Osteopaths at the Olympics

[Johnny Appleseed]

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I thought this article was worth a look for pre-osteopaths. It says olympic athlete's (specifically gymnasts) top request from doctors was OMT therapy. Also the weird circles on Michael Phelps during the Olympics were from something called cupping...

Here is an excerpt from the article....

Cupping, an ancient remedy using heated glass cups to create rehabilitative suction, is having a moment thanks to the circular bruises sported by Michael Phelps and other prominent athletes. The treatment is offered at the four high performance health centers at the Olympic Games.

Rebeccah Rodriguez, DO, medical director of the Team USA high performance center, says cupping is believed to revitalize muscles. "We regularly use cupping to facilitate muscle recovery for our Olympians," she said. "The ancient therapy is most often used in conjunction with other techniques including osteopathic manipulation, practiced by osteopathic physicians."

Anyone know if "cupping" is taught at DO schools?? Sounds pretty interesting to me...

 

[CCmetal94]

Cupping is not taught in DO school. Cupping is almost certainly a bunk treatment, and has nothing to do specifically with osteopathic medicine. This DO promoting it is just like an MD promoting homeopathy or something. That said it is nice to see DO's treating Olympic athletes.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

Cupping is not taught in DO school. Cupping is almost certainly a bunk treatment, and has nothing to do specifically with osteopathic medicine. This DO promoting it is just like an MD promoting homeopathy or something. That said it is nice to see DO's treating Olympic athletes.

I kind of figured cupping was far fetched and not based in research... but hey it didn't seem to hurt Phelps! OMT, on the other hand, seems to be supported by an abundance of research.

 

[samac]

That DO talking about cupping is giving other DOs a bad name. Get outta here with that pseudoscience bs. And take cranial with you.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

That DO talking about cupping is giving other DOs a bad name. Get outta here with that pseudoscience bs. And take cranial with you.

Not promoting/supporting cupping at all. Just curious about what it is and why a DO treating Olympians was discussing it.

 

[samac]

Not promoting/supporting cupping at all. Just curious about what it is and why a DO treating Olympians was discussing it.

Oh no I'm not saying you are, I just don't like it when I see DOs out promoting pseudoscience. Our profession has came a long way in the past 30 years, and those before me have fought to get us equal rights. I get that it's just one DO and not a whole profession similar to an MD supporting homeopathy, but their profession as a whole doesn't have an uphill battle they've been fighting. This just doesn't help our case. Absolutely nothing against you, just this DO in particular.

 

[cliquesh]

Oh no I'm not saying you are, I just don't like it when I see DOs out promoting pseudoscience. Our profession has came a long way in the past 30 years, and those before me have fought to get us equal rights. I get that it's just one DO and not a whole profession similar to an MD supporting homeopathy, but their profession as a whole doesn't have an uphill battle they've been fighting. This just doesn't help our case. Absolutely nothing against you, just this DO in particular.

A lot of medicine is pseudoscience or subjective. Medicine isn't a real science by any means.

 

[Marrowist]

Yawn

 

[el_duderino]

Cupping is not OMT.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

Cupping is not OMT.

I see that now. After a quick google search I realize it is basically pseudoscience. The way it was phrased in the article led me to believe it was more "legit" than it really is.

 

[Goro]

And Chapman's points!

That DO talking about cupping is giving other DOs a bad name. Get outta here with that pseudoscience bs. And take cranial with you.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

So let me get this straight....

Cupping = B.S. not even taught at DO schools not part of OMT
Cranial Osteopathy = B.S., but taught in DO schools and part of OMT
Chapman's Points = B.S., but also taught at DO schools and also a part of OMT

 

[mcloaf]

So let me get this straight....

Cupping = B.S. not even taught at DO schools not part of OMT
Cranial Osteopathy = B.S., but taught in DO schools and part of OMT
Chapman's Points = B.S., but also taught at DO schools and also a part of OMT

 

[samac]

So let me get this straight....

Cupping = B.S. not even taught at DO schools not part of OMT
Cranial Osteopathy = B.S., but taught in DO schools and part of OMT
Chapman's Points = B.S., but also taught at DO schools and also a part of OMT

Cranial and Chapman's points don't have any real evidence to back them up. Once they do have evidence I'll be all for them.
I'm all for OMT that actually helps people. Muscle energy. HVLA. Myofascial release.
But chapman points and resetting the gamma neurons by activating the antagonist muscle? The sutures of your skull move?

