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http://www.walgreens.com/images/pdfs/state.pdf

This is a great little document I found while doing a search for Walgreens Project One. Its 36 pages long but there is some interesting stuff here. It was published in January of 2007 and nicely explains the direction Walgreens is heading. In case anyone is wondering what Walgreens intentions are here is a gem of a quote from Don Huonker senior vice president of healthcare innovation for Walgreens. Open your eyes people! The goal of the big three chains is to get the highly paid Pharmacist out of the pharmacy.


Page 16: DON HUONKER: We have several initiatives as pilots to do just that. And I'll take a step further to advocate for tech-managed pharmacies. Inventory, labeling, third-party issues, workflow and other non-clinical processes could be handled by a pharmacy tech manager. Pharmacists could then do data reviews,
telepharmacy product checks, other drug monitoring, MTM, vaccinations and
in-depth counseling.

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Here are more great quotes. This whole document is nothing but a bunch of propaganda designed to fool people into thinking the POWER and PROJECT ONE programs are a good thing. It is clear Walgreens philosophy is to eliminate the Pharmacist from the pharmacy.

PAGE 30. The next pharmacy frontier is non-traditional drugstores. One pharmacy model with potential is telepharmacy, which is practicing pharmacy remotely to serve isolated areas that can’t support a pharmacist on staff. Instead, a pharmacist is available by phone to provide counseling when a script is picked up. Such a virtual pharmacy also helps ease the staffing crunch caused by the current pharmacist shortage, but will require state pharmacy board approval.

“Today the most pressing issue before state boards is national licensure,” says Luce. “With VISION and dynamic workload balancing, pharmacists can technically process work from any state. But will state boards allow it?”
Carmen Catizone, executive director of the National Association of Boards of Pharmacy, recently stated that “the day is rapidly approaching when pharmacists will be able to obtain a national license valid in multiple states…[F]orces outside the state pharmacy boards are pushing the issue.” “National licensure clearly has momentum,” adds Luce. “If we don’t craft it, someone else will.”
 
You need to join a fantasy football league. Might make your life less depressing.
 
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I have to agree in that pharmacists should be doing clinical things, not a) being on hold with third party payers, b) licking/sticking/peeling/pouring, or c) inventory.
 
this is nothing new

ive talked to the insiders and their "plans"
lots of it seems far fetched, but they discuss this in their jobs to devise more strategies that will cut off rph staff in my view...although they give me that typical BS of 'freeing up the rph to counsel more'

one key thing that they continue to run into are the various state boards of pharmacy, who frankly, are the major gap between their schemes going into play or not...who knows what happens in the future though
 
Wow, in order to write a whole 36-page document about this, some one at WAGS must be drinking the clinical Kool-Aid.

Seriously, I think these folks just think that patients are just so lazy that they'll walk right by every other group of medical practitioners -- who are all trying to take a bite out of this whole "medical team" approach apple -- and just follow the well-worn path to the same place where they buy their M & Ms, cigarettes and sunscreen to get their medical care.

Or else WAGS just thinks they can do it cheaper and that $$ is all that matters. Which actually might not be a stupid assumption.
 
You need to join a fantasy football league. Might make your life less depressing.

I won my league last year thanks. 500 bucks!

How does posting information about Walgreens plans make my life depressing? I am very worried about the profession. I still have a lot of years left in it. What Walgreens is doing with the POWER program and now Project One arevery concerning to me.
 
this is nothing new

ive talked to the insiders and their "plans"
lots of it seems far fetched, but they discuss this in their jobs to devise more strategies that will cut off rph staff in my view...although they give me that typical BS of 'freeing up the rph to counsel more'

one key thing that they continue to run into are the various state boards of pharmacy, who frankly, are the major gap between their schemes going into play or not...who knows what happens in the future though

You are right nothing new at all yet many of us are still not paying attention. I threw up this thread as a counter to the others going right now where everyone has their head in the sand assuming nothing will ever happen to retail pharmacy. It is happening right now at Walgreens.
 
you are right nothing new at all yet many of us are still not paying attention. I threw up this thread as a counter to the others going right now where everyone has their head in the sand assuming nothing will ever happen to retail pharmacy. It is happening right now at walgreens.

retail will never die!
 
You are right nothing new at all yet many of us are still not paying attention. I threw up this thread as a counter to the others going right now where everyone has their head in the sand assuming nothing will ever happen to retail pharmacy. It is happening right now at Walgreens.


