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What do you guys think are some of the biggest mistakes when it comes to your AMCAS application and II? I know I can google this and get a bunch, but just wondering what your thoughts/experiences are with this.
 
Typos/grammar issues, lying about what you have done, being boring, giving weak letters, doing things just to check off boxes but not having passion about what you are doing.

A lot of people will say applying late, but the previous two cycles I submitted first day and this one I submitted late. This year has had a better response rate (double the interviews and double the waitlists). Nothing else changed on my application until AFTER I submitted it and IIs came in.

My mentor would say checking SDN is a horrible mistake to make unless you want to give yourself an ulcer.
 
What do you guys think are some of the biggest mistakes when it comes to your AMCAS application and II?
-Applying to so many schools that you can't maintain Secondary essay quality.
-Not returning Secondaries promptly.
-Including too many reach schools and not enough target schools.
-Failing to ensure that your Experiences match the stated mission of the schools picked.
-Applying to OOS schools with regional bias or those wanting state ties, when you don't fit those expectations.
 
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-Applying to so many schools that you can't maintain Secondary essay quality.
-Not returning Secondaries promptly.
-Including too many reach schools and not enough target schools.
-Failing to ensure that your Experiences match the stated mission of the schools picked.
-Applying to OOS schools with regional bias or those wanting state ties, when you don't fit those expectations.

1. Can anyone suggest an efficient way, or the fastest way, of finding out if a school has regional or in-state bias?
2. I heard a rumor that secondaries can sometimes be found on SDN, the school specific forums. What's an efficient method of finding those?
 
1. Can anyone suggest an efficient way, or the fastest way, of finding out if a school has regional or in-state bias?
2. I heard a rumor that secondaries can sometimes be found on SDN, the school specific forums. What's an efficient method of finding those?
1) Read the school selection factors in the MSAR.
2) Maybe someone would want to update this comprehensive list of Secondary prompts from a few years ago: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=10763720 The 2013-2014 PreAllo School Specific threads generally have the prompts near the beginning of each thread.
 
Applying late, especially if you're a borderline applicant. Yes, there are some schools that don't start interviewing until later in the season (I am attending one of them next year). However, there are many schools that start extending interview invitations early, and for those schools you face an uphill battle if they have already sent out half their IIs by the time you are even complete. In addition, the earlier you apply the smaller the pool you will be in from which IIs are selected.

I think the other big mistake I've seen has been serious interview flubs (ie: "Sorry, I can't think of anything, I'm not really the leader-type" when asked about a time they showed leadership and initiative in a group).
 
Applying broadly. MSAR really is your friend and its best to see what else is out there when it comes to applying. A lot of places have few state schools or schools that are very competitives (CA) and while you may think you're safe with your in state school, there are thousands who think the same thing so best to apply broadly.
 
Pull up a chair and grab a beer.

In the app process:

Do not aim for the wrong school out of ignorance (If you're not black, and have no history of service to the African-American community, it's unwise to apply to Howard. If you don't live on AL or NM, don't apply to those schools. They're highly state specific.
Writing a bad essay. If you can't spell and grammar check something as important as your essay, how can I entrust you with patient's lives. And for crissakes, take out school X's name when you're applying to school Y!
Being a cookie cutter for your ECs. Look, ECs are required, but not sufficient for getting into med school. We know many of you look at them as checking off boxwork. Hence, med schools get a gazillion apps with people who do 100 hrs of hospital volunteer work, 100 hrs of soup kitchen work, and 50 hrs of shadowing, plus two days of raising money for X charity. With 5000 applicants for 100-200 seats, do something that makes yourself stand out.

