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I'm an MS2 and I think I've finally realized that med school makes me very unhappy. I was happy in high school, happy in college, and now I just feel like s**t every morning deciding whether to go to class. I have friends in programs like pharm, nursing, psych, etc and they all have free time for friends and hobbies, like I used to in college.

I don't think it gets any better until after residency, and I don't know if I want to waste 6+ years of my life to find out.

The main reasons I'm still here are :

1. Social pressure (friends, parents, siblings would be shocked b/c I'm doing well so far)

2. Don't know what else I would do

3. The tuition already paid (I guess that's a sunk cost though)

4. Knowing that I'm capable of doing well, getting a good lifestyle specialty with good pay & hours

The social pressure is probably the biggest one because I feel like I'm living to meet other people's expectations of me rather than doing what makes me happy.

Anybody else feel this way? What did you do...?
 
You'll never reclaim your free time, but wait until third year to decide. It gets much better.
 
OP, I promise you you're not alone in hating this process. Also you're not wrong that it may get worse before it gets better. However it does get better, and while I know that 6 years seems like an eternity now it's really not that long in the grand scheme of things.

That's not to say you shouldn't pursue a better plan, if you have one, but just make sure you're not saving the next 10 years of your life by sacrifing the 40 years after that. Whatever you quit for needs to be something that at least seems viable in the long term.
 
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On what evidence do you base this statement?

In point of fact, I made two statements. Thus,

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Seriously though, a.) free time: I haven't met a whole lot of students/residents/fellows/attendings that have a load of free time as they did in undergrad, b.) third year: I'm a third year student, it is in fact better than second year.
 
Seriously though, a.) free time: I haven't met a whole lot of students/residents/fellows/attendings that have a load of free time as they did in undergrad, b.) third year: I'm a third year student, it is in fact better than second year.

I have met quite a few practicing physicians that have a lot of free time. The only thing is that none of them practice in academic medicine. Medical education give your a skewed perception of how much a practicing physician actually works.

Whether or not third year is better than second is obviously a matter of opinion. I have friends who talk about starting in the hospital like they were just released from prision. I believe they're sincere and I'm happy for them. I, personally, miss weekends and sick days much more than I like the work.
 
That feeling is very common. You are not alone. I couldn't wait to start med school but once things starting rolling it wasn't as epiphanic(?) as I imagined. Granted I'm only an MS1 and learning basic science stuff. Whoever compared it to "drinking from a fire hose" wasn't kidding.

This is what I do:
1) Find a good support system( And I don't mean facebook! ). This can be old friends,spouse, significant other, family, church etc.Talk to them from time to time. Join in the activities they invite you to. Make time for them. It really puts life in perspective and makes you see med school for what it is--a fraction of your life but not all of it. Life shouldn't stop because you're in med school. Some make med school their whole life but that doesn't mean you should.

2) Limit your med school friends. This is my biggest stressor.

3) Get a gym membership asap. Endorphins beat zoloft and prozac any day (unless you're clinically depressed of course). 30 mins of workout does wonders for me.
 
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If you drop out now you will always be looked at as "that guy who dropped out of medical school". Friends, family members etc will refer to you as the guy who gave up being a doctor because he didn't think he would like it. You may be happy for 6 months to a year down the road but I guarantee you will regret the decision. Follow through, get the diploma and then see what you think.
 
If you drop out now you will always be looked at as "that guy who dropped out of medical school". Friends, family members etc will refer to you as the guy who gave up being a doctor because he didn't think he would like it. You may be happy for 6 months to a year down the road but I guarantee you will regret the decision. Follow through, get the diploma and then see what you think.

Second this.
 
If you drop out now you will always be looked at as "that guy who dropped out of medical school". Friends, family members etc will refer to you as the guy who gave up being a doctor because he didn't think he would like it. You may be happy for 6 months to a year down the road but I guarantee you will regret the decision. Follow through, get the diploma and then see what you think.