Can you please link me to these threads? :laugh:😆
 
Yes... the retail setting does not seem to be heading in the right direction... and the Express Scripts/Medco merger will not help things.

Its sad to see medical professionals pushed around this way.

You dont see this with physicians or nurses, who's professional organizations seem to be much more organized than the 1 million Pharmacy organizations that seem more interested in shoving MTM down our throats than anything else
 
Yes... the retail setting does not seem to be heading in the right direction... and the Express Scripts/Medco merger will not help things.

Its sad to see medical professionals pushed around this way.

You dont see this with physicians or nurses, who's professional organizations seem to be much more organized than the 1 million Pharmacy organizations that seem more interested in shoving MTM down our throats than anything else

Do you think nurses have it better than pharmacists? I am not putting down nurses at all, but pharmacists have a pretty sweet deal compared to nurses.
 
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With Walgreens it will be change AND be eliminated. Why do you like how Walgreens thinks?

Dude, you are to this what Ross Perot was to NAFTA. You know, the giant sucking sound of Walgreens and Co. rectally blasting pharmacists any way possible... Great link BTW and seriously thank you for posting. It amazes me that any pharmacist or pharmacy student could a) not care or b) actually find a way to rationalize the "master plan".
 
I see opportunity.

When they have their "Tech run" pharmacies, we could come together and form pharmacist-run, pharmacist-owned independents where patients could have a "real pharmacist" do their prescription and counsel them in person.

If it gets to that...

...I don't see boards of pharmacies allowing something that extreme.
 
I see opportunity.

When they have their "Tech run" pharmacies, we could come together and form pharmacist-run, pharmacist-owned independents where patients could have a "real pharmacist" do their prescription and counsel them in person.

If it gets to that...

...I don't see boards of pharmacies allowing something that extreme.

I agree. I keep thinking that this could be an opportunity for independents again. I've been trying to convince myself that the public does care and would want a pharmacist on-site.

I also wonder what will happen to Walgreens if they are the first ones to eliminate pharmacists from the pharmacies. Seems like that could really backfire on them if the public does consider having a pharmacist there to be important. Could be a strong selling point for other pharmacies who could advertise that they still use pharmacists while Walgreens doesn't.
 
The problem with walgreen's "innovative" business model is that it offers no additional benefits for the consumers instead it gives less service for the same drug price. Want to speak with a pharmacist face to face? Want your prescriptions to be filled by the same in-store pharmacist? Nope, not at Walgreens.
 
I just realized that article is more than 3 years old. Wasn't the head guy of the POWER program fired a year ago? There's no point in trying to re-invent the wheel.
 
I just realized that article is more than 3 years old. Wasn't the head guy of the POWER program fired a year ago? There's no point in trying to re-invent the wheel.

No, he resigned. POWER is still around they just slowed the implementation down. Things did not go as smoothly as planned. I hear it is coming to Texas soon and it is still in Florida and Arizona.

Project One is their next initiative. The article is four years old as it was published in January of 2007 using 2005 and 2006 data. It lets us get a glimpse into what Walgreens was thinking when they were first designing these programs. You don’t have to read between the lines to understand what they are striving for. Its 36 pages but well worth the read.

The retail expansion in the late 90’s and early 2000’s caused a shortage and a subsequent demand for Pharmacists. Walgreens is trying to push it back the other way. I am all for expanding our scope and letting the profession grow. Walgreens is only concerned about letting their profits grow. This document is a blueprint on how they plan to eliminate Pharmacists from the Pharmacy. Read it….it is quite eye opening.
 
I see opportunity.

When they have their "Tech run" pharmacies, we could come together and form pharmacist-run, pharmacist-owned independents where patients could have a "real pharmacist" do their prescription and counsel them in person.

If it gets to that...

...I don't see boards of pharmacies allowing something that extreme.

We don't agree on much Mike but I am with you. I really believe the corporate chains are going to make independants profitable again. There are a few people out there that want service. They want to know their Pharmacist and they want to now who is filling thier prescriptions. The big chains could give a crap about these people. Independants however could be there to fill a need.

I like the way you think outside the box unlike most people on here.
 
Do you think nurses have it better than pharmacists? I am not putting down nurses at all, but pharmacists have a pretty sweet deal compared to nurses.

http://www.theredheadedpharmacist.com/?p=4475.