OK, I just found a post I made on a similar subject, so sorry for any redundancy

Do not apply until you have the best possible app
Do NOT take the MCAT until you're fully ready.
Make sure your LOR writers know you well enough to write a good LOR
ECs: While not required by med schools, they really are so make sure to have enough patient contact experience (volunteer or otherwise), have some research experience, and non non-clinical volunteer experience. Demonstrate your altruism and humanity.
Medical missions are not really useful unless you're actually digging water wells or delivering babies. We already know many of you go to Cozumel for spring break and call it "medical mission"
Don't bother with LOIs. They're worthless (unless the school specifically states that they welcome them).
KNOW what you're getting into.
1 or 2 Cs will not kill your medical career. Ditto W's.
It's OK to take coursework at CCs, especially if you're a non-trad, or doing grade repair, or are a transfer student from a CC with an AA/AS degree, going to a 4 year UG school.
The more eyeballs looking over your app, the better.
Worry about getting into medical school before worrying about your residencies/specialties.
Always remember it's a marathon, not a sprint. You're in this for the long haul.
Have or develop good coping skills
Have good time mgt skills. We expect you to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Invest in MSAR Online (it is your friend) and apply strategically. If you have an MCAT of 31 and GPA of 3.5, you're not getting into Harvard or UCSF. Rosy F or NYMC, most probably, and that's fine!
If you're a poor standardized test taker, get that fixed.
Don't have cookie cutter ECs. Do something that will make you stand out.
We're not impressed by double majors, or any minor. Take courses that interest you, and do well in them. THAT impresses us.
It's OK to be human. There are med schools that indeed reward reinvention. Rising trends ARE a good thing. People like underdogs and come from behind stories.
LEARN from your mistakes.

Do NOT bull your way through a semester if life throws you a bean-ball. Take the Ws, not the F/D/C.
Ditto for the MCAT. If you're sick that day, or your beloved dog dies, do NOT take the test. Or, void the test.
Do NOT take the MCAT cold! We consider poor choice making as a factor in who we accept. Prepare as needed. Take as many practice tests as needed.
If you're applying to MD schools, do NOT think that a high MCAT will overcome a poor GPA (or vice versa).
Do NOT go into Medicine if it's your parents' choice, and not yours.
Apply early. That's June or July for MD. June through Dec for DO.
Do NOT expect that one more LOR will somehow move you off of a wait list.
Do NOT re-take the MCAT if your score is >30, even if imbalanced, unless one score is <7-8. Retaking with a good MCAT score is an exercise in hubris. And spare us the "I got a 36 and I know I can do better" attitude; that's not healthy.
Do NOT be discouraged by rejection. Get feedback, improve on your deficits, and apply stronger the next cycle.
Do NOT apply to a school you have no intention of attending. Do your homework and think hard about living in X city for four years.
In that same vein, make sure you have a support group in the area. Homesickness is real.

At interviews, do NOT babble. Be concise. Display grace under pressure. Do NOT address the interviewer by their first name if they are Faculty. Know what's in your packet.
Pay attention. I reject people who start to answer a question and then ask "What was the question?" It IS OK to take a moment to compose yourself and ponder.
Do NOT lie.
Do NOT embellish.
Look over the Feedback forum for the types of questions asked at particular schools.
Make eye contact, even if this is not normal for your culture.
Ask questions of the interviewer(s). Surely there must be something about the school/area/student body that you need info on!


What do you guys think are some of the biggest mistakes when it comes to your AMCAS application and II? I know I can google this and get a bunch, but just wondering what your thoughts/experiences are with this.
 
So just wanted to get some advice on what you said and how it may pertain to me:
As for poor decisions and the MCAT, i improved from a 27 to a 33, pretty much the main reason was poor preparation the first time around. If my MCAT scores are brought up in any way during the interview, should I say that I didn't prepare well the first time around or avoid it?
As to your comment about do it for yourself, not your parents. I'm the first one in my family to get a college degree, I've thought about trying to weave that into my PS or secondaries but not sure how it would come across. Does it seem worth it to try and point this out or not?

Pull up a chair and grab a beer.

