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Arijos0222

Arijos0222

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How hard is it to match into Otolaryngology from a D.O. school? How much harder than Allopathic?
 
impossible! its a myth and data has never actually been found on a DO otolaryngologist, it's like finding bit foot. ... JK pretty sure you can do that by going through general surgery? 😛 please correct me if i'm wrong
 
Math GS residency which isn't too hard, complex scores are a little above average.. Which they should be. Then you have to specialize in it after 5 years GS res.


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Arijos0222 said:
How hard is it to match into Otolaryngology from a D.O. school? How much harder than Allopathic?
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Otolaryngology (ENT) is one of the most competitive specialities of all time. It's its own residency (5 years), not through general surgery.

There are about 20 DO ENT residencies and 285 MD residencies. MD residencies are extremely competitive. In fact, last year, no even a single DO graduate succeeded in securing an MD ENT position. Perhaps, things may get a little easier after the unification of AOA and ACGME