Redheaded pharmacist had a dismil post about this subject today. I'm not saying nurses have it easy, but look at their profession in recent years. They have nurse practitioners that can see patients an prescribe medication. They are increasing their role in health care whereas I feel like retail has been going in the wrong direction and devalued our services.

I hope all this does make independents more appealjng, I just worry that with all the insane pbm contracts they would have to sign would make it tough. Especially with the stuff caremark and I'm sure express scripts and Medcos merger will cut reimbursement even more
 
No, he resigned. POWER is still around they just slowed the implementation down. Things did not go as smoothly as planned. I hear it is coming to Texas soon and it is still in Florida and Arizona.

POWER was getting started and suddenly he resigned? Sounds like he was asked to resign or be fired. POWER started 4 years ago? I heard it was coming to California 3 years ago. Nothing yet.

Yes, click on the link. While it has 30+ pages, it has full page pictures and graphs. No intensive reading required.
 
http://www.theredheadedpharmacist.com/?p=4475.


Redheaded pharmacist had a dismil post about this subject today. I'm not saying nurses have it easy, but look at their profession in recent years. They have nurse practitioners that can see patients an prescribe medication. They are increasing their role in health care whereas I feel like retail has been going in the wrong direction and devalued our services.

I hope all this does make independents more appealjng, I just worry that with all the insane pbm contracts they would have to sign would make it tough. Especially with the stuff caremark and I'm sure express scripts and Medcos merger will cut reimbursement even more

I thought the post was going to be about nurses! :laugh:
 
I thought the post was going to be about nurses! :laugh:


Haha, sorry. I don't have any posts about that. I didn't mean that they have it easy. It's just frustrating when you see doctors and lawyers and other "professionals" and how they get treated. You can't go up to a lawyer and just ask them a quick question and not expect to pay them for their services. And you look at pharmacy and we are easily accessible and free, but no one puts any value on that information. Everyone just comes to expect it.

And when you look at nurses it just seems like their professional organizations are much more active than the pharmacy associations in looking out for the state of the profession. Its frustrating to see all the people who can prescribe drugs now.... Nurse practitioners, PA's, I think some states let psychologists if they take a few classes... all of them can prescribe. Then you look at us, doctors of pharmacy.... and we cant write for anything. Sure we have coumadin clinics and things like that... but with drugs like pradaxa and brilinta and the like coming out, they wont be around forever.

Hopefully we start to get to play an active role in a patient's healthcare in the retail and community setting. All throughout pharmacy school we learn how to manage diseases like HTN and diabetes, and then you go out to work in community and it seems like there is just so much untapped potential.
 
Okay, you, pharmacists, complain that this profession is going to the wrong direction. Would you please suggest your own model in which you think it can reshape this profession to the right direction?
 
Okay, you, pharmacists, complain that this profession is going to the wrong direction. Would you please suggest your own model in which you think it can reshape this profession to the right direction?

making sure incoming pharm students know how to use commas? :meanie:
 
con, 5min: can you two take this somewhere else? i hope you are not going to ruin another good thread with your back and forth.
 
I'd like to back peddle a little bit here from the negative view this thread has taken. I'll be the first to admit that our profession faces issues/problems that aren't being addressed- i.e. too many schools, slow economic growth, PBM pressures, chain pressures on staff etc.

We are not the only profession with problems and our profession will change with time as will any profession. People are inherently afraid of change as evidenced so far in this thread/message board. Sure there are some scary issues we're facing, but at the end of the day, I think we discount our value and what we really do in the pharmacy. I've worked with great techs, but they will never replace me, unless they get a Pharm.D. State boards of pharmacy's sole purpose is to protect the public. A lot of the crazy ideas being thrown around WILL NEVER FLY with the boards of pharmacy. They are an independent entity and not ran by any of the big 3 chains. Their sole concern is patient safety, end of story.

