an overreaction. It reminds me of that urban legend chain email about how schoolteachers in the 1800s can't date or socialize with anyone. I've seen trainees get alarmed about seeing a client at starbucks, as an extension of this, too.

So what if a client or student sees you on there? It's not relevant to a student and really, clients are not going to be damaged by seeing that you are human. 🙂

I do think that reasonable measures can be taken in the name of general professionalism (which I think are not at all specific to psych but are good ideas for anyone); e.g. Not having raunchy photos. Or, the lgbt dating sites let you list preferred sexual position--maybe leave that one blank.
 
I've noticed myself with similar reactions at times, so this thread does help. I've always been one to separate my work and social lives anyway, so the worry of "oh no my client my realize i dont just live in the clinic 24/7" is likely unwarranted.

Specifically I am more concerned about a client seeing me out having a drink or two out with friends, or at dinner or other event. Obviously I would not be drinking heavily or getting intoxicated out in public, but I am still unsure about the appropriateness of it in general, especially being in a smaller town where accidental run-ins are more likely than in a 500k+ city.
 
Obviously I would not be drinking heavily or getting intoxicated out in public, but I am still unsure about the appropriateness of it in general, especially being in a smaller town where accidental run-ins are more likely than in a 500k+ city.

Humans eat. Humans socialize/are social creatures. 85% of the US adult population consumes alcoholic beverages on a regular basis. What is "inappopriate" about any of this to you?
 
Specifically I am more concerned about a client seeing me out having a drink or two out with friends, or at dinner or other event. Obviously I would not be drinking heavily or getting intoxicated out in public, but I am still unsure about the appropriateness of it in general, especially being in a smaller town where accidental run-ins are more likely than in a 500k+ city.

Help us understand why you see this as inappropriate. A lot of trainees (and professionals) think this and I've never been able to understand why.
 
Help us understand why you see this as inappropriate. A lot of trainees (and professionals) think this and I've never been able to understand why.

I appreciate your curiosity. In my program I definitely see it quite a bit as well. I have heard students say things like "oh gosh I saw my client at the grocery store yesterday and it was so awkward!" I dont fully understand that side of things.

For me in particular, this past year I did a lot of work with substance abuse related treatment, so I am fully aware that is biasing my own feelings about drinking in public. Despite the fact that the treatment is mostly an MI-based, stages of change/harm reduction approach and not at all a preachy abstinence group, I still get that thought in the back of my head that my role will be compromised and I will appear hypocritical.

Just a guess on this part, but I wonder if some of the 'weird feeling' also is related to the 'impostor syndrome'. Even though we have a lot of training and are gaining good experience, it is still hard to feel like a full professional at this stage. So if a client sees us out in public, or having a social life, there is the worry that we will be seen as an incompetent kid, rather than a professional.
 
It's a great clinical tool though, no? "How does it feel to see people you know able to drink when you can't?" Boom, takes it off you and onto the general problem.

I appreciate your expanding more. I have a reaction to say "no that's silly it's fine" but that's not really helpful. I really want to know what causes that reaction.
 
I found the grocery store thing to be awkward the first couple times it happened (in my first year of therapy, mostly). For me, I think I was worried about what they would say or do, and that I wouldn't know how to handle it-- Or that it would harm the client in some unspecified way to see me outside the clinic.

It's less awkward now. Experiencing it a few times and realizing that nothing bad happens helps a lot. I was also able to do some re-framing of the situation. Obviously my clients know that I am human, and that I shop for clothing and for food. They know that I have friends. The perceptive ones probably know I have a partner/spouse. In a few years, when I'm ready for a family, my clients will know I'm pregnant (gasp!). 🙂

I'm much more comfortable with all these ideas than I used to be, but I think for some people (especially those who are uncertain of professional boundaries) it can take some time to adjust.
 
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I think the gym is the most awkward place to see clients and if/when it happens, I usually modify my workout routine until the client leaves (like go for a run outside instead of the treadmill). I've had a former SMI client see me with all my kids at the park, and you know what? It wasn't horrible at all. Actually, it was a nice... A quick cordial nod "hello" and back to our usually activities, which is how I greet anyone I see outside of the therapy room.