In the app process:

Do not aim for the wrong school out of ignorance (If you're not black, and have no history of service to the African-American community, it's unwise to apply to Howard. If you don't live on AL or NM, don't apply to those schools. They're highly state specific.
Writing a bad essay. If you can't spell and grammar check something as important as your essay, how can I entrust you with patient's lives. And for crissakes, take out school X's name when you're applying to school Y!
Being a cookie cutter for your ECs. Look, ECs are required, but not sufficient for getting into med school. We know many of you look at them as checking off boxwork. Hence, med schools get a gazillion apps with people who do 100 hrs of hospital volunteer work, 100 hrs of soup kitchen work, and 50 hrs of shadowing, plus two days of raising money for X charity. With 5000 applicants for 100-200 seats, do something that makes yourself stand out.

OK, I just found a post I made on a similar subject, so sorry for any redundancy

Do not apply until you have the best possible app
Do NOT take the MCAT until you're fully ready.
Make sure your LOR writers know you well enough to write a good LOR
ECs: While not required by med schools, they really are so make sure to have enough patient contact experience (volunteer or otherwise), have some research experience, and non non-clinical volunteer experience. Demonstrate your altruism and humanity.
Medical missions are not really useful unless you're actually digging water wells or delivering babies. We already know many of you go to Cozumel for spring break and call it "medical mission"
Don't bother with LOIs. They're worthless (unless the school specifically states that they welcome them).
KNOW what you're getting into.
1 or 2 Cs will not kill your medical career. Ditto W's.
It's OK to take coursework at CCs, especially if you're a non-trad, or doing grade repair, or are a transfer student from a CC with an AA/AS degree, going to a 4 year UG school.
The more eyeballs looking over your app, the better.
Worry about getting into medical school before worrying about your residencies/specialties.
Always remember it's a marathon, not a sprint. You're in this for the long haul.
Have or develop good coping skills
Have good time mgt skills. We expect you to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Invest in MSAR Online (it is your friend) and apply strategically. If you have an MCAT of 31 and GPA of 3.5, you're not getting into Harvard or UCSF. Rosy F or NYMC, most probably, and that's fine!
If you're a poor standardized test taker, get that fixed.
Don't have cookie cutter ECs. Do something that will make you stand out.
We're not impressed by double majors, or any minor. Take courses that interest you, and do well in them. THAT impresses us.
It's OK to be human. There are med schools that indeed reward reinvention. Rising trends ARE a good thing. People like underdogs and come from behind stories.
LEARN from your mistakes.

Do NOT bull your way through a semester if life throws you a bean-ball. Take the Ws, not the F/D/C.
Ditto for the MCAT. If you're sick that day, or your beloved dog dies, do NOT take the test. Or, void the test.
Do NOT take the MCAT cold! We consider poor choice making as a factor in who we accept. Prepare as needed. Take as many practice tests as needed.
If you're applying to MD schools, do NOT think that a high MCAT will overcome a poor GPA (or vice versa).
Do NOT go into Medicine if it's your parents' choice, and not yours.
Apply early. That's June or July for MD. June through Dec for DO.
Do NOT expect that one more LOR will somehow move you off of a wait list.
Do NOT re-take the MCAT if your score is >30, even if imbalanced, unless one score is <7-8. Retaking with a good MCAT score is an exercise in hubris. And spare us the "I got a 36 and I know I can do better" attitude; that's not healthy.
Do NOT be discouraged by rejection. Get feedback, improve on your deficits, and apply stronger the next cycle.
Do NOT apply to a school you have no intention of attending. Do your homework and think hard about living in X city for four years.
In that same vein, make sure you have a support group in the area. Homesickness is real.

At interviews, do NOT babble. Be concise. Display grace under pressure. Do NOT address the interviewer by their first name if they are Faculty. Know what's in your packet.
Pay attention. I reject people who start to answer a question and then ask "What was the question?" It IS OK to take a moment to compose yourself and ponder.
Do NOT lie.
Do NOT embellish.
Look over the Feedback forum for the types of questions asked at particular schools.
Make eye contact, even if this is not normal for your culture.
Ask questions of the interviewer(s). Surely there must be something about the school/area/student body that you need info on!
 
