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Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone who has interviewed at BU can comment on their program. Anything regarding their strengths and weaknesses would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
Habari's site www.intransit.us has interview reviews on BU with some observations you might want to take a look at.
 
thanks ninebillion... I've already visited Habari's website and there is only one review on BU. I was hoping others here could add to it...
 
I'm probably biased because they unceremoniously rejected me right after the interview, but here goes...

If it's your only choice, and you're determined to do the PhD, take the position. But they are poorly funded, and you'll still end up paying a lot for your education (unless your lucky enough to get the full scholarship). If I had any other options, this reason would be enough to make me go elsewhere.

On the other hand, the school is in a great city, the clinical education they provide is very good, and the students are pretty cool. They also have a big class size, which is something that I find appealing because you don't have to worry about all your friends moving into clinical years while you stay behind.
 
BU was my first MD/PhD acceptance in the 1997-98 application cycle. Boy was I excited! Then, after I thought about it, I realized what a crappy deal it was for the reasons that ColdChemist cited.

Program strengths aside, the MD/PhD program is a rip off, big time! Even if you are one of the lucky two to get a "full" scholarship, you are only tuition free for the first two years and get ~$20,000/year off for the final two years of medical school. As anyone who has lived in Boston can attest, the expenses are very high.

If you are going to embark on the career of a physican scientist, you do not want over $100,000 of debt hanging over your head.

Save yourself the trouble, and go for the MD. Your debt will only be marginally higher.
 
Thanks ColdChemist and Gfunk6 for your input. Any one else care to share their thoughts?

It sounds like BU's lack of funding is its biggest problem.... I was wondering if this program had been a fully funded program, how is the curriculum itself(both MD and PhD parts) compared to other schools? Thanks!
 
I will be starting the MD/PhD program at BU starting next year, so I am clearly biased. However, with that being said I will tell you what I think about BU. I am currently a senior at BU in Human Physiology (graduating in 6 days). I absolutely love the school and that is the only reason I have decided to spend another 7-8 years here. First to answer the question about why BU doesn't have a MSTP. From what I have been told the answer is simple. They have had problems with people entering the program and then deciding to drop the PhD portion and just finish the MD. They were offered one or two MSTP stops a few years ago, but declined them because they either wanted the entire program to receive funding (about 8 spots a year) instead of just one or two, or to not receive and funding at all. As a result, the MD portion is only half funded by the program and there is no stipend during the MD years. This is clearly the biggest drawback of the program. On the other hand there are two main strong points for the program. BU ranks between the 85th and 90th percentile nationally in research grants and contracts per faculty and the school ranks in the 90th percentile for ratio of basic science graduate students per basic science faculty. Another distinguishing mark for BU is the current construction of a level four biosafety lab, only the third in the US. A little general info about BU's clinical training. BU's main teaching institute is Boston Medical Center, which boasts the largest Level 1 Trama Center in New England. This is a large public hospital that supplies care to populations in Boston with the highest need. As a result, students are allowed to do much more than at the majority of other surrounding teaching hospitals giving superior clinical training. This is about all the general info I have about the school, but I am interested in the PhD program in Anatomy and Neurobiology and can say a little more about this. The Department is well funded and rapidly growing in size. The newest addition to the department is a Center for Biomedical Imaging that opened last Feb. The center has one of the most advance 3T scanners built to date and has plans for a second 3T scanner and a 9.4T scanner for animal research. The department is also closely tied to two centers of excellent that I know of for Alzheimer's and Hypertension research. Additionally, the Department of Neurology is one of the top 10 funded Departments of Neurology in the US. That is about sums up everything I have to say, but I would be happy to answer any specific questions you may have about BU.
 
A 9.4T scanner!?!? I've never heard of such a thing! That's scary...I feel sorry for the animals.
 
coldchemist said:
A 9.4T scanner!?!? I've never heard of such a thing! That's scary...I feel sorry for the animals.

Holy ****, 9.4 Tesla!!! Pardon my ignorance, but does an increase in magnetic field gives a higher resolution on MR scan or better detection, or what? 😕 And aren't there some adverse effects on the animals being tested under such a high magnetism?
 
Yeah I have to say I was very surprised too when I heard they have plans for such a scanner, but I am pretty sure its true. The Chairman of the Anatomy and Neurobiology Department told me about it when I expressed interest in the new Center for Biomedical Imaging during my interview. Don't feel to bad for the animals though, because MGH has a 7T scanner that they use on humans. I talked to someone that has been in it and they said being moved into the the magent they got extremely dizzy. I think that is the highest field magnet in the US approved for human subjects. As for animals, I think Iowa has the highest field magnet at around 8T, but there may be others I don't know about.
 
