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Been speaking to some people from this program.

The oshner health care system in New Orleans is teaming up with one of the top Australian Uni's for 2 yrs in Oz, finish in the states type deal

LOOKS AWESOM! and what a place to be!
Plus Oshner - cant beat that. They rank high every year.

Anyone else know about the Osher program. Seems very Quality.

-Marlyn 😍
 
oschner is a pretty reputable clinic. i lived in new orleans for a bit.
 
so what's the deal...are you FMG status if you do this program? Will it be accredited by the US? Oscher is a really good hospital in NOLA...
 
so what's the deal...are you FMG status if you do this program? Will it be accredited by the US? Oscher is a really good hospital in NOLA...

Yes, grads will be FMGs because they will be getting an Australian degree.

No, it will not be accredited by the LCME because the program is Australian.

The program was set up by the University of Queensland as a route to help American grads get back to the US. To date, N. Americans studying med in Australia have either stayed here, or have been allowed by their schools to complete one or more clinical terms back home before returning once they graduate (the more done back home, the better come residency application time -- all the older graduate med schools here allow this). As post-graduate training spots dry up in Australia with increasing domestic graduates, increasingly N. Americans will have to return home for residency.

The UQ/Ochsner structure is akin to that of the Carib schools, in that students do their first two years outside the US, then all their clinicals in the US. The main diff with the Ochsner program is that it's part of a traditional foreign university, and the first such program in the US. That doesn't mean it's better than the Carib schools, several of which have a very good track record of placing grads, but it's another route for those who don't wish to go to a Caribbean island either due to location or any perceived stigma or because they're not seeking a backup school.

On the other hand, UQ, as its Ochsner program, doesn't teach to the USMLE Step 1. Australian schools teach less basic sciences than American schools, and Ocshner has essentially the same curriculum as UQ (out of necessity -- the program wouldn't have been accredited here as part of UQ if it didn't), so students need to supplement their studies with preparation for the exam. UQ has promised and been organizing tutorials and exam prep help, along with time off to prepare, but I don't know how the specifics are evolving. However, it's at least not an untrialled situation, as Australian grad schools have been placing smaller numbers of N. Americans back home for over a decade.

UQ/Ochsner is also costly (~$50k per year for four years, which is incidentally about what St. George's charges).

I personally think the UQ/Ochsner program was marketing brilliance, and I have (and do) support its creation. Whether it's appropriate for you, however, is a different question. Do your research into all your options, and do what fits you and your goals best.
 
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Yes, grads will be FMGs because they will be getting an Australian degree.

No, it will not be accredited by the LCME because the program is Australian.

The program was set up by the University of Queensland as a route to help American grads get back to the US. To date, N. Americans studying med in Australia have either stayed here, or have been allowed by their schools to complete one or more clinical terms back home before returning once they graduate (the more done back home, the better come residency application time -- all the older graduate med schools here allow this). As post-graduate training spots dry up in Australia with increasing domestic graduates, increasingly N. Americans will have to return home for residency.

The UQ/Ochsner structure is akin to that of the Carib schools, in that students do their first two years outside the US, then all their clinicals in the US. The main diff with the Ochsner program is that it's part of a traditional foreign university, and the first such program in the US. That doesn't mean it's better than the Carib schools, several of which have a very good track record of placing grads, but it's another route for those who don't wish to go to a Caribbean island either due to location or any perceived stigma or because they're not seeking a backup school.

On the other hand, UQ, as its Ochsner program, doesn't teach to the USMLE Step 1. Australian schools teach less basic sciences than American schools, and Ocshner has essentially the same curriculum as UQ (out of necessity -- the program wouldn't have been accredited here as part of UQ if it didn't), so students need to supplement their studies with preparation for the exam. UQ has promised and been organizing tutorials and exam prep help, along with time off to prepare, but I don't know how the specifics are evolving. However, it's at least not an untrialled situation, as Australian grad schools have been placing smaller numbers of N. Americans back home for over a decade.

UQ/Ochsner is also costly (~$50k per year for four years, which is incidentally about what St. George's charges).

I personally think the UQ/Ochsner program was marketing brilliance, and I have (and do) support its creation. Whether it's appropriate for you, however, is a different question. Do your research into all your options, and do what fits you and your goals best.


Wow thank you for the information! That was really detailed and consise.

Going to med school in Australia would be fun (at least I thinK), so I will check this out.
 
Wow thank you for the information! That was really detailed and consise.

Going to med school in Australia would be fun (at least I thinK), so I will check this out.

Pitman - I agree with everything you are saying and can add to it as well.

We are getting support from UQ vis-a-vis USMLE prep. I currently lead the 1st year tutorials and those will be a paradigm in place from now on. The 2nd year are also getting tutes from 3rd and 4th years who did well on the step (and I am enjoying attending those as well). We get a copy of FA (which I managed to lobby the 1st year students to get along with the Kaplan QBook) and then USMLEWorld and Kaplan online QBanks in second year. There is still more work to do and much room to make this more robust, but we are establishing a nice paradigm for ourselves which the SoM is helping us to realize.

There are obviously drawbacks to being an FMG (and you will be an FMG) but overall I think the program is a good option. I will second pitman's advice that you must do your research and decide if it is the best for you on an individual basis.

In terms of cost, the school has changed policy and now tuition is in USD which is very helpful considering how crappy the american economy is these days. And yes, it is pricey, but on par with top private schools and with Carribbean schools. As of now, we still get federal student loans and go through with FAFSA and FFELP.

In regards to the stigma, I think it is something we as students have the opportunity to define ourselves. This is new enough that people back home are honestly interested. With all our clinical experience (save 1 rotation in 4th year where we have to come back to Oz) at Ochsner, we have a seriously good clinical pedigree. If the first few cohorts come through with great step scores and land great residencies right out of the gate, then I think THAT will be the bar that is set and we can rightfully stay away from being clumped in with Caribbean schools and "backup" schools. I can honestly say our goal is to make this a reasonable first option and not just a backup school and that with the amount of work the first 3 cohorts are putting into this, is certainly very possible.
 
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