Done searches and read the thread from 4 years back, looking to see if any osteopathic grads or current residents have any reviews about osteopathic anesthesia places. Im applying both md and do and know the general consensus is md is far better then do both teaching board cert and location but I'm just looking for some reviews on the osteo programs. I know people say stay away from the Cali program but why? Thanks in advance
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Look at RCRMC's pass rates for written (76%) and orals (47%).
View attachment AOBA_2011_Pass_Rates.pdf
Grandview is an excellent program and has 100% pass rate for both exams.
View attachment AOBA_2011_Pass_Rates.pdf
Grandview is an excellent program and has 100% pass rate for both exams.
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I wouldn't say they had a "problem" they've always had a PD but he's an M.D. (Dr Pan) and he's a great guy. I heard that a recent grad was going to be the new pd soon but I don't know for sure. I'd have no hesitation about going to grandview if you are looking into AOA Anes programs. It's a solid program with 100% pass rate. Their alumni haven't had any problems landing good jobs around the country.
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I graduated from The POH program in 2009 and have been on staff there since. I can tell you with certainty that the pass rates listed for our program are highly inaccurate and I will call the AOBA on Monday to see if I can correct this. I have known everyone that has completed the program since 2005. We are a small program, only 2 residents per year. We have had a 100% pass rate on the written exam during this time. I know of only one person that did not pass the oral exam on the first attempt. Part 3 has also been passed by everyone that has taken it. Also be aware that AOA programs have a tendency to be spoken of very negatively on these boards, so keep that in mind when looking at old posts.
Thanks for your post! I am a third year DO student in michigan and have been looking at programs in michigan and have been discouraged by the lack of good information that is out there about them. The general consensus that I have gotten so far is that the DMC and Grandview in OH are about the only good DO programs and one should aim for allo programs out side of that. The sad part is I'm hearing this from attendings at my base hospital as well. I would love some good accurate information from someone who knows the programs and can tell me what the positives and negatives are. I can't feasibly rotate through all of them as I can only have 12 weeks of any one specialty. Can anyone give good information about the osteo programs?
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Isn't DMC new?
I thought the one in Lansing was decent. POH seemed tiny. I can't say anything about board pass rates if those stats arent true. Grandview seemed to be competitive and Doctor's seemed decent since they shipped you out to a local Level 1 and pedi at Nationwide, too.
If you want you can email me. I am a CA-2 at Doctors hospital in Columbus OH. We Stay local. We get 4 months at Nationwide Children's Hospital and multiple months at Grant Medical Center. We get 6 months of electives in our CA 3 year.
At Grant we get plenty of trauma and run the SICU. We get neuro, trauma, regional and plastic months all day long. We also have protected time. You will get plenty of chair time. I did around 11-1200 cases last year. I performed over a 100 blocks not counting OB.
Best of luck and hope you land a spot.
At Grant we get plenty of trauma and run the SICU. We get neuro, trauma, regional and plastic months all day long. We also have protected time. You will get plenty of chair time. I did around 11-1200 cases last year. I performed over a 100 blocks not counting OB.
Best of luck and hope you land a spot.
Thanks! That is something that worries me because I am pretty certain I want to do a critical care fellowship. Also, I'm married and have a 2 year old so being shipped out somewhere is not ideal if its not within reasonable commuting distance.
Thanks! DMC is technically new but essentially the same as the Wayne State DMC program. Plus, they don't ship you anywhere bc everything needed is there...peds, CC, trauma etc. One of the attendings from my base hospital graduated from there in the last year or so and he is a great anesthesiologist. He said they have the same didactics, clinical exposure, call schedule etc as the Wayne group. I haven't seen or talked to anyone about the Lansing program so don't know much......
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Had a buddy who rotated through POH and DMC this recent year. His take was POH was good but the teaching aspect was hit or miss depending on if the resident/attending you were with wanted to teach. He said some did some didn't.
DMC on the other hand he said had great volume but there was a weird rift between the MD program and the DO program that supposedly resulted in the splitting of the programs into two separate entities how they pretty much are now. Teaching was the same, hit or miss depeding on the individual.
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We do send our residents out for peds, ob, hearts and sicu. Peds is at children's hospital of Michigan in Detroit, about 20 miles south. Sicu and ob are at the DMC, about 20 miles south. Cardiac is in Flint, which is only about 20 miles north. My point is that although you are going to another hospital for these rotation, it is not always that disruptive to your life. All of my residents have families and houses that they bought and are not taken away from these during rotations.
Thanks! I do not mind being sent to different places, just as long as I can drive there. I want to be able to come home and see my family at the end of the day. I want to know that I will be getting a good education and be well versed in what ever gets thrown at me. How is POH in regards to out rotations.....in the sense that can you match if you haven't rotated with them? I have heard this is the hardest part about getting an osteo spot. I can't possibly rotate through every osteo program I will be interested in applying to and since they only take a couple a year I am sure they get alot of very qualified applicants each year.