A quick note about better resolution with high field magnets. I am definitely not a expert about magents, but last year I worlked at Yale's Olin Neuropsychiatric Research Center. There they have one of the lastest 3T scanners on the market and can get resolution of about 1 mm voxels at best. I have heard that with the 9.4T they expect resolution up to the micron level, but no one knows till they actually try it. Here is an article that was in our community newsletter:

It's all about image
New Medical Campus MRI scanner a boon to research and diagnosis

By Tim Stoddard

Visiting the new magnetic resonance imaging scanner at the Medical Campus is a bit like passing through airport security. Before stepping through a thick doorway into the specially shielded scanning room, where the scanner looms like a seven-foot-tall beige doughnut, pockets have to be emptied of coins, pens, and other metal objects. The ghost in the machine -- a multiton magnet -- is powerful enough to turn car keys into lethal projectiles.



In the new magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) center at the Medical Campus, Dae-Shik Kim stands next to a full-sized replica of a powerful new scanner that BU researchers will use to peer inside the human body. Kim, a MED associate professor of anatomy and neurobiology and director of the center, says the mock-up saves valuable scan time by helping patients acclimate to the tunnel before getting inside the real thing. Photo by Fred Sway


Dae-Shik Kim stands next to the whirring scanner like a proud father. ?This magnet is already producing the best images I've ever seen in MRI,? he says. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) uses magnetic fields and radio waves to create images of different tissues in the body without surgery, dyes, or radiation. Physicians use MRI to visualize anatomical structures, diagnose diseases and injuries, and to study physiological processes in real time.

A neuroscientist who recently joined the MED faculty as an associate professor in the department of anatomy and neurobiology, Kim is the director of BU's new Center for Biomedical Imaging. While clinicians at Boston Medical Center have been scanning patients with MRI for 12 years, the new center (which has not yet been officially named) will be the University's first dedicated to basic and clinical research. Located on the BioSquare campus in the basement of the Evans Biomedical Research Center at 650 Albany St., the facility is already up and running; Kim says investigators from the Charles River and Medical campuses can submit applications to use the scanner starting February 1.

In the control room adjacent to the scanner, Mark Moss, a MED professor of anatomy and neurobiology and chair of the department, points out other amenities, such as the 42-inch monitor for viewing subjects inside the scanner, the long laboratory next door, and the computer room, where investigators can pore over data. ?It's one of the most elegant imaging centers I've ever seen,? Moss says. ?Dae-Shik and I visited many facilities across the Northeast as we were planning this one, and BU's center takes advantage of all their attributes.?

The centerpiece is a state-of-the-art Philips Intera 3T scanner. Most hosptial MRI machines use 1.5T magnets, with magnetic field strengths of 1.5 tesla. This machine's magnet is more powerful, producing higher quality images that are pivotal in research. In a few years, Kim and Moss hope to add additional scanners, including a smaller, but more powerful, 9.4T machine that can resolve details on the micrometer level.

Try this out for size

One of the center's most important scanners doesn't have a magnet in it -- it's a full-scale mock-up of the Philips 3T that's hollow inside. The mock-up is essential, Kim says, for researchers planning experiments and for people preparing to go into an MRI machine for the first time. Researchers need to design new experimental devices that fit inside the tunnel of the scanner, and it's easier to tinker with devices away from the magnet.

As MRI machines go, Kim and Moss say, the Philips 3T is unusually welcoming and comfortable. ?The competing products are more intimidating than this one,? Kim says. ?This is as user-friendly as it gets.? The tunnel in the machine is shorter and more open than most, and its flared opening lets in ambient light. They plan to make the simulator even less intimidating to kids, Kim says, by covering the rim of the tunnel with ?stickers of astronauts and SpongeBob SquarePants and stuff like that.?

Not your neighbor's Oldsmobile

One of the best things about the new facility, Kim says, is its location. BU researchers have been using MRI since it emerged in the early 1980s, but until now they've had to jockey for time on scanners at other institutions, such as Massachusetts General Hospital's imaging facility in Charlestown and at McLean Hospital in Belmont. ?It's like using your neighbor's car,? Kim says. ?Even if they give you the keys, and say you can use it anytime, how realistic is that in practice? The BU researchers have ended up having the less-than-desirable scan times late at night, which is very difficult if you have patients.?

The new facility will be open to any researcher, with priority given to BU and BUMC faculty. A University steering committee with representatives from both campuses will meet monthly to discuss scanning policies and to schedule scan times. ?The basic policy now,? Kim says, ?is that BU investigators will have priority over non-BU people, and funded researchers will have higher priority over nonfunded people. But we will reserve some scan time for pilot studies. BU researchers can come in and use the scanner for free so that they can get preliminary data for their grant applications.?