To address the Project One and hyperlink in this thread, one should take away several things. First, this is outdated data and the WAG CEO when this was written, is no longer with the company. Walgreens understands that the profession is changing and they must change their business model in order to survive. If they just stick back and have pharmacists count pills and do nothing else, then their business will inevitably fail. They stated 64% of their business was pharmacy. How are they going to continue to grow that business without pharmacists? We drive the business. I truly believe that WAG is one of the only companies trying to advance the profession right now as evidenced by the following:

1. Opening of compounding centers promoting compounding services across the nation. These centers have specialized compounding equipment and meds not found in most "typical" pharmacies.
2. Immunization centers that now offer any and all CDC recommended vaccines to state legal age appropriate groups. These include Flu, pneumo, zostavax, HepB/A, Tdap, HPV, MMR etc.
3. Nurse practitioner established clinics in-house to enhance patient care and collaboration with pharmacists.
4. MTM billable opportunities for interventions/recommendations/medication reviews.
5. Standing up to PBMs - refusal to accept below standard reimbursement rates that would degrade/devalue our profession. Basically, the rates in which express scripts wants to pay ~$5 gross profit per RX is not worth a pharmacists time. If other chains would take a stand, PBMs would have no choice, but to give us reasonable rates. WAG is also pushing 90 day at retail and wants to promote patient choice as to where they get their RX and not let the PBMs dictate where the patient must go. Low PBM reimbursement is actually driving chains to get creative to control their costs and the #1 controllable cost for any company is payroll. So figuring out ways to decrease that makes sense. But if we continue to accept low rates, what will happen? Less tech help, less RPhs etc. More people must stand up to PBMs. WAG sold their PBM because they believe we can cut costs by cutting out the PBM and directly administering a RX benefit for a company without a "middle man." Express scripts made nearly 3 billion gross profit in the trailing 12 months. That is a ridiculous amount of money for being a middle man that could be better spent by lowering healthcare costs.
6. Project One would put the pharmacist out from behind the counter and take away some of the mundane activities such as being the cashier, insurance billing, count pills etc. and would instead allow pharmacists to counsel patients, make OTC recommendations and do more clinical activities.
7. Every store will be CLIA waived by the end of the year and will offer fee for service point of care testing for blood glucose, A1C, blood pressure, cholesterol and bone density screenings.
8. Collaborative partnership with Johns Hopkins promoting pharmacist centered care http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5430

There are tons of other activities, but tell me what other chain is making this kind of push?

Other factors that will influence demand positively will be lower unemployment (employed people have insurance that go to the doctor and get RXs filled), national healthcare mandating coverage for 30 million uninsured. Along with an improved economy, older RPhs finally get to retire which is what most have been putting off because their 401K stinks right now, hopeful expansion in the scope of practice of a pharmacist, introduction of new blockbuster drugs going generic over the next few years will make medication copays more affordable. As for some people that think that brick and mortar buildings will go away... There are some things people just feel more comfortable doing in person. I wouldn't consult a doctor over the internet for treatment, buy a car without seeing it in person and most people prefer not to talk to automated 1-800 #'s nor wait weeks to get their medication that seems to get lost in the mail fairly frequently. I know I personally provide quality advice and service to my patients that can't be touched by a mail order pharmacist, but at the same time, I don't yield questions for RX meds that a patient doesn't get filled with my company.

Sorry for the long post, but I felt this post needed a devil's advocate.
 
In more positive news, the $4 list is getting scaled back at my chain. Most things eliminated were things that aren't used much. But, we pulled a few common things, including simvastatin. I suspect we are testing the waters to see if it can be eliminated. Not one complaint so far and we've been on the shorter list for a week.
 
i'd like to back peddle a little bit here from the negative view this thread has taken. I'll be the first to admit that our profession faces issues/problems that aren't being addressed- i.e. Too many schools, slow economic growth, pbm pressures, chain pressures on staff etc.

We are not the only profession with problems and our profession will change with time as will any profession. People are inherently afraid of change as evidenced so far in this thread/message board. Sure there are some scary issues we're facing, but at the end of the day, i think we discount our value and what we really do in the pharmacy. I've worked with great techs, but they will never replace me, unless they get a pharm.d. State boards of pharmacy's sole purpose is to protect the public. A lot of the crazy ideas being thrown around will never fly with the boards of pharmacy. They are an independent entity and not ran by any of the big 3 chains. Their sole concern is patient safety, end of story.