Regarding medical missions, I know they're generally looked down upon, but what if you did one that significantly influenced your future direction. Is it worth mentioning? I went on a medical mission my junior year that helped me decide that medicine was right for me. I now do full-time research with a doctor I met while on the mission.

Pull up a chair and grab a beer.

In the app process:

Do not aim for the wrong school out of ignorance (If you're not black, and have no history of service to the African-American community, it's unwise to apply to Howard. If you don't live on AL or NM, don't apply to those schools. They're highly state specific.
Writing a bad essay. If you can't spell and grammar check something as important as your essay, how can I entrust you with patient's lives. And for crissakes, take out school X's name when you're applying to school Y!
Being a cookie cutter for your ECs. Look, ECs are required, but not sufficient for getting into med school. We know many of you look at them as checking off boxwork. Hence, med schools get a gazillion apps with people who do 100 hrs of hospital volunteer work, 100 hrs of soup kitchen work, and 50 hrs of shadowing, plus two days of raising money for X charity. With 5000 applicants for 100-200 seats, do something that makes yourself stand out.

OK, I just found a post I made on a similar subject, so sorry for any redundancy

Do not apply until you have the best possible app
Do NOT take the MCAT until you're fully ready.
Make sure your LOR writers know you well enough to write a good LOR
ECs: While not required by med schools, they really are so make sure to have enough patient contact experience (volunteer or otherwise), have some research experience, and non non-clinical volunteer experience. Demonstrate your altruism and humanity.
Medical missions are not really useful unless you're actually digging water wells or delivering babies. We already know many of you go to Cozumel for spring break and call it "medical mission"
Don't bother with LOIs. They're worthless (unless the school specifically states that they welcome them).
KNOW what you're getting into.
1 or 2 Cs will not kill your medical career. Ditto W's.
It's OK to take coursework at CCs, especially if you're a non-trad, or doing grade repair, or are a transfer student from a CC with an AA/AS degree, going to a 4 year UG school.
The more eyeballs looking over your app, the better.
Worry about getting into medical school before worrying about your residencies/specialties.
Always remember it's a marathon, not a sprint. You're in this for the long haul.
Have or develop good coping skills
Have good time mgt skills. We expect you to walk and chew gum at the same time.
Invest in MSAR Online (it is your friend) and apply strategically. If you have an MCAT of 31 and GPA of 3.5, you're not getting into Harvard or UCSF. Rosy F or NYMC, most probably, and that's fine!
If you're a poor standardized test taker, get that fixed.
Don't have cookie cutter ECs. Do something that will make you stand out.
We're not impressed by double majors, or any minor. Take courses that interest you, and do well in them. THAT impresses us.
It's OK to be human. There are med schools that indeed reward reinvention. Rising trends ARE a good thing. People like underdogs and come from behind stories.
LEARN from your mistakes.

Do NOT bull your way through a semester if life throws you a bean-ball. Take the Ws, not the F/D/C.
Ditto for the MCAT. If you're sick that day, or your beloved dog dies, do NOT take the test. Or, void the test.
Do NOT take the MCAT cold! We consider poor choice making as a factor in who we accept. Prepare as needed. Take as many practice tests as needed.
If you're applying to MD schools, do NOT think that a high MCAT will overcome a poor GPA (or vice versa).
Do NOT go into Medicine if it's your parents' choice, and not yours.
Apply early. That's June or July for MD. June through Dec for DO.
Do NOT expect that one more LOR will somehow move you off of a wait list.
Do NOT re-take the MCAT if your score is >30, even if imbalanced, unless one score is <7-8. Retaking with a good MCAT score is an exercise in hubris. And spare us the "I got a 36 and I know I can do better" attitude; that's not healthy.
Do NOT be discouraged by rejection. Get feedback, improve on your deficits, and apply stronger the next cycle.
Do NOT apply to a school you have no intention of attending. Do your homework and think hard about living in X city for four years.
In that same vein, make sure you have a support group in the area. Homesickness is real.