That seems silly to me, I wouldn't stay in anything just because friends and family would consider me "that guy who dropped out of medical school" In fact, I would be ahppy that I realized it before I dropped several more thousands of dollars into a career I wouldn't be happy with. As cliche as it is I believe life is too short to not do what you want to do.
 
you will still be forever known as that guy and ask yourself "what if?" everyday
 
I'm an MS2 and I think I've finally realized that med school makes me very unhappy. I was happy in high school, happy in college, and now I just feel like s**t every morning deciding whether to go to class. I have friends in programs like pharm, nursing, psych, etc and they all have free time for friends and hobbies, like I used to in college.

I don't think it gets any better until after residency, and I don't know if I want to waste 6+ years of my life to find out.

The main reasons I'm still here are :

1. Social pressure (friends, parents, siblings would be shocked b/c I'm doing well so far)

2. Don't know what else I would do

3. The tuition already paid (I guess that's a sunk cost though)

4. Knowing that I'm capable of doing well, getting a good lifestyle specialty with good pay & hours

The social pressure is probably the biggest one because I feel like I'm living to meet other people's expectations of me rather than doing what makes me happy.

Anybody else feel this way? What did you do...?
I think many medical students think like that too.

Right, guys?
 
"I think many medical students think like that too.

Right, guys? "

I feel this can be explained with office space, if given a million dollars in my current state of mind, forging ahead and not looking back, I would do nothing....absolutely nothing. Or....there's always 2 chicks at the same time....

In all seriousness OP--we have these moments. It will pass...you will be okay. Talk to a counselor at your school, a friend, confidant--someone who will listen. Once you get it all on the table to someone else things become clearer.
 
At least wait until third year! I mean, as much as I hate the hours and the f***ing on-call weekends, getting up to take care of patients sure beats getting up to listen to some stupid lecture on carbohydrate metabolism. This is true even if you don't really like people/patients all that much.
 
4. Knowing that I'm capable of doing well, getting a good lifestyle specialty with good pay & hours

This.
Would you be happy knowing you were capable of doing and achieving so much more, but didn't for whatever reason ? Med school is a bitch, but asking yourself WHAT IF is far worse.
Stick it out, force yourself, finish what you started, be awesome. Sacrifice a few yours of your youth to get what you want. Per aspera ad astra 😛

I felt the same way, I took a year off and then I realized that there's nothing I would rather do, even if it means I have to sacrifice a few friendships, relationships and hobbies. Medical school is overwhelming and its so easy to get distracted and forget why you even wanted it. And if your only reason is social prestige or something like that....then yeah, you should rethink it.
 
At least wait until third year! I mean, as much as I hate the hours and the f***ing on-call weekends, getting up to take care of patients sure beats getting up to listen to some stupid lecture on carbohydrate metabolism. This is true even if you don't really like people/patients all that much.

I couldn't disagree more. You can listen to some stupid lecture on carbohydrate metabolism while you sip coffee and daydream about whatever the heck you want. That is much better than getting up at 5AM, going into the hospital, getting pimped, and not knowing the answers to any of the pimping questions because during the stupid lecture on carbohydrate metabolism you were sipping coffee and daydreaming about whatever the heck you wanted instead of paying attention.
 
Tangental to what NCgirl85 just said, is there any room in medicine anymore for 'taking care of patients' or is it just taking care of their symptoms and paperwork as fast as you can?

I know this is going to be taken the wrong way but sometimes I feel like I should have gone into nursing in an ideal world, but I can't stand how much BS, pseudoscience and politics is in that field.
 
You should finish medical school, man. You can look at plan B after you get your MD. I think a lot of us are in enough debt that dropping out would be potentially disastrous. I don't know if this is your situation, but you probably would keep regretting it if you dropped out without at least experiencing the field of medicine for a few years.
 
After talking to some trusted friends and mentors, I've decided to stay the course. I don't really have another passion that I would pursue if I dropped out. Ultimately, I'd be quitting b/c of burnout rather than because I didn't like medicine.

So... hope this is all worth it in the end.

now back to path.
 
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After talking to some trusted friends and mentors, I've decided to stay the course. I don't really have another passion that I would pursue if I dropped out. Ultimately, I'd be quitting b/c of burnout rather than because I didn't like medicine.

So... hope this is all worth it in the end.

now back to path.