To address the project one and hyperlink in this thread, one should take away several things. First, this is outdated data and the wag ceo when this was written, is no longer with the company. Walgreens understands that the profession is changing and they must change their business model in order to survive. If they just stick back and have pharmacists count pills and do nothing else, then their business will inevitably fail. They stated 64% of their business was pharmacy. How are they going to continue to grow that business without pharmacists? We drive the business. I truly believe that wag is one of the only companies trying to advance the profession right now as evidenced by the following:

1. Opening of compounding centers promoting compounding services across the nation. These centers have specialized compounding equipment and meds not found in most "typical" pharmacies.
2. Immunization centers that now offer any and all cdc recommended vaccines to state legal age appropriate groups. These include flu, pneumo, zostavax, hepb/a, tdap, hpv, mmr etc.
3. Nurse practitioner established clinics in-house to enhance patient care and collaboration with pharmacists.
4. Mtm billable opportunities for interventions/recommendations/medication reviews.
5. Standing up to pbms - refusal to accept below standard reimbursement rates that would degrade/devalue our profession. Basically, the rates in which express scripts wants to pay ~$5 gross profit per rx is not worth a pharmacists time. If other chains would take a stand, pbms would have no choice, but to give us reasonable rates. Wag is also pushing 90 day at retail and wants to promote patient choice as to where they get their rx and not let the pbms dictate where the patient must go. Low pbm reimbursement is actually driving chains to get creative to control their costs and the #1 controllable cost for any company is payroll. So figuring out ways to decrease that makes sense. But if we continue to accept low rates, what will happen? Less tech help, less rphs etc. More people must stand up to pbms. Wag sold their pbm because they believe we can cut costs by cutting out the pbm and directly administering a rx benefit for a company without a "middle man." express scripts made nearly 3 billion gross profit in the trailing 12 months. That is a ridiculous amount of money for being a middle man that could be better spent by lowering healthcare costs.
6. Project one would put the pharmacist out from behind the counter and take away some of the mundane activities such as being the cashier, insurance billing, count pills etc. And would instead allow pharmacists to counsel patients, make otc recommendations and do more clinical activities.
7. Every store will be clia waived by the end of the year and will offer fee for service point of care testing for blood glucose, a1c, blood pressure, cholesterol and bone density screenings.
8. Collaborative partnership with johns hopkins promoting pharmacist centered care http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5430

there are tons of other activities, but tell me what other chain is making this kind of push?

Other factors that will influence demand positively will be lower unemployment (employed people have insurance that go to the doctor and get rxs filled), national healthcare mandating coverage for 30 million uninsured. Along with an improved economy, older rphs finally get to retire which is what most have been putting off because their 401k stinks right now, hopeful expansion in the scope of practice of a pharmacist, introduction of new blockbuster drugs going generic over the next few years will make medication copays more affordable. As for some people that think that brick and mortar buildings will go away... There are some things people just feel more comfortable doing in person. I wouldn't consult a doctor over the internet for treatment, buy a car without seeing it in person and most people prefer not to talk to automated 1-800 #'s nor wait weeks to get their medication that seems to get lost in the mail fairly frequently. I know i personally provide quality advice and service to my patients that can't be touched by a mail order pharmacist, but at the same time, i don't yield questions for rx meds that a patient doesn't get filled with my company.

Sorry for the long post, but i felt this post needed a devil's advocate.

+1
 
You do not contribute anything valuable to this thread. Go play your harry potter game.

yes grand master of the internets

bananaface said:
In more positive news, the $4 list is getting scaled back at my chain. Most things eliminated were things that aren't used much. But, we pulled a few common things, including simvastatin. I suspect we are testing the waters to see if it can be eliminated. Not one complaint so far and we've been on the shorter list for a week.

I was actually a fan of the $4 generic program, i remember seeing a lot of pt's who would benefit from it, but from a retail POV i can see the value issue.
 
In more positive news, the $4 list is getting scaled back at my chain. Most things eliminated were things that aren't used much. But, we pulled a few common things, including simvastatin. I suspect we are testing the waters to see if it can be eliminated. Not one complaint so far and we've been on the shorter list for a week.

That is interesting news! What chain do you work at?
 
A lot of the crazy ideas being thrown around WILL NEVER FLY with the boards of pharmacy. They are an independent entity and not ran by any of the big 3 chains. Their sole concern is patient safety, end of story. .

Wrong. Check out where the members of most State Board of Pharmacies work. They are full of corporate stooges from CVS and Walgreesn

To address the Project One and hyperlink in this thread, one should take away several things. First, this is outdated data and the WAG CEO when this was written, is no longer with the company. Walgreens understands that the profession is changing and they must change their business model in order to survive. If they just stick back and have pharmacists count pills and do nothing else, then their business will inevitably fail..