To the OP, I've been married throughout graduate school, but for my friends who dated online, they didn't have any problems and had fun (I knew of them going to paid websites, but perhaps that was the trend at the time. Also, my Russian friend went specifically to a paid Russian dating website to minimize her similar concerns.) I agree with others and would not post anything that would be too professionally inappropriate. After all, in graduate school, we usually begin to also practice our professional better-judgement. Same for Facebook or Instagram. That's it's own behavioral analysis tool, in itself. Ha.
 
I think the gym is the most awkward place to see clients and if/when it happens, I usually modify my workout routine until the client leaves (like go for a run outside instead of the treadmill). I've had a former SMI client see me with all my kids at the park, and you know what? It wasn't horrible at all. Actually, it was a nice... A quick cordial nod "hello" and back to our usually activities, which is how I greet anyone I see outside of the therapy room.
I give my trainees an ethical scenario in which they go to the gym every morning before work, shower, then go to internship. A client comes in and in the intake says that she/he (same gender as trainee) enjoys going to the gym in the morning and showering and getting ready for the day. I make it harder by making the gym shower an old school group shower not stalls. There's no right answer but reactions are more important, I think.

Oh and I specify that it is inconvenient for you to go at a different time and expensive and inconvenient to use a different gym.
 
MCParent, that is a good, practical scenario (especially if there are both a on-campus clinic & gym). My stance: Working out can be sexualized, as can showering in a group shower stall. I'd rather those (sexualized) vibes come straight from the patient so I can read them, rather than from me inadvertently exposing myself to them...so this is why I quickly opt out of picture if the scenario arises.
 
I only find it awkward when I run into clients who dropped out of treatment. 😉
I ran into the mom of one of my adolescent clients at the grocery store. She had not been bringing him to his sessions and hadn't returned my calls for a few weeks. I made eye contact with her and smiled at the store, but we didn't talk. But guess who called the next day to schedule a new appointment 🙂
 
I'm not sure I understand what you're concerned about specifically. Is it that undergraduate students or previous/current clients might see your online dating profile? If so, what do you think would happen if they saw it? Or are you worried that you'll go on a date accidentally with a previous client? Or something else?

I dated online for about two years during my Clinical Psych Ph.D. program, in a city with about 300 000 people. I actually met my current partner that way. 🙂 I don't think my choice of profession interfered at all, except for how it limited the time I had available for dating.

I think my biggest concern is students being able to view my profile - especially given that I am currently teaching an 80+ intro class. Further, given that i may not remember someone's face who sits way in the back of the auditorium, I think there *could* be a possibility of accidental web contact with a student without knowing right away. With respect to clients, I am not as concerned cause I am only beginning my 3rd year in the program and have had limited (< 10 clients) face-to-face contact with students at the UCC and will no longer be seeing student clients as I am now at a VA. Congrats on your success - gives hope for the rest of us!
 
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Perhaps11, maybe disable your dating site account for the semester (if you are that concerned) and look for other dating means (parties, clubs, etc.) until you are less in the 'public' eye. I'm married with kids, so I'm looking at your inquiry from a logistical point-of-view, not an emotional needs point-of-view. If the cost/benefit analysis yields a higher return on leaving your dating profile active, then I seriously doubt the undergrads sitting in the back of the room will be pulling up your profile and snickering at Professor Perhaps11 (if that is what you are concerned about). Heck, we all have to date (unless we have an arranged marriage)!
 
Another option is to post without a picture and say you are willing to email a picture if interested. Fair warning, you won't get as many takers, but it might help you be less recognizable.

I dated online through grad school without an issue. I tried it w/o a pic for a while, but then I got over it.

I also found my husband online. 🙂
 
I did my dissertation about this very topic. I looked at psychodynamic psychotherapists who Internet date and had some very interesting findings.

