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Now that the California bench exam isnt an option for me anymore( will sit for Part One in Dec.) I was wondering if there are other alternatives.I know Adv. Standing is one of them (way too much money and time-I'm already 29!! and want to get on with my life!) But has anyone considered going for a Masters Degree? I've heard that in some states if one does obtain a Masters in a specific branch then he/she is eligible to practice in that branch as a specialist.

Also I've heard of Residency programs,I've heard competition is fierce but has anyone tried applying to either alternatives??

Do you guys think Adv. Standing is worth it?Is 2/3 yrs& loads of money worth it,I still cant decide what to do.

Any comments appreciated especially from the seniors like Henna.

Thanks
 
Originally posted by tamer


Do you guys think Adv. Standing is worth it?Is 2/3 yrs& loads of money worth it,I still cant decide what to do.





Since I dont have anything different/more to say I thought I'd direct you to the link where this was discussed a bit.
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Hi Tamer, I'm in your same page.....I mean, I'm 36, married and with two kids, and thinking about why everybody want to get in to the Advanced Standing Program, if it's so long, expensive, and if you do a Master, postgraduate program ( 2 years ) , or Advanced Education General Dentistry ( in some states , I'm not sure ) , then you can apply to the Regional Board, and get the license to practice dentistry . So, do you know why everybody prefer to get in Advanced standing Program ?
 
Originally posted by lhuck67
. So, do you know why everybody prefer to get in Advanced standing Program ?
I think we should just jot down the pro's and con's of each program and how it will effect us later...
Why dont you start with why you would prefer a master's program ?
Master, postgraduate program ( 2 years ) , or Advanced Education General Dentistry ( in some states , I'm not sure ) , then you can apply to the Regional Board, and get the license to practice dentistry .
 
Henna, good idea. I'm not sure that I prefer the master, I think, again I'm not sure just that is more easy to get into than the Advanced Standing Program..... ( I'm sharing my thought )
Tell me why you prefer the advanced Standing Program, it's more expensive, and longer in some cases.
 
You have to give me atleast some pro's about your stand for me to tell you if I prefer one over the other.

Adv standing is expensive but it works out in the long run as you get DDS degree.

Gotta rush now .
 
You have to give me atleast some pro's about your stand for me to tell you if I prefer one over the other.

Adv standing is expensive but it works out in the long run as you get DDS degree.

Gotta rush now .
 
Well I kind of favor a postgraduate degree program,Masters, for 2 reasons.

1st of all there are states that allow you to work with such a degree and the 2nd reason which is very important to me is that with a Masters degree I would be considered very special in my home country and most probably secure a good job with either the govt or private hospitals/clinics. U see I intend to return to my home country eventually
 
Originally posted by Henna
Since I dont have anything different/more to say I thought I'd direct you to the link where this was discussed a bit.
Link


Hi henna!!! i would really appreciate your help if u can list out other options other than advanced standing programs. I took up my part I for the second time, and this time also things din't workout well. So i was looking into other options. I have lost a lot of time taking up these exams again and i am totally confused right now.

I would really appreciate if u could send me some links.


-nutty
 
Originally posted by surgeblue
Hi henna!!! i would really appreciate your help if u can list out other options other than advanced standing programs. I took up my part I for the second time, and this time also things din't workout well. So i was looking into other options. I have lost a lot of time taking up these exams again and i am totally confused right now.

I would really appreciate if u could send me some links.


-nutty

surgeblue,

Have you tought about California's bench test?
What about Minnessota licensure program?

As long as you pass the test, they don't care about the score.

About Adv. Stn., if you passed the test with a low score, why don't you try applying to schools with plenty of seats available like NYU? They don't require a 90 like UConn does, so it's a possible choice. And their application fee is only about 35 dollars, so you won't be wasting a lot of money........

Think about it.
 
Go to Canada and take the AS course there and the NDEB. Its only one test and the program is 2 years. The NDEB is taken after the course and the failure rate is very low.
 
Somewhere I read that in order to be able to take Canada's dental test you needed to be a Canadian permanent resident or citizen. Is this true?
 
check out www.ndeb.ca - but the test is taken after the course not before as a basis of admission.

