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Hi i'm having trouble truly understanding this and I am studying DAT Destroyer question to figure this all out. Sorry if this seems really elementary... my online digging has failed me and my textbook has not been able to fully help me understand this (or rather, i cannot seem to understand my textbook fully)

so here it is: [edited to make sense this time....also, i realized this question doesn't really have anything to do with optical activity...BUT I do have another question on OPTICAL ACTIVITY...i'm so sorry, i guess my head is just a mess with these topics and all the studying]

X Br2> Product A + Product B
CH2Br2
Which produces two diastereomers A and B?

a) methylenecyclohexane b) pentene c) 3-ethylcyclopentene d) pentene e) More than one of these

Ans. C

Reasons: book explanation (product)
a) not optically active (1-bromo-1-bromomethylcyclohexane)
b) Will have an enantiomer. Only 1 chiral carbon ((trans)-1,2-dibromopentane)
c) More than one chiral center exists, 2 diastereomers possible ((trans)-1,2-dibromo-3-ethylcyclopentane)
d) Will have an enantiomer only ((trans)-1,2-dibromocyclopentane)

My question: Why does answer d) not count? Are (cis)-1,2-dibromocyclopentane and (trans)-1,2-dibromocyclopentane equivalent in this case?

Opitcal Activity question

Which are optically inactive?

a) 4-methylhex-2,3-ene (is that right? CH3-CH=C=C(CH3)-C2H5
(Note: the red CH3 points into the page while the purple
H
points out of the page)

b) 4(S)-iodocyclohexene (I points into the page, while the H on C-4 points out of the page)

c) (cis)-1,3-cyclopentanediol (both OH groups pointing into the page)

d) (2R, 3R)-3-bromo-3-hydroxy-2-methylpropanoic acid

e) Two of these

Ans. C meso, achiral --> optically inactive

Why is B considered optically active with just 1 chiral center?

Also:
the situation with answer c) seems very similar, structurally, to answer d) from the previous question above... I'm thinking perhaps the reason is that with both chiral centers present (in answer c) here and answer d) from the above question), you get the same result when going right and left around the cyclic molecule from the chiral center. But that thinking only makes sense to me when explaining how those 2 chiral centers are the same for cis. For trans, wouldn't it be different because you run into a substituent that is pointing a different direction than the other substituent?

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Bump. Update.

So I believe diastereomers will have optical activity because with 2 stereocenters, you can have unequal amounts of R and S configuration.

But with enantiomers, i'm still not completely sure yet. Will look into it more.

Clarifications/explanations welcome 🙂
 
I do not understand your question. One compound by itself (Only R or Only S) can have optical activity in a mixture (unless it's achiral or meso compound). If there are more R compounds than S, it will also have optical activity, vice versa. Two compounds can be enantiomers or diastereomers. Enantiomers usually involve one chirality center (One is R configuration the other is S), while diastereomers have multiple chirality centers and differ at least one or more (but not all).

Edit* Racemic mixtures are 1:1 R and S.
 
I do not understand your question. One compound by itself (Only R or Only S) can have optical activity in a mixture (unless it's achiral or meso compound). If there are more R compounds than S, it will also have optical activity, vice versa. Two compounds can be enantiomers or diastereomers. Enantiomers usually involve one chirality center (One is R configuration the other is S), while diastereomers have multiple chirality centers and differ at least one or more (but not all).

Edit* Racemic mixtures are 1:1 R and S.

ya know what....i totally misinterpreted my notes, it made sense in my head, but what i did on my notes won't make sense to other people...i'll just state the original question and answers....
 
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One compound by itself (Only R or Only S) can have optical activity in a mixture (unless it's achiral or meso compound). If there are more R compounds than S, it will also have optical activity, vice versa.

So to verify, a molecule with just 1 chiral center is optically active? (or can be)

And if you have a molecule with 3 chiral centers, an enantiomer or diastereomer can be optically active?
 
In a solution if you have only one molecule that is completely separated from it's enantiomer, it will be optically active. (Or if it's in a ratio that's not 1:1). Because enantiomers cancel out each's others rotation. Half is -, Half is + so it will be 0.

However SN1 reactions can cause a chirality center, but since it can add either way (up or down), it won't be optically active because you will have even amounts of S and R.

If a molecule has 3 chiral centers all by itself in a solution, then yes it is optically active. But you cannot call it an enantiomer or diasteromer by itself. Since those require at least two molecules. What I am saying is a molecule that has a chiral center isn't an enantiomer. But two molecules can be enantiomers. Hope that makes sense lol.
 
i believe i'm understanding it more.

a solution with enantiomers cannot be optically active because of what you said, half will be +, half will be -. However, a solution of diastereomers can have an unequal ratio... woohoo.
Also, I believe i just finally figured out these 2 questions... woohoo!

for the 1st question (i feel dumb for this), the 1-carbon in answer choice D is not a stereocenter...so with only 1 stereocenter with chirality you can't have diastereomers.

for the 2nd question, 1,3-cyclopentanediol has a line of symmetry and thus, is superimposable on its mirror image. No Optical activity! No chirality!

Does anyone know why an ALLENE is optically active?
ANSWER: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=544227

Thank you SDN! lolol 😀
 
Yay congrats! Sorry I didn't explain the problems to you. I'm busy studying myself. But glad you're getting it!
 
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