Really nice idea. First two years SUCK...they are seriously horrible. Third year actually is better in a way because of less studying but it also sucks because you will be working your ass off. 4th year is awesome along with being an attending. Burnout is real and when you feel it coming on STEP BACK and take a day or two off. Set aside time for yourself every day because the work never ends.

You might want to finish this year, take Step 1, and then take a year off if you can do this financially. I know multiple people who did this and were fine during 3rd year. This is really if you feel like quitting though.
 
I'm an MS2 and I think I've finally realized that med school makes me very unhappy. I was happy in high school, happy in college, and now I just feel like s**t every morning deciding whether to go to class. I have friends in programs like pharm, nursing, psych, etc and they all have free time for friends and hobbies, like I used to in college.

I don't think it gets any better until after residency, and I don't know if I want to waste 6+ years of my life to find out.

The main reasons I'm still here are :

1. Social pressure (friends, parents, siblings would be shocked b/c I'm doing well so far)

2. Don't know what else I would do

3. The tuition already paid (I guess that's a sunk cost though)

4. Knowing that I'm capable of doing well, getting a good lifestyle specialty with good pay & hours

The social pressure is probably the biggest one because I feel like I'm living to meet other people's expectations of me rather than doing what makes me happy.

Anybody else feel this way? What did you do...?


i would honestly give a testicle to have your situation. I am very serious when I say that.

however, you MUST DO WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY. Do not do what you are doing for anyone else. You have to do it for yourself.

based on what you say, i say avoid medication. your depression is not chemically based, it is situationally based. you MUST fix your situation if it is the source of your depression. This is the only way my friend. What makes you happy in life? Do you even know? What are the most important things to you in life? If you don't like medicine, why subject yourself to a life of practicing it? Also remember, you don't have to do this your whole life either.

Just think long and hard, if you do decide to leave, let your family know they can adopt me and I will go to school in your place if they pay the bill, I will also give up a testicle in exchange as previously stated.
 
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update: It's barely been a few days since I decided to keep going, and I already had a near breaking point today.

I was sitting in micro lab, about to start a procedure that I had no idea how to do or cared to do, already behind b/c I messed up the procedure from last week. Everyone around me was rushing around frantically, and I couldn't take it anymore.

So I went outside and laid down for about 15 minutes. Was *this* close to just getting in my car and driving far far away.

Somehow I finished w/ the help of lab TAs after the lab emptied out.

So now I'm at home, knee deep in lectures to study. (the prof. didn't even bother covering his scheduled lecture "there's too much to cover in 1 hour")

Just another day in medical school I guess.
 
I'm an MS2 and I think I've finally realized that med school makes me very unhappy. I was happy in high school, happy in college, and now I just feel like s**t every morning deciding whether to go to class. I have friends in programs like pharm, nursing, psych, etc and they all have free time for friends and hobbies, like I used to in college.

I don't think it gets any better until after residency, and I don't know if I want to waste 6+ years of my life to find out.

The main reasons I'm still here are :

1. Social pressure (friends, parents, siblings would be shocked b/c I'm doing well so far)

2. Don't know what else I would do

3. The tuition already paid (I guess that's a sunk cost though)

4. Knowing that I'm capable of doing well, getting a good lifestyle specialty with good pay & hours

The social pressure is probably the biggest one because I feel like I'm living to meet other people's expectations of me rather than doing what makes me happy.

Anybody else feel this way? What did you do...?

1) Yes, I feel this way. I think things will get better.

Adjusting to MSII myself. A lot of changes from MSI, so it's hard to tell how the work load will end up on average. Yes, the time suck began right away on day 1.

All in all, it still sucks. But I thought MSI would improve post-anatomy, and it did. I thought MSII would be better than MSI, and... hard to be sure, but I think it is.

I predict MSIII will be MUCH better than MSII... and I'm pretty confident in that. Just knowing myself, I knew what kind of courses I would hate or struggle with, and what kind of courses/tasks I would take to.

(For ex, there are ppl who claimed med school would only get harder after anatomy... and it never did for me. Anatomy was the height of difficulty in terms of raw memorization. Every other course- even micro- was tempered somewhat in that there were patterns I could glom onto, to memorize things within a framework.)