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South Pointe in Cleveland uses CCF for hearts and SICU. CCF, in conjuction with Ohio University are opening a new medical school together at South Pointe slated for 2014. South Pointe also has the only D.O. peds gas fellowship, but it's actually at the children's hospital in Akron (30 miles south). Like most of the others, it's a very small program (2 yearly) and has its limitations. However, all the graduates seem to procure satisfactory jobs and/or fellowships. Anyone desiring more info can let me know.
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If you have to send residents out for pedes, OB, hearts, and SICU should you even have a program?
Hey Bobby,
Your comment is quite helpful.... This topic invariably divulges into an AOA program inadequacy fest each time it comes up. Let's try not to do that for once. The OP has already stated "the general consensus is md is far better then do both teaching board cert and location." Thus, I don't feel it needs to be broached here, but feel free to start your own thread so I can again read about how I'm unfit to be a physician.
That said, I would argue training at multiple sites perhaps affords greater educational value than stagnating under a single entity. But maybe I'm just a romantic.
Your comment is quite helpful.... This topic invariably divulges into an AOA program inadequacy fest each time it comes up. Let's try not to do that for once. The OP has already stated "the general consensus is md is far better then do both teaching board cert and location." Thus, I don't feel it needs to be broached here, but feel free to start your own thread so I can again read about how I'm unfit to be a physician.
That said, I would argue training at multiple sites perhaps affords greater educational value than stagnating under a single entity. But maybe I'm just a romantic.
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Well, we do everything at our hospital over than Hearts and OB. We are a level 2 trauma center in downtown pontiac. Our trauma program is busy and our patient population is that of any other inner city hospital. Our robotics program fairly large. We also do a great deal of ortho, and are very heavy into regional. We are not perfect, there is no perfect program. We train capable competent anesthesiologists. Everyone has obtained work in the areas they desire, including Cali, Vegas, NY City, Tampa, and of course here in Michigan. There has also not been any trouble with fellowships either, with recent graduates going into pain and cardiothoracic at Loyola. I assure you that if we shouldn't have a program the AOA would shut us down.
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Thanks Spandex!! I rarely even post on these threads because it always turns into a huge bashing session.
I find it funny that other physicians still find the need to talk down to others because of differences in training. What ever you gotta do to feel good about yourself. If you are comfortable in who you are and confident in your abilities what does it matter.
I rotate with OSU guys and never would dream of talking down to any of them if they had poor skills or a failure to know an academic point. The reason why is we are in this together. We teach and learn form on another.
I am proud to be a DO and happy to be in my residency. Life is good.
I rotate with OSU guys and never would dream of talking down to any of them if they had poor skills or a failure to know an academic point. The reason why is we are in this together. We teach and learn form on another.
I am proud to be a DO and happy to be in my residency. Life is good.
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I know the guys at south pointe, and I'd take them in a heart beat over any of the gas passers at the level 1 trauma allopathic hospital I'm currently at. Hands down, great group of guys, and they train their guys very well.
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I am a OSU DO, too. I am certainly proud to be a DO. That has nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.
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If you have to send your residents out for every possible rotation, what do you really offer them? A lot of DO programs burn their residents in a 1000 general cases a year, with no neuro, no hearts, no trauma, etc.
I think that has a taste of some fairness in it. What they offer me is a view of the real world and private practice anesthesia. I get to look outside my own door and find there are multiple ways of doing things. I won't be inbred to this way or that way. The U of M way or MSU way. I refuse to fit in a box. I can take from a larger practice population and find what works for me.
I however get neuro at GMC, I get hearts, SICU and run trauma's in the ED and then care for them in the OR. I get to do FAST scans and manage the trauma service. Regional all day long. Nation wide is a great place. I don't feel second class at all.
Are there some things I will likely never do? Yes, no LVAD or liver transplant. I read the same texts and cover the same material. Is there less time to read? Yes, but I am driven and manage to read and press hard now. I can get a fellowship through the military all day long if I choose to in light of recent developments.
Anyway best of luck to you OSU. Looking forward to MSU vs OSU this year.
I however get neuro at GMC, I get hearts, SICU and run trauma's in the ED and then care for them in the OR. I get to do FAST scans and manage the trauma service. Regional all day long. Nation wide is a great place. I don't feel second class at all.
Are there some things I will likely never do? Yes, no LVAD or liver transplant. I read the same texts and cover the same material. Is there less time to read? Yes, but I am driven and manage to read and press hard now. I can get a fellowship through the military all day long if I choose to in light of recent developments.
Anyway best of luck to you OSU. Looking forward to MSU vs OSU this year.
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