The center has a close relationship with Philips, one of the leading manufacturers of MRI equipment. When most hospitals purchase an MRI machine, Kim says, they are limited in what they can do with it. ?It's all autopilot,? he says. ?You'll click on a brain menu in the control room, and it will tell you what kinds of brain-related scans you can perform. That's sufficient for most clinical use, where you have high turnaround of patients that you have to scan very quickly.?

But Kim and his colleagues at the center will work with Philips to push the scanning technology even further. With Itamar Ronen, a MED assistant professor of anatomy and neurobiology, Kim will develop new software to help BU researchers tailor the scanning technology to their particular questions.

Philips, meanwhile, is investing considerable energy and equipment in BU's center. ?We are the showcase for Philips in the Northeast,? Moss says, ?and our goal is that BU will be a major player in MRI development through our relationship with this company.? Indeed, Kim says Philips is already planning to bring potential clients to BU to see the MRI systems in action.

As the imaging center evolves, Kim and Ronen expect novel imaging techniques to continue to develop and grow. ?The beauty of MRI,? says Kim, ?is that there seems to be no end in sight for its uses.?

For more information on using the MRI scanner, e-mail Dae-Shik Kim at [email protected] .



Sorry this post was so long, but it sounded like a few of you were interested.
 
Thanks for the reply, Brainman (you into neuroscience?). 😀

So by cranking up the magnetism, you increase the detection/resolution up to micron level. Does that mean you can detect some single cell malignancy? awesome! 😎
 
ImmunoANT said:
So by cranking up the magnetism, you increase the detection/resolution up to micron level. Does that mean you can detect some single cell malignancy? awesome! 😎

If that is indeed the case, any chance that you might have any sensitivity and specificity numbers?

(OK, I'm excited too!)
 
JPaikman said:
If that is indeed the case, any chance that you might have any sensitivity and specificity numbers?

(OK, I'm excited too!)

Agree, might be touchy to call for any aberration. About sensitivity and specificity, well, signal-to-noise is always an issue in any instrument. I bet they must have worked out something... yeah, this is really cool, just imagine, it's another powerful tool for the in vivo study. 👍 :laugh:
 
Thanks for the reply, Brainman (you into neuroscience?).

Yes I am very interested in neuroscience. I am particularly interested in the flow of information through the motor system. The majority of my research has been examining the architecture of the primary motor, premotor, and cingulate motor areas demonstrated by immunocytochemical staining, but as I mentioned before I spent last summer at an Imaging Center. There I worked on an fMRI study looking at variations in the BOLD (Blood Oxygen Level Dependent) signal between schizophrenic patients and healthy individuals on a semantic memory task. That is were I learned the little that I know about MRI.


As for imaging single cells...

I think we are at least a little ways off from this. They are claiming that resolution at the micron level is possible, but this has yet to be proven as far as I know. The best resolution I have heard of is around .5 mm voxels, but I have not kept up on the MRI literature so I am not sure if recently better resolution has been accomplished. However, while this level of resolution appears on the horizon, it does not seem like we will be able to localize single malignant cells for quite some time. There are also some problems with the signal to noise ratio that have to be solved to allow for this high level of resolution.
 
a couple of things...

about BU. I didn't get a very good impression at all. The students did not seem very happy there, and most of the students I spoke to said that if they had gotten in anywhere else, they would have taken it. That doesn't speak to well of the program.

and about the funding... I received their 'full scholarship' offer (which i turned down), so here's the deal on that. they offer 1 or 2 in each incoming class. your tuition is covered in whole for 7 years. you receive a stipend (can't remember the exact amount) during the med years from the program, and the normal graduate stipend during the graduate years. the only problem is that the stipend is nothing even close to competitive with the other mstp programs, and definitely not enough to live off of in boston. (i know for sure it was no more than $10k/yr).

and about the 9T... there's already one in place at UIC, and it has been approved for use with humans. they have not yet placed a human, and the first person going in will be the director of their MR center. but the main idea is that you can image at levels never even conceived of before... (like the previous posts have already stated)
 
Thanks everyone for your comments! Can anyone comment on how BU compares to other non-MSTP or non-fully funded programs in terms of money given and curriculum?
 
In terms of money, BU stacks up poorly against non-MSTPs. Programs like Georgetown, SUNY-Buffalo, Temple, and others offer fuding equivalent to MSTPs. The only notable exception is that you are responsible for payback if you drop out of them.

In terms of curriculum, I'm not sure there are great differences between MD/PhD programs. Any strengths are mainly institution-dependent.
 
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