Like I said people have worked hard to get us into a place of respect. I'm not saying OMT is perfect and we still have a way to go, but speaking of the clear pseudoscience of cupping is not helping the movement in the right direction.

We might see a significant decrease in OMT in the future. I'm getting daily emails about "Save OMT!" It's possible Medicare and Medicaid may decide not to cover the procedures. We'll see how that turns out though.

 

[Johnny Appleseed]

Cranial and Chapman's points don't have any real evidence to back them up. Once they do have evidence I'll be all for them.
I'm all for OMT that actually helps people. Muscle energy. HVLA. Myofascial release.
But chapman points and resetting the gamma neurons by activating the antagonist muscle? The sutures of your skull move?

Like I said people have worked hard to get us into a place of respect. I'm not saying OMT is perfect and we still have a way to go, but speaking of the clear pseudoscience of cupping is not helping the movement in the right direction.

We might see a significant decrease in OMT in the future. I'm getting daily emails about "Save OMT!" It's possible Medicare and Medicaid may decide not to cover the procedures. We'll see how that turns out though.

IMO cupping sounds more plausible than "the sutures of your skull move." Honestly.....

 

[futureDOFuture]

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[Ho0v-man]

Nvm. Completely derails the thread


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[DO2015CA]

Yea this thread is making me feel a little embarrassed. What's next a resurgence in Lobotomies?

A lobotomy might've helped me in my cranial practical

 

[Pediateix]

you might learn it at an oriental medical school in the US

https://www.google.com/#q=oriental+medical+school

 

[el_duderino]

you might learn it at an oriental medical school in the US

https://www.google.com/#q=oriental+medical+school

"I went to PCOM!


That's.... Pacific College of Oriental Medicine."

 

[BeachBlondie]

That DO talking about cupping is giving other DOs a bad name. Get outta here with that pseudoscience bs. And take cranial with you.

Oh, cranial.....

 

[kelminak]

If cranial and chapman's aren't supported by any literature, why are they taught? What would need to be done in order to get them removed from curriculums?

 

[el_duderino]

If cranial and chapman's aren't supported by any literature, why are they taught? What would need to be done in order to get them removed from curriculums?

Then what would be different about a DO education vs MD?

 

[kelminak]

Then what would be different about a DO education vs MD?

Are those the only two parts of OMT?

 

[DO2015CA]

If cranial and chapman's aren't supported by any literature, why are they taught? What would need to be done in order to get them removed from curriculums?

AOA needs to be abolished for that to happen and the old guard needs to pass on.

 

[samac]

If cranial and chapman's aren't supported by any literature, why are they taught? What would need to be done in order to get them removed from curriculums?

Let the old dogs retire.

Then what would be different about a DO education vs MD?

There's much more to OMT than those 2 specific things. Others have real benefit, with some science behind them. I'm totally fine with using HVLA or Muscle energy.

 

[AlteredScale]

If cranial and chapman's aren't supported by any literature, why are they taught? What would need to be done in order to get them removed from curriculums?

They are supported by "literature". Literature created by the AOA (the JAOA, a journal that had many of its contributors BEG for an impact factor and the entire org reluctantly agreed because they knew it would be a low IF).

So far my experience with OS second year has been filled with anecdotal accounts, "studies show" without actually citing the literature or studies of clinical trials where n=20 and p>.05 which is supposed to somehow encourage me that these treatments are effective.

Probably the most ridiculous thing I've seen in this journal thus far is this: http://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2094594&resultClick=1

These "researchers" are now saying their work is a different kind of, evidence base.


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[DO2015CA]

They are supported by "literature". Literature created by the AOA (the JAOA, a journal that had many of its contributors BEG for an impact factor and the entire org reluctantly agreed because they knew it would be a low IF).

So far my experience with OS second year has been filled with anecdotal accounts, "studies show" without actually citing the literature or studies of clinical trials where n=20 and p>.05 which is supposed to somehow encourage me that these treatments are effective.

Probably the most ridiculous thing I've seen in this journal thus far is this: http://jaoa.org/article.aspx?articleid=2094594&resultClick=1

These "researchers" are now saying their work is a different kind of, evidence base.


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But but but the TMH wave exists.. why would my faculty lie to me

 

[TheBoneDoctah]

But but but the TMH wave exists.. why would my faculty lie to me

I was super active today...rode the fluid wave....and drove that osteopathic bus.


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