It is not outdated information. All of the things they talk about are currently happening at one stage or another. The transition to POWER was not as smooth and successful as they would have liked. However, they are still planning on rolling it out nationwide albieght at a slower pace than originally intended.

They stated 64% of their business was pharmacy. How are they going to continue to grow that business without pharmacists? We drive the business. I truly believe that WAG is one of the only companies trying to advance the profession right now as evidenced by the following:

1. Opening of compounding centers promoting compounding services across the nation. These centers have specialized compounding equipment and meds not found in most "typical" pharmacies.
2. Immunization centers that now offer any and all CDC recommended vaccines to state legal age appropriate groups. These include Flu, pneumo, zostavax, HepB/A, Tdap, HPV, MMR etc.
3. Nurse practitioner established clinics in-house to enhance patient care and collaboration with pharmacists.
4. MTM billable opportunities for interventions/recommendations/medication reviews.
5. Standing up to PBMs - refusal to accept below standard reimbursement rates that would degrade/devalue our profession. Basically, the rates in which express scripts wants to pay ~$5 gross profit per RX is not worth a pharmacists time. If other chains would take a stand, PBMs would have no choice, but to give us reasonable rates. WAG is also pushing 90 day at retail and wants to promote patient choice as to where they get their RX and not let the PBMs dictate where the patient must go. Low PBM reimbursement is actually driving chains to get creative to control their costs and the #1 controllable cost for any company is payroll. So figuring out ways to decrease that makes sense. But if we continue to accept low rates, what will happen? Less tech help, less RPhs etc. More people must stand up to PBMs. WAG sold their PBM because they believe we can cut costs by cutting out the PBM and directly administering a RX benefit for a company without a "middle man." Express scripts made nearly 3 billion gross profit in the trailing 12 months. That is a ridiculous amount of money for being a middle man that could be better spent by lowering healthcare costs.
6. Project One would put the pharmacist out from behind the counter and take away some of the mundane activities such as being the cashier, insurance billing, count pills etc. and would instead allow pharmacists to counsel patients, make OTC recommendations and do more clinical activities.
7. Every store will be CLIA waived by the end of the year and will offer fee for service point of care testing for blood glucose, A1C, blood pressure, cholesterol and bone density screenings.
8. Collaborative partnership with Johns Hopkins promoting pharmacist centered care http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5430.

This is evidencce of Walgreens ****ty business practices and years of siging crappy PBM contacts and a desparate attempt to make money somewhere anywhere. Walgreens can't or won't stop signing crappy PBM contracts. They cannot control the price they pay for drugs. Therefore they are contolling the only expense they can...LABOR! POWER and Project One's sole purpose and savings to the company will be reduced labor by cutting down the need for Pharmacists.

You know what I would like to do? I would like to be a Pharmacist who has an adequate amount of resourses and time to safetly fill prescriptions and counsel patients. Currently I am now where near being able to do this.
 
Wrong. Check out where the members of most State Board of Pharmacies work. They are full of corporate stooges from CVS and Walgreesn

Not in my state. No affiliation with any chains.


It is not outdated information. All of the things they talk about are currently happening at one stage or another. The transition to POWER was not as smooth and successful as they would have liked. However, they are still planning on rolling it out nationwide albieght at a slower pace than originally intended.

Do you have proof? POWER rolled out several years ago and last time I checked, it is still only in the 2 original states - Florida and Arizona. This would be one heck of slow roll out and why waste your money on Project One if POWER is where it's at?



This is evidencce of Walgreens ****ty business practices and years of siging crappy PBM contacts and a desparate attempt to make money somewhere anywhere. Walgreens can't or won't stop signing crappy PBM contracts. They cannot control the price they pay for drugs. Therefore they are contolling the only expense they can...LABOR! POWER and Project One's sole purpose and savings to the company will be reduced labor by cutting down the need for Pharmacists.

The average PBM (out of hundreds of contracts) pays about $14/RX gross profit. Express scripts is at about $7 gross profit and wants to go lower. There becomes a point where it is no longer worth your time. If no one takes a stance to PBMs, your right.... labor will be cut because the rest of the PBMs will see that if Express Scripts can only pay $5 per RX, then why can't they?

You know what I would like to do? I would like to be a Pharmacist who has an adequate amount of resourses and time to safetly fill prescriptions and counsel patients. Currently I am now where near being able to do this.