Here are the pros for living in canada

1. Seems like its easier to become a permanant resident - as a skilled worker

2. Only 1 test for licensure, NO clinical test on live patients.

3. One test for all provinces with the exception of maybe quebec.

Cons

1. Taxes are higher, but healthcare is covered
2. Dental fees are less, but Dentists still do well.
 
CERTIFICATION ELIGIBILITY



9.01 For the purposes of these By-laws,



?Accredited Program? means an undergraduate dental program in Canada or the United States which has been approved through accreditation established by the Board with reference to accreditation by the Commission on Dental Accreditation of Canada or the American Dental Association Commission on Dental Accreditation;



?Certificate? means the certificate of qualification in the form prescribed by the Board and issued by the Board pursuant to An Act to incorporate the National Dental Examining Board of Canada, 1952, 1 Eliz. II, c. 69, as amended;



?OSCE? or ?OSCE Examination? means the Objective Structured Clinical Examination set by the Board and described in By-law 13.00;



?Qualifying Program? means a qualifying program for graduates of non-accredited university-based undergraduate dental programs which has been approved through accreditation established by the Board with reference to accreditation by the Commission on Dental Accreditation of Canada



9.02 For the purposes of these By-laws, ?candidate? means:



A. a person who is a graduate of an Accredited Program;



B. a person who has graduated from a non-accredited university-based undergraduate dental program and who has successfully completed a Qualifying Program;



C. for the purpose of taking the Written and OSCE Examinations described in By-laws 12.01 to 13.03, a person who is within three months of his or her expected graduation from an Accredited Program or a Qualifying Program; or



D. until June 30, 2003, a person who has successfully completed the Board?s former Clinical II Examination, which was discontinued on December 31, 1999.



9.03 Persons described in By-law 9.02 C will be required to provide the Board with written documentation from the Dean of the Accredited Program or Qualifying Program in which they are enrolled confirming their status of being within three months of expected graduation from the program on the date established for the examinations.











9.04 Subject to any appeals, petitions or compassionate appeals which may be allowed by the Board pursuant to By-law 16.00, on June 30, 2003, a person who was a candidate under the provisions of By-law 9.02 D ceases to be a candidate and must reapply to be a candidate under By-laws 9.02 A, 9.02 B or 9.02 C.



9.05 A candidate shall be ineligible to take an examination or to be granted a Certificate if the candidate?s licence to practise dentistry is suspended or cancelled, or if the candidate is on probation within their licensing jurisdiction.
 
Originally posted by DrRob
check out www.ndeb.ca - but the test is taken after the course not before as a basis of admission.
............

This is from the website you gave us Rob:

"The result of your ACFD/AFDC Eligibility Examination (EE) is one of the requirements for application to a Qualifying Program or a Degree Completion Program. Each university will inform you of its admission policy and the type of certificate or degree it offers to students. "

Let me get things straight:

The Eligibility Examination administered by the Association of Canadian Faculties of Dentistry (ACFD/AFDC) equals the NBDE (both part 1 and 2) given by the ADA.

A Qualifying Program or a Degree Completion Program equals Advanced Standing Programs given at some American universities.

The EE is just one examination, instead of 2 like the NBDE.

Is this right?

I read some of the EE's sample questions provided, and it definitively makes more sense than the NBDE part 1, given that is more dentistry oriented. I mean basic sciences question are made with relation to dentistry, which is what you need after all.

DrRob I wonder what's the pass rate for EE? and how difficult will be to get in a Qualifying Program?

Anyhow...... is good to know that there is another choice, if I don't get lucky in US. 😉
 
I am sorry I never heard of the EE? It may be given by the school that offers qualifying programs. Try contacting the dental program at the university of western ontario. www.uwo.ca
All I know is that the QP is only 2 years in length and gives you the chance to take the NDEB of Canada - the exam is fairly straight forward (some of its content is posted on the website) and there were a lot of repeated questions. I have never heard of anyone who has failed the NDEB. Then depending on the province you want to practice in - you apply for registration (equivilant to a license).

I am researching canadian immigration for a friend - and from my experience (at one time thinking of trying to go to the US) its a lot easier for a foreign skilled worker to work in Canada permanantly.
 
Originally posted by DrRob
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All I know is that the QP is only 2 years in length and gives you the chance to take the NDEB of Canada - the exam is fairly straight forward (some of its content is posted on the website) and there were a lot of repeated questions. I have never heard of anyone who has failed the NDEB......

Nice to know, 'cause according to the ADA the NBDE % failure among foreign trained dentist is about 60% !!!!.

Is the QP like repeating the last 2 years of regular canadian dental school?

thanks
 
http://www.acfd.ca/ - I guess this is the pre requisite for applying to Canadian 2 year QP. Check it out - it has sample questions.
 
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