In terms of MSIII, I'm almost certain it will be great for me for 2 reasons: (1) A LOT of the complaints I've heard fr ppl who seem to dislike MSIII seem to be complaints that could apply to ANY job; i.e. "work is tiring/work hrs suck" (it's still not manual labor!), "my supervisor unfairly evaluates me" (interpersonal probs/social politics- again, present in every workplace). Having worked in the "real world" before school, I think I will be spared this particular aspect of the angst.

(2) Feeling useful. Whether it's interacting with patients or conversing with colleagues, every day will hold some degree of unpredictability, challenge, and value. Also, I like learning through being pimped... much easier to stay alert vs in a huge lecture... Better than pre-clinical yrs? I THINK SO.

So, that was long-winded. But basically it boils down to this: Only you know yourself. Do you think things will improve for you in MSIII? How about MSIV and beyond?

Whether things will get better and better depends on your likes, your past experiences. Knowing things will improve is so important for me. If I wasn't on an upward trajectory, med school would be much less tolerable.

2) IT'S A HOOP!

That's all it is!

So, 2nd Q: Do you want to jump through it and get the MD diploma?

Sometimes, I feel myself getting caught up in the whole "med school culture". There are ppl who are fascinated by minutiae I couldn't be less interested in... and they make me question myself, since I'm nowhere near as interested.

There is plenty of fluff busywork (aside fr actual relevant coursework) that adds to the stress of trying to learn the latter, and at first I tried to put 100% of my efforts into even the busywork. When the payoff wasn't that great (I realized I didn't actually learn that much or gain that much), part of my early idealistic enthusiasm for med school quickly eroded. Med school/medical education is this giant behemoth that struggles to change, to be "new", but really it doesn't. It's the same disorganized bureaucratic heap across the country (or so it appears, fr ppl's common complaints on here...). It's the same amt of material forcibly fed down our throats, no matter where we go. It's memorization. This ain't college or a time for exploration/creativity.

Let another previous poster said... all of it just wasn't as "epiphanic" as I had envisioned. 😉

Perhaps I was an idiot in thinking med school would be a place to get in-depth, "real" understanding/knowledge, satisfy intellectual curiosity, etc. But there you go. It is what it is.

And again, feeling as "let down" as I did, and seeing others who appeared on the surface to be quite "satisfied" with their education, that just made me feel worse. Like there was something wrong with me.

Then I withdrew myself from the whole culture of that environment a bit, and I realized... it doesn't matter how ppl front (or even if they actually truly enjoy the drudgery)... I'm getting the MD for myself, for my own future and what I want to do.

Like others have said, spending time in the "real world" with non-med school ppl helps in that realization. Don't feel a need to "live and breathe" med school. And to me, this doesn't necessarily relate to how much you study either. You could study a LOT, or most of the day, yet not feel "stressed" by the culture/expectations, as long as you ground yourself outside that environment.

Don't get caught up in your peers or in social expectations or pressures... even the "internal" pressures from thinking you're "supposed to" enjoy something just 'cuz your peers *appear* to be.

At the end of the day, I do want to jump through that hoop. There's a host of reasons for that. Don't forget all the benefits of the profession as well as any native interest you have/ever had for the work itself that you will be doing.
 
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1) Yes, I feel this way. I think things will get better.

Adjusting to MSII myself. A lot of changes from MSI, so it's hard to tell how the work load will end up on average. Yes, the time suck began right away on day 1.

All in all, it still sucks. But I thought MSI would improve post-anatomy, and it did. I thought MSII would be better than MSI, and... hard to be sure, but I think it is.

I predict MSIII will be MUCH better than MSII... and I'm pretty confident in that. Just knowing myself, I knew what kind of courses I would hate or struggle with, and what kind of courses/tasks I would take to.

(For ex, there are ppl who claimed med school would only get harder after anatomy... and it never did for me. Anatomy was the height of difficulty in terms of raw memorization. Every other course- even micro- was tempered somewhat in that there were patterns I could glom onto, to memorize things within a framework.)

In terms of MSIII, I'm almost certain it will be great for me for 2 reasons: (1) A LOT of the complaints I've heard fr ppl who seem to dislike MSIII seem to be complaints that could apply to ANY job; i.e. "work is tiring/work hrs suck" (it's still not manual labor!), "my supervisor unfairly evaluates me" (interpersonal probs/social politics- again, present in every workplace). Having worked in the "real world" before school, I think I will be spared this particular aspect of the angst.