To summarize:
6 grad students interviewed. Qualitative thematic analysis was conducted with fair inter-rater reliability and 8 themes identified:
1. Boundaries,
2. Impression construction,
3. Self-disclosure,
4. Transference/countertransference,
5. Openness with colleagues or supervisors,
6. Shame/Embarrassment about e-dating,
7. Evolution, and
8. Ethics.

Boundaries, —None of the study’s participants reported being found or finding patients while using Internet dating websites. But were vaguely worried about it and defensive. Implications for the frame, and escalation of minor boundary crossings slipping into larger violations. Incidental contact and extratherapeutic contact.


Impression construction—personal and professional efforts to manage how one comes across. All participants included photos of themselves that were clearly identifying. Some took down photos that felt “inappropriate” e.g., drinking, showing a lot of skin. Omitted information about drug use and sex.


Self-disclosure—participants were asked if they had or would self-disclose about their e-dating. 2/3 would to normalize. Profile itself seen as a self-disclosure


Transference/countertransference—erotic countertransference/transference strongly acknowledged, feared possible enactments. 2 participants reported acting on erotic counter/t by using social media. Despite anxiety express participants also felt discovery could lessen transference distortions.


Openness with colleagues or supervisors—largely avoided with supervisors, feelings of doing something “inappropriate”. I.e., supervisor becomes the superego, also a feeling that supervisors maybe too unfamiliar with e-dating that they will not be helpful. Doesn’t fit research. Jillian V. Friedin (2006) sample (n=179) psychologists with 21-30 years of experience viewed r/ships formed online positively.


Shame/Embarrassment about e-dating—internalized feelings of stigma about e-daters. Literature shows decreasing levels of stigma. “Not everybody dates online or has to …part of what you're admitting in that is that you're single…” Canadian code of ethics—violating professional norms.


Evolution—participants became More relaxed over time, less cautious; and (b) More authentic, greater self-knowledge, knowing what is wanted in partner. Yet very clear they wanted to avoid clinical contact on dating websites.


Ethics—vague worries, unable to see clear ethical conflicts. Confidentiality (communicating w/ a pt online) not mentioned but may be most clear ethical issue. Participants were not yet licensed—perhaps not so familiar with the Code.

Dual r/ship:

“I basically told myself if I'm opening to a greater community of people online and I'm going to be getting to know people past a certain point, I cannot treat them. It's a dual relationship. Uh, in fact, if I've ever had a conversation with somebody on OkCupid, no matter how big or how small, I will never be able to treat them as a client, ever.”​

Multiple participants felt a more detailed handling of social media and internet dating needed to be developed for the Code to guide clinicians.

But perhaps the most interesting finding was the response-rate. I solicited responses from over 90k people via several local and online communities and had less than 1% respond. This is shocking and I took it to be evidence of the shame/ambivalence that clinicians have about Internet dating. According to a meta-study by Cook et al., (2000) a response-rate of 34.6% - 39.6% is typical for qualitative online surveys.

For those who are interested here are some useful references:
DiLillo, D., & Gale, E. B. (2011). To Google or not to Google: Graduate students' use of the Internet to access personal information about clients. Training and Education in Professional Psychology, 5(3), 160–166. doi:10.1037/a0024441

Finkel, E. J., Eastwick, P. W., Karney, B. R., Reis, H. T., & Sprecher, S. (2012). Online Dating: A Critical Analysis From the Perspective of Psychological Science. Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 13(1), 3–66. doi:10.1177/1529100612436522

Friedin, J. V. (2006). Psychologists' Beliefs and Advocacy Regarding the Formation of Romantic Relationships Through Internet Communication. Chicago School of Professional Psychology.

Gutheil, T. G., & Simon, R. I. (2005b). E-mails, Extra-therapeutic Contact, and Early Boundary Problems: The Internet as a 'Slippery Slope'. Psychiatric Annals.

Guy, J. D., & Liaboe, G. P. (1986). The impact of conducting psychotherapy on psychotherapists' interpersonal functioning. Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, 17(2), 111–114.

Lehavot, K. (2009). “MySpace” or Yours? The Ethical Dilemma of Graduate Students' Personal Lives on the Internet. Ethics & Behavior, 19(2), 129–141. doi:10.1080/10508420902772728

Madden, M., & Lenhart, A. (2006). Online Dating. Washington, DC: Pew Internet & American Life Project.

