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Has anyone completed an online post-bacc pre med program and accepted to medical school? knowledge is knowledge no matter how you learn. i dont get why the controversy. i already know the cons about online classes so i dont want anyone on here saying medical schools dont respect it or frown upon it bc i already know. what i want to know is if there is anyone who has actually been accepted once completing the program online. thanks.
 
Online postbacc program as in DIY ? Or a full program complete with comittee letter ? The former is more likely the latter I have never heard of.

Community college is a very simular price often cheaper in most cases so that could be better
 
There are a ton of online programs that are degree mills, which is why most people avoid them. If the online program is associated with a brick and mortar university that should be fine and I doubt most schools would care that much about online vs in person if you explain it like you just did.
 
Online postbacc program as in DIY ? Or a full program complete with comittee letter ? The former is more likely the latter I have never heard of.

Community college is a very simular price often cheaper in most cases so that could be better
The full program with commitee letter and resources. I work on and off so I need something flexible online just to get these classes over with. I know in community college and cheap universities people do the same thing going in person cause I met them but I want info on the online programs. I wonder why there are so many programs for online if no one uses them? Is it really just to take your money?
 
There are a ton of online programs that are degree mills, which is why most people avoid them. If the online program is associated with a brick and mortar university that should be fine and I doubt most schools would care that much about online vs in person if you explain it like you just did.
ok well i am looking into university of england so hopefully that'll be a good option and if not then i will have to go back to my community college -_- which i DO NOT ever want to go back to but will if i have to. i think i will risk doing the online program. school shouldnt be so hard and expensive. and i am sure that being a doctor wouldnt even be as competitive if they got paid pennies...ugh.
 
The full program with commitee letter and resources. I work on and off so I need something flexible online just to get these classes over with. I know in community college and cheap universities people do the same thing going in person cause I met them but I want info on the online programs. I wonder why there are so many programs for online if no one uses them? Is it really just to take your money?
If you want a full comittee letter and resources such as MCAT prep youre gonna have to go with the in person option. Taking extention courses or courses at a CC are accepted by med schools as long as they are rigorous enough to warrant being taken seriously by adcoms. I plan on doing both since more credits taken and done well in = higher gpa overall. By saying classes you need to get over with are you refering to the BCPM prereqs or other science courses to boost gpa ?
 
There are a ton of online programs that are degree mills, which is why most people avoid them. If the online program is associated with a brick and mortar university that should be fine and I doubt most schools would care that much about online vs in person if you explain it like you just did.
I wouldnt be so sure of this. Might they look at online courses as less rigorous ?
 
The full program with commitee letter and resources. I work on and off so I need something flexible online just to get these classes over with. I know in community college and cheap universities people do the same thing going in person cause I met them but I want info on the online programs. I wonder why there are so many programs for online if no one uses them? Is it really just to take your money?

After doing your internet search, contact the individual program directors about whether they offer institutional letters if you do their "online" program. Ask about outcomes: how many people got into medical school after completing their course. How much are you willing to pay?

Examples
 
Something I haven't seen mentioned is that you can do a DIY post-bac through most four-year universities, including your state school. There is nothing keeping you from applying as a second bachelor's student and taking upper division sciences through online sections. If acceptance is an issue, you can use a community college for the same reason, but I imagine the kinds of classes you'd want to take would be limited in that case.

Given that you'd be an undergraduate student, you would also be within your right to ask for letters of recommendation from professors (although the ask will be taller and you will be expected to stand out through a medium that makes standing out harder), and you'd be able to use the prehealth committee if available.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but medicine is notoriously formal and elitist. The expectations are fairly classed, too. You will not be successful if you resist the rules, spoken or unspoken. Don't let them get you on a technicality.
 

After doing your internet search, contact the individual program directors about whether they offer institutional letters if you do their "online" program. Ask about outcomes: how many people got into medical school after completing their course. How much are you willing to pay?

Examples
are you an admissions counselor for med school? or just on this forum? and yes i already spoke to schools about their acceptance, demographics etc. i just wanted to talk to anyone who completed the program
 
Something I haven't seen mentioned is that you can do a DIY post-bac through most four-year universities, including your state school. There is nothing keeping you from applying as a second bachelor's student and taking upper division sciences through online sections. If acceptance is an issue, you can use a community college for the same reason, but I imagine the kinds of classes you'd want to take would be limited in that case.

