Ortho programs w/ Stipend

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Hi,
I am applying this year for Ortho this year and I am pretty cash poor right now since 4 years of dental school and all the loans can do that. I would like to get into any program obviously, but ideally I would like to go to a program that offers a stipend. Are there any programs that anyone knows about that offers this? It would really make my life better during my residency to get paid, especially since there are programs out there that charge a fortune.
Thanks

 

[Hysteria24]

I don't know how up to date this web page is, but it conveniently lists all the ortho programs along with info about them like tuition/stipend.

http://www.braces.org/studentsteachers/careers/orthodontistcareer.cfm

 

[PulpalExposure]

Yeah, I looked at the AAO site, too. I know for my school, the information is 2 years old. I would call the programs directly to find out. There really isn't any other way to be sure, unfortunately...

PE

 

[Yang]

Hi,
I am applying this year for Ortho this year and I am pretty cash poor right now since 4 years of dental school and all the loans can do that. I would like to get into any program obviously, but ideally I would like to go to a program that offers a stipend. Are there any programs that anyone knows about that offers this? It would really make my life better during my residency to get paid, especially since there are programs out there that charge a fortune.
Thanks

You are right about the fact that there is a big variation among the cost of ortho programs. I understand that a lot of us base our decision on that but keep in mind that happiness for two or three years in a program is the most important factor.

 

[charlestweed]

Hi,
I am applying this year for Ortho this year and I am pretty cash poor right now since 4 years of dental school and all the loans can do that. I would like to get into any program obviously, but ideally I would like to go to a program that offers a stipend. Are there any programs that anyone knows about that offers this? It would really make my life better during my residency to get paid, especially since there are programs out there that charge a fortune.
Thanks

I had similar concern and was cash poor like you when I applied for ortho several years ago. I was very lucky that I went to a program that charged very low out-of-state tuition fees. I think stipend and non-stipend programs are equally difficult to get in. You should apply to as many programs as possible. In my opinion, ortho is the best specialty in dentistry. It is worth it to spend $200k-300k so you can have the job that you will enjoy for the rest of your life.

 

[gryffindor]

These programs pay you enough to live on if you are single:
Montefiore
St. Barnabas
Maimonides
Albert Einstein (Philadelphia)
Eastman
Mayo Clinic
Vanderbilt
Children's National Medical Center

The pay varies from low 20k to high 40k.

There may be a few others, but those are the ones I'm aware of that provide a reasonable salary that would preclude taking loans if you are single.

 

[rollredroll]

i don't really belong here as i'm a lowly pre-dent, but living in nashville i can say that vanderbilt's ortho program isn't exactly a program. i don't even think they have a faculty.

 

[nug]

These programs pay you enough to live on if you are single:
Montefiore
St. Barnabas
Maimonides
Albert Einstein (Philadelphia)
Eastman
Mayo Clinic
Vanderbilt
Children's National Medical Center

The pay varies from low 20k to high 40k.

There may be a few others, but those are the ones I'm aware of that provide a reasonable salary that would preclude taking loans if you are single.

When did Vandy start paying a stipend? I was under the impression that they charged tuition; Not much, something like 10k per year. But then I was looking at braces.org and they pay 28k per year. When did that happen?

 

[gryffindor]

When did Vandy start paying a stipend? I was under the impression that they charged tuition; Not much, something like 10k per year. But then I was looking at braces.org and they pay 28k per year. When did that happen?

Scroll to the bottom of the page where it says "Expenses." Stipends were announced Fall 2007.

http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/root/vumc.php?site=orthodontics&doc=8592

As far as the predent from Nashville, I would ignore his interpretation of the program and go check it out for yourself if you get invited to interview.

 

[setdoc7]

St. Barnabas in the Bronx pays over 40K. There are still some resonable rents here. Bus ride to Yankee Stadium. Half hour to Manhattan.

 

[prophy king]

In reference to the predent, I have a friend at Vanderbilt who recently told me the program is really on the rise with the hiring of a new full time and several new part time faculty plus stipend and a remodeled clinic

Like the previous post said, you have to go see programs and judge for yourself

 

[texas_dds]

i can say that washington is good about letting people switch to in-state after one year. this is only true for residents, undergrads and dental students have to stay out of state the whole time. This saved me over 12K a year!

 

[vorosvirag]

i don't really belong here as i'm a lowly pre-dent, but living in nashville i can say that vanderbilt's ortho program isn't exactly a program. i don't even think they have a faculty.

Young Mr. Roll,

You may be right, though it sounds like you're mostly wrong. Nashville appears to be on the up and up.

A friend of mine attending the Mayo Clinic told me a story relating to their faculty. One day a Tweed man (Jim Vaden) from Memphis, TN visited the department in Rochester, MN and asked this friend where all the faculty were. This fellow explained that at the moment none were in the clinic. Vaden stated that was unacceptable and would never happen in Memphis at his program.

My friend and the chief resident at the time explained that plenty of GPs learn ortho without anywhere near the supervision and length of program. They see tons of patients (including lots of surgeries and craniofacial stuff) at Mayo and do have faculty. Perhaps not the same number as at Memphis or other places. But they do have independence and are very competent when they graduate. Many of their residents have been in the military of private practice for several years. This friend of mine was a stallion!

I'd exchange some faculty (especially slow-as-molasses, stuck-in-the-past ones) in an instant for autonomy and the ability to experiment with various systems without tight controls from folks who in some cases aren't adequately up to speed on current techniques (Tweed is ridiculous), appliances, and technology.

My point is you will learn how to do ortho well anywhere you go if you apply yourself and treat lots of cases. Lots of part-timers is better than lots of full-timers. Some full-timers is better than no full-timers. Some full-timers is better than too many full-timers. All you need is gentle guidance, not overbearing control during residency.

Once you get hammered on in dental school (and it will happen), predent Roll, you'll likely figure out that you just want the opportunity to learn in a comfortable environment.

Hopefully, Nashville is one of those comfortable places. I know Griff and another person there who are doing just fine. You take the good with the bad, and above all are simply grateful to be in ortho.