At interviews, do NOT babble. Be concise. Display grace under pressure. Do NOT address the interviewer by their first name if they are Faculty. Know what's in your packet.
Pay attention. I reject people who start to answer a question and then ask "What was the question?" It IS OK to take a moment to compose yourself and ponder.
Do NOT lie.
Do NOT embellish.
Look over the Feedback forum for the types of questions asked at particular schools.
Make eye contact, even if this is not normal for your culture.
Ask questions of the interviewer(s). Surely there must be something about the school/area/student body that you need info on!
 
What do you guys think are some of the biggest mistakes when it comes to your AMCAS application and II? I know I can google this and get a bunch, but just wondering what your thoughts/experiences are with this.

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but applying late is probably the biggest mistake that anyone can make. Oh, and also the usual grammar, naming the wrong school in secondaries, etc. Btw, "II" means interview invite for SDN lingo. You'll know what I mean when fall rolls around.
 
That's a perfectly fine explanation.


As for poor decisions and the MCAT, i improved from a 27 to a 33, pretty much the main reason was poor preparation the first time around. If my MCAT scores are brought up in any way during the interview, should I say that I didn't prepare well the first time around or avoid it?

That's fine to mention this in PS.

As to your comment about do it for yourself, not your parents. I'm the first one in my family to get a college degree, I've thought about trying to weave that into my PS or secondaries but not sure how it would come across. Does it seem worth it to try and point this out or not?[/QUOTE]
 
Regarding medical missions, I know they're generally looked down upon, but what if you did one that significantly influenced your future direction. Is it worth mentioning? I went on a medical mission my junior year that helped me decide that medicine was right for me. I now do full-time research with a doctor I met while on the mission.

Not Goro, but look, you can use your own judgment here. I think what adcoms don't want to see is if you went on a box-checking week-long very expensive medical mission and then tried to write a novel out of it. If you had an experience that sparked a genuine interest and a long-term commitment, I don't see anything wrong with mentioning it.
 
Sure.

Regarding medical missions, I know they're generally looked down upon, but what if you did one that significantly influenced your future direction. Is it worth mentioning? I went on a medical mission my junior year that helped me decide that medicine was right for me. I now do full-time research with a doctor I met while on the mission.
 
Making it painfully obvious to adcoms that you're writing what you think they want to hear.
 
Being too humble with my experiences... Applying to med schools (and to any grad school or job) isn't the right time to be humble.
 
If your primary is submitted by early June but your MCAT score is not slated to return until August 12, is this on the late side for MD? (assuming you've prewritten secondaries and submit within a week of score return)
 
If your primary is submitted by early June but your MCAT score is not slated to return until August 12, is this on the late side for MD? (assuming you've prewritten secondaries and submit within a week of score return)
Yes. Extremely. You wouldn't be complete until late August. Turning around 2ºs in a week at that point would not be impressive.
 
If your primary is submitted by early June but your MCAT score is not slated to return until August 12, is this on the late side for MD? (assuming you've prewritten secondaries and submit within a week of score return)
IMO, which varies from above, if you got all supplemental materials in before Sept 1, you would not be "Late." All schools will not give you a Secondary invitation as quickly as you imply, though. While some schools send out Secondaries automatically, others do variable amounts of screening, which takes time when you are in the middle of the (virtual) application pile.
 
IMO if you got all supplemental materials in before Sept 1, you would not be "Late." All schools will not give you a Secondary invitation as quickly as you imply, though.
Okay yeah this. It would be extremely late by SDN standards, late by @LizzyM standards, and I guess not late by @Catalystik standards. Take it for what it's worth.
 
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