Given that you'd be an undergraduate student, you would also be within your right to ask for letters of recommendation from professors (although the ask will be taller and you will be expected to stand out through a medium that makes standing out harder), and you'd be able to use the prehealth committee if available.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but medicine is notoriously formal and elitist. The expectations are fairly classed, too. You will not be successful if you resist the rules, spoken or unspoken. Don't let them get you on a technicality.
yes, i considred enrolling as second bachelor degree or non degree student. for now im going to go for my masters social work so that i have something i know i can work on and go back to completing pre med when i feel that i am ready
 
yes, i considred enrolling as second bachelor degree or non degree student. for now im going to go for my masters social work so that i have something i know i can work on and go back to completing pre med when i feel that i am ready
If I remember correctly the masters GPA is completely separate from the undergrad gpa so that will definately help for admissions if you do well. I would take some science courses and finish the prereqs after.
 
yes, i considred enrolling as second bachelor degree or non degree student. for now im going to go for my masters social work so that i have something i know i can work on and go back to completing pre med when i feel that i am ready

From your friend who thought he was going to be out of school for a semester and it turned out to be 10+ years, remember that, yes, medical school is always going to be there—but the education doesn't get any less daunting over time.

Whenever you do return, you're looking down the barrel of at least 8 years of your life doing pretty brutal training. Something no one told me was that the competition gets crazier every year. When I left college in 2015, the general vibe was that a ~500 MCAT score was "good enough" for an MD school, and the understanding I had was that the MCAT was largely a pass/fail kind of test if you weren't gunning for a major scholarship or something.

When I finally had the stability to refocus on my goal about two years ago, matriculant averages were ~509, more than a standard deviation. Today, most schools on the MSAR report MCAT medians in the 90th percentile. Throughout my time away, I worked in patient-facing roles for almost 20k hours. I did research with NASA; took on a political appointment on state government writing healthcare policy. When I came back, I graduated summa cum laude in neuroscience. I'm applying now and I still feel inadequate.

The imposter syndrome never goes away: you will always feel just slightly out of your depth. You'll never feel "ready," and you'll never develop enough safety to make the sting of working toward a goal that never materializes burn any less. You can spend your entire life "rehearsing" to be a pre-med and dance around just doing the damn thing for the rest of your life. As your same-age peers advance and finish their education, start families, etc. you might feel left behind, and even more so resentful toward a process that promised you "medicine is always going to be there" but failed to mention the barrier to entry would be twice as high. Consider also that policies have been squeezing both medical schools and students (by making funding a medical education increasingly impossible for students who are not already wealthy).

All of this to say: I understand your frustration with the process and your desire to seek safety and certainty in your life. I hope I could convey to you that while you think you are postponing a static goal, the reality is that a career in medicine is a constantly shifting goalpost that has become harder and harder for the average student to attain. In other words, if becoming a physician is your reason for waking up and getting out of bed in the morning, you should consider doing everything you can to follow Goro's advice for reinvention, get your letters, do the things as soon as possible...because it'll never be easier than it is right now.

I hope, if anything, that it gives you something to think about. Good luck...I hope whatever your decision is, that you can make peace with it.
 
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I did not do the UNE full post-bacc program but I did do a DIY post-bacc there for ~20 credits. In class was not an option for me. I had my reasons for it and knew that some schools would not accept it. I also knew that some schools did. I also did receive a committee letter from UNE. Message me if you have any additional questions.
 
From your friend who thought he was going to be out of school for a semester and it turned out to be 10+ years, remember that, yes, medical school is always going to be there—but the education doesn't get any less daunting over time.

Whenever you do return, you're looking down the barrel of at least 8 years of your life doing pretty brutal training. Something no one told me was that the competition gets crazier every year. When I left college in 2015, the general vibe was that a ~500 MCAT score was "good enough" for an MD school, and the understanding I had was that the MCAT was largely a pass/fail kind of test if you weren't gunning for a major scholarship or something.

When I finally had the stability to refocus on my goal about two years ago, matriculant averages were ~509, more than a standard deviation. Today, most schools on the MSAR report MCAT medians in the 90th percentile. Throughout my time away, I worked in patient-facing roles for almost 20k hours. I did research with NASA; took on a political appointment on state government writing healthcare policy. When I came back, I graduated summa cum laude in neuroscience. I'm applying now and I still feel inadequate.

The imposter syndrome never goes away: you will always feel just slightly out of your depth. You'll never feel "ready," and you'll never develop enough safety to make the sting of working toward a goal that never materializes burn any less. You can spend your entire life "rehearsing" to be a pre-med and dance around just doing the damn thing for the rest of your life. As your same-age peers advance and finish their education, start families, etc. you might feel left behind, and even more so resentful toward a process that promised you "medicine is always going to be there" but failed to mention the barrier to entry would be twice as high. Consider also that policies have been squeezing both medical schools and students (by making funding a medical education increasingly impossible for students who are not already wealthy).