Taylor, L., McMinn, M. R., Bufford, R. K., & Chang, K. B. T. (2010). Psychologists’ attitudes and ethical concerns regarding the use of social networking web sites. Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, 41(2), 153–159. doi:10.1037/a0017996

Sedgeley, B. (2013). Psychotherapists who use the Internet to Date: Personal and Professional Boundary Considerations (Doctoral Dissertation). Proquest.

Wildermuth, S. (2001). Loners, losers, freaks, and geeks: the impact of perceived stigma on the quality of on-line close relationships. (Doctoral dissertation).

Zur, O., Williams, M. H., Lehavot, K., & Knapp, S. (2009). Psychotherapist self-disclosure and transparency in the Internet age. Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, 40(1), 22–30. doi:10.1037/a0014745
 
All I will add, is that I did it for over 2 years and it was fine. I only dated one other person who was in Psychology (different school, same area). I saw someone I assessed once or twice. Many sites have a "hide" feature, you can hide people without even clicking on their profile. I only came across people I knew a handful or seen in my lab less fewer than 10 times.
 
I met my husband on a gay-dating site 5 years ago, coming from a graduate student not in a clinically-oriented program, I would say it was a great choice. In the LGBT world, (at least from my experience/opinion), there is some information that is typically more addressed in an online profile that I would think my heterosexual counterparts do not experience. In reference to a previous poster's comment to the "bottom vs. top"...this is a very common variable that does facilitate whether two consenting gay men are going to meet for a date or "other" activity. Again, this is just my own experience as well as the experience from my friends I associate with. To address your question/concern, I would use this avenue, as another poster had mentioned, this is a great "behavioral analysis" tool (while informal), it does provide you pertinent information to gauge whether or not a potential partner seems like a good fit. I personally got tired of the bar scene and other "traditional" forms of courtship. For ethical issues, I couldn't help on that, but I hope my story adds to your potential decision.
 
IIn reference to a previous poster's comment to the "bottom vs. top"...this is a very common variable that does facilitate whether two consenting gay men are going to meet for a date or "other" activity.

Being a gay man, I'd know. But I don't think a direct reference to preferred sexual activities is appropriate in any professional's online dating profile (same with nude photos, etc).
 
I met my husband on a gay-dating site 5 years ago, coming from a graduate student not in a clinically-oriented program, I would say it was a great choice. In the LGBT world, (at least from my experience/opinion), there is some information that is typically more addressed in an online profile that I would think my heterosexual counterparts do not experience. In reference to a previous poster's comment to the "bottom vs. top"...this is a very common variable that does facilitate whether two consenting gay men are going to meet for a date or "other" activity. Again, this is just my own experience as well as the experience from my friends I associate with. To address your question/concern, I would use this avenue, as another poster had mentioned, this is a great "behavioral analysis" tool (while informal), it does provide you pertinent information to gauge whether or not a potential partner seems like a good fit. I personally got tired of the bar scene and other "traditional" forms of courtship. For ethical issues, I couldn't help on that, but I hope my story adds to your potential decision.

I'm the one that posted that originally, and I'm also a gay man. I understand the need for sexual compatibility and all, I was just saying that I'd like more control over who has access to that information. If we start talking and seem to hit it off, then yeah, I'll talk about that kind of thing. But I don't want random people or potential clients knowing that information (though I also understand the double standard... In hetero relationships, we know who is the giver/receiver and it doesn't matter. But that's another issue.)

I also think the type of site impacts the information you offer. Christianmingle.com is not the same as manhunt. 🙂. But I wouldn't feel comfortable having a profile on the latter as a psychologist.
 
Being a gay man, I'd know. But I don't think a direct reference to preferred sexual activities is appropriate in any professional's online dating profile (same with nude photos, etc).

Of course, I was just stating that at the time when I was "on the market," that was something of importance. As a graduate student and future professional in the field, I would certainly not have entertained my past approaches to dating.