(2) Feeling useful. Whether it's interacting with patients or conversing with colleagues, every day will hold some degree of unpredictability, challenge, and value. Also, I like learning through being pimped... much easier to stay alert vs in a huge lecture... Better than pre-clinical yrs? I THINK SO.

So, that was long-winded. But basically it boils down to this: Only you know yourself. Do you think things will improve for you in MSIII? How about MSIV and beyond?

Whether things will get better and better depends on your likes, your past experiences. Knowing things will improve is so important for me. If I wasn't on an upward trajectory, med school would be much less tolerable.

2) IT'S A HOOP!

That's all it is!

So, 2nd Q: Do you want to jump through it and get the MD diploma?

Sometimes, I feel myself getting caught up in the whole "med school culture". There are ppl who are fascinated by minutiae I couldn't be less interested in... and they make me question myself, since I'm nowhere near as interested.

There is plenty of fluff busywork (aside fr actual relevant coursework) that adds to the stress of trying to learn the latter, and at first I tried to put 100% of my efforts into even the busywork. When the payoff wasn't that great (I realized I didn't actually learn that much or gain that much), part of my early idealistic enthusiasm for med school quickly eroded. Med school/medical education is this giant behemoth that struggles to change, to be "new", but really it doesn't. It's the same disorganized bureaucratic heap across the country (or so it appears, fr ppl's common complaints on here...). It's the same amt of material forcibly fed down our throats, no matter where we go. It's memorization. This ain't college or a time for exploration/creativity.

Let another previous poster said... all of it just wasn't as "epiphanic" as I had envisioned. 😉

Perhaps I was an idiot in thinking med school would be a place to get in-depth, "real" understanding/knowledge, satisfy intellectual curiosity, etc. But there you go. It is what it is.

And again, feeling as "let down" as I did, and seeing others who appeared on the surface to be quite "satisfied" with their education, that just made me feel worse. Like there was something wrong with me.

Then I withdrew myself from the whole culture of that environment a bit, and I realized... it doesn't matter how ppl front (or even if they actually truly enjoy the drudgery)... I'm getting the MD for myself, for my own future and what I want to do.

Like others have said, spending time in the "real world" with non-med school ppl helps in that realization. Don't feel a need to "live and breathe" med school. And to me, this doesn't necessarily relate to how much you study either. You could study a LOT, or most of the day, yet not feel "stressed" by the culture/expectations, as long as you ground yourself outside that environment.

Don't get caught up in your peers or in social expectations or pressures... even the "internal" pressures from thinking you're "supposed to" enjoy something just 'cuz your peers *appear* to be.

At the end of the day, I do want to jump through that hoop. There's a host of reasons for that. Don't forget all the benefits of the profession as well as any native interest you have/ever had for the work itself that you will be doing.


good post. NEVER MEASURE YOUR SUCCESS ON ANYONE ELSE'S.

if you do, you will always be disappointed. that is like comparing your grades to everyone else. the reality is, some people just "get" things or guess well etc. they end up doing well on certain subjects. i would never let my friends/family tell me how to live or what to do with my life. that is just ridiculous. you know you, nobody else knows you and what you enjoy.

if you feel that you hate medicine and want out, then you make that decision based on your internal happiness. do not allow someone else to dictate what will make you happy in the long run or you will be miserable.

great post above about MSIII, there are so many politics in the hospital. when people finally start working real jobs, they are mindblown. college is this whole mental freedom that spares you so much crap and when you get to the real world it mind-f*cks you.

medicine has a lot of politics, the way you are evaluated will boil down to a person's 15 minute interaction with you. it is total nonsense and you gotta jump through all the hoops. there are many years of eating a **** sandwhich. you need to ask yourself why medicine? the money isn't there and is diminishing. at least you have your school paid for. so really dig deep as to why medical school is right for you. you could be at a low point. if you had a gf supporting you through i am sure you would make it through easier.

hang in there, get in front of the mirror, looking into your own eyes and soul and ask yourself what it is you truly want.
 
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