All of this to say: I understand your frustration with the process and your desire to seek safety and certainty in your life. I hope I could convey to you that while you think you are postponing a static goal, the reality is that a career in medicine is a constantly shifting goalpost that has become harder and harder for the average student to attain. In other words, if becoming a physician is your reason for waking up and getting out of bed in the morning, you should consider doing everything you can to follow Goro's advice for reinvention, get your letters, do the things as soon as possible...because it'll never be easier than it is right now.

I hope, if anything, that it gives you something to think about. Good luck...I hope whatever your decision is, that you can make peace with it.
oh wow. i feel so honored talking to you. i wonder now what others on here have achieved bc of how competetive it is. I'm 28 so i am getting pretty old and feel already left behind but i still dont feel discouraged in focusing on premed courses whether its now or later. the msw will take me 2-3 years plus another to get licensed. so if i want to be realistic then i will probably be in med school with completed courses in my 30s. i know i will have to obviously work super hard but i've seen people (not that smart) BECOME DOCTORS AND LAWYERS LOL....it shouldnt be that hard if THEY also did. everyones journey is different tho so not everyone will get to the same destination in the same way 🙂
 
If I remember correctly the masters GPA is completely separate from the undergrad gpa so that will definately help for admissions if you do well. I would take some science courses and finish the prereqs after.
chatgpt just told me the same thing lolll do my msw, science courses during the summer and finish the rest after
 
oh wow. i feel so honored talking to you. i wonder now what others on here have achieved bc of how competetive it is. I'm 28 so i am getting pretty old and feel already left behind but i still dont feel discouraged in focusing on premed courses whether its now or later. the msw will take me 2-3 years plus another to get licensed. so if i want to be realistic then i will probably be in med school with completed courses in my 30s. i know i will have to obviously work super hard but i've seen people (not that smart) BECOME DOCTORS AND LAWYERS LOL....it shouldnt be that hard if THEY also did. everyones journey is different tho so not everyone will get to the same destination in the same way 🙂

No worries, I'm just a guy on the internet just like you, hoping my experiences and reflections can help someone out there.

I agree with you, everyone's journey is different, and that's why it's so perilous to compare your outcomes with the people around you.

Consider that the average medical student is upper-middle class, with at least one physician parent, and generally has not experienced socioeconomic challenges of any kind. The "winners" of the system are those who have the passive benefit of being well-connected and resourced; people whose academic careers were thoughtfully arranged by one or more parents who understand what a liberal education is and why it is important.

Think about what that does to a person. You're doing all this work to plan out the next decade of your life. Where would you have been had your parents planned your path to medical school from preschool? Maybe you would have the mental latitude to stress less, to take it easy, to know that your effort is strongly positively correlated to your success. You've got less to prove to others. You can take more risks because you know you can't fail that hard. You allow yourself to learn earnestly and make mistakes because nobody has ever faulted you for them, nor have you ever experienced serious life consequences for making them.

In other words, the people who have the most resources and have benefitted from them the most are also going to be the people who insist that it's really not that hard; that you just have to take the classes and sit for the exams and pull yourself up by your bootstraps and you will be successful. And that might have been true for them... but setting that injustice aside, what is also true is that resenting your own choices (or lack thereof) by comparison doesn't help you.

I have found working with patients that 99.999% of people are actually pretty insightful and have made logical decisions for themselves given their circumstances. I extend that grace to you, too. I imagine you are where you are because it made the most sense considering where you were, and that will probably be true into the future.

So, sure, maybe you'll be a medical student in your 30s and 40s. But it's going to be a life you chose and worked hard to manifest. The time will pass anyway. It's the life that makes you happy, so go for it! In the meantime, I'm confident you'll develop all kinds of important skills in social work.

This one is all projection, but I'll part with saying that you should never feel ashamed to lean on community. Whether you've made friends in tutoring, your extracurriculars, or just online in spaces like this—be open and vulnerable. Many of us are going through it alongside you, and genuinely want to see you succeed. :=|:-):
 
oh wow. i feel so honored talking to you. i wonder now what others on here have achieved bc of how competetive it is. I'm 28 so i am getting pretty old and feel already left behind but i still dont feel discouraged in focusing on premed courses whether its now or later. the msw will take me 2-3 years plus another to get licensed. so if i want to be realistic then i will probably be in med school with completed courses in my 30s. i know i will have to obviously work super hard but i've seen people (not that smart) BECOME DOCTORS AND LAWYERS LOL....it shouldnt be that hard if THEY also did. everyones journey is different tho so not everyone will get to the same destination in the same way 🙂
It just takes work, lots of it. And a much longer time horizon than people expect. One of the most common reasons ive seen people fail at this game is not being patient. People will apply without an application that is fully ready to go and end up screwing over their chances at getting in since schools will only really look at someone seriously twice in most cases. Therefore as my mantra goes "do not apply until it would be unreasonable that you would not be accepted"
 
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