I'm the one that posted that originally, and I'm also a gay man. I understand the need for sexual compatibility and all, I was just saying that I'd like more control over who has access to that information. If we start talking and seem to hit it off, then yeah, I'll talk about that kind of thing. But I don't want random people or potential clients knowing that information (though I also understand the double standard... In hetero relationships, we know who is the giver/receiver and it doesn't matter. But that's another issue.)

I also think the type of site impacts the information you offer. Christianmingle.com is not the same as manhunt. 🙂. But I wouldn't feel comfortable having a profile on the latter as a psychologist.

I think this also brings up another good example of the potential pitfalls of internet dating; if it in fact is pure dating or masqueraded to be a one night stand. Would you think that heterosexual internet dating presents different values or goals vs. homosexual internet dating? What are your thoughts?
 
In hetero relationships, we know who is the giver/receiver and it doesn't matter. But that's another issue.)

Heterosexuals enagage in all sorts of creative forms of sexual expression too, including altering the norms of "giving and taking." 😉 I think the same standard applies; I don't think specific sexual behavior info is reasonable for a general site. Really, lgbt sites go into genital size and such. Really not something I'd call reasonable for public knowledge.

At the same time, there are specific sites for persons who are into some forms of intimacy, such as bdsm or polyamory. If a therapist were on such a site, and a client were to see their profile, that's a different conversation (because presumably the client is into whatever the site is about) than if a non-bdsm person were to see "I like bdsm" on a general site therapist profile, I think.
 
Are we all gay on here?
 
I chose to anonymize rather than sanitize my only online profile when I realized this might be a future issue. I'm hoping my clients and my subcultures will not be too intermingled once I start seeing them.

Are we all gay on here?

The gay population on this sub-board does seem high, especially relative to the field as I have seen it, but maybe over time I will meet more folks out in the research/clinical world.
 
I think this also brings up another good example of the potential pitfalls of internet dating; if it in fact is pure dating or masqueraded to be a one night stand. Would you think that heterosexual internet dating presents different values or goals vs. homosexual internet dating? What are your thoughts?

Good question. The stereotypes certainly say that they're different... for lesbians (e.g., "What does a lesbian bring to a second date?" "A U-Haul."), for gay men (e.g., "What does a gay man bring to a second date?" "What second date?"), and for straight people. In reality, though, I don't think there is actually much of a difference. And this is a big assumption, but I think most people getting their doctorate or in the professional world, LGBT or not, are more likely to want to settle down rather than play the field. There are a lot of other factors, obviously, such as age.

Heterosexuals enagage in all sorts of creative forms of sexual expression too, including altering the norms of "giving and taking." 😉 I think the same standard applies; I don't think specific sexual behavior info is reasonable for a general site. Really, lgbt sites go into genital size and such. Really not something I'd call reasonable for public knowledge.

At the same time, there are specific sites for persons who are into some forms of intimacy, such as bdsm or polyamory. If a therapist were on such a site, and a client were to see their profile, that's a different conversation (because presumably the client is into whatever the site is about) than if a non-bdsm person were to see "I like bdsm" on a general site therapist profile, I think.

Oh, of course heteros engage in different forms of sexual expression too, I didn't mean to imply they didn't! But overall, I think there are more assumptions that are made about straight relationships/roles that are readily ignored/accepted as normal. One of the only reasons the "top" vs. "bottom" preference is a sensitive issue is due to societal roles; are you the "man" in the relationship or not? It's not that simple, of course, but I do think there is a double standard there.

And I think you have a good point re: sexual subcultures.

Overall, though, I don't think there's anything wrong or unethical about sharing details about your life on dating sites... like I said, I didn't feel comfortable sharing such information myself, but my good friend was more open than I was (and found his fiance online). I just prefer to have more control over disclosure.

Are we all gay on here?

In a perfect world... 😛.
 
Are we all gay on here?



As a staunch ally, I giggled when this was playing on my amplified sound system as I picked up my children from their parochial school. I turned it down out of respect for their families (not my right to affect their kids with my beliefs), but laughed for quite a while 🙂
 
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