I currently have that time. It sounds like a personal time management issue. BTW, you should be a news reporter.... because you take information that is available publicly on walgreens.com, twist it, and think that Walgreens would have been so naive to post what you call their blueprint at eliminating pharmacist jobs right there for the whole world to see. The 36 page article is nothing more than their opinion as to where the future of pharmacy is going as highlighted by several of the things I listed in my previous post.

Project ONE is only available in a few stores in Chicago and some in Indianapolis. The pilot will run for 1 year and then the results be evaluated much like that of POWER to determine how well it worked. That doesn't mean it is getting rolled out nationwide. The company had to spend a few million per store to remodel and make changes for Project ONE. They actually increased tech budget by an average of 40 hours in this transition. Pharmacists are just being moved from behind the counter to in front of counter which makes them more available for patient services and the "future roles" they highlighted in your posted article. They still do data review, product review etc, but no longer deal with small things they can pay someone $10/hour to do.
 
They also understand the importance pharmacists play in driving their OTC business which is why Project ONE is being done. By making us out on the floor with the OTC products which we gross somewhere about 30-35% gross profit, we drive higher margin profits versus that of RXs (~20-23%) gross profit. Makes sense to me.
 
I dont believe pharmacists will ever get replaced by technicians. They just dont have the technical skills to.

Even verifying prescriptions that have been simplified for monkeys requires a thinking process that only a pharmacist have.

I will take it a step further. Inventory management, customer service, third process rejects, etc are best handled by a pharmacist. What I know and how I can service my customers beats any pharmacy technicians out there. However I delegate it to my technicians because it bests for the workflow. That is why I run the pharmacy.

Can there be super techs out there? Yes but not for the wages that Walgreens pay them.

PS. It sure would cost CVS a lot of money to do otherwise. They have been investing a lot into the development of pharmacist so they can be the driver of the business. This seems to be where they are heading also.
 
+1 for walgreens standing up to express scripts.

I would love to see other chains follow suit but I feel like the other chains will see this as an opportunity to gain some market share.

I have already seen a form at my store suggesting that express scripts will be mailing out $25 coupons to have patients from certain plans switch to a competing pharmacy as a solution for the inconvenience it may cause them to no longer be able to go to walgreens
 
Look at law school. People are still busting down the doors to get in even though the job prospects are dreadful after graduation. There is always another idiot to replace the other idiot. More schools opening will be the demise of pharmacy.
 
They actually increased tech budget by an average of 40 hours in this transition. Pharmacists are just being moved from behind the counter to in front of counter which makes them more available for patient services and the "future roles" they highlighted in your posted article. They still do data review, product review etc, but no longer deal with small things they can pay someone $10/hour to do.

They always do this when they transition...then after a few weeks/months they scale it back. The end game is that they will operate the pharmacy with fewer labor-hours.

I worked for Sav-On as a tech when CVS took over. Initially, they gave us something crazy like 30% extra hours AND we could work as much OT as we wanted. After 3 months, it was cut to current "unsafe for patient/heart attack for workers" levels.

I will give this nugget of information that I was given (recently) when I was working for CVS (i dont work for them anymore). I was at a district meeting (I was a PIC for them unfortunately) and they said they were planning on cutting down on a lot of the 24 hour stores(to 8a-10p) they had. The sole reason listed by the regional sup was and I quote "think of how much money we will save not having to pay those overnight pharmacists" The guy said it to a room full of pharmacists...

I was shocked at how brazen they guy was. I looked around the room and nobody even cared or seemed to notice. Most pharmacists are zombies.😀

Anyways, most of you are naive if you think your salary (if not your job) will not be under attack probably the rest of your career. Heck just from the economy alone it would be enough for most companies to trim anyway they can. Add on top of that there is the glutton of soon to be graduated rph's hungry for money to pay their massive loans.

On a side note did any of you dream of giving vaccinations and testing peoples blood pressure, A1C, cholesterol, WTF did I see bone density somewhere?, etc, when you were imagining your pharmacy career. I know I wasnt.
 
On a side note did any of you dream of giving vaccinations and testing peoples blood pressure, A1C, cholesterol, WTF did I see bone density somewhere?, etc, when you were imagining your pharmacy career. I know I wasnt.

May I ask what you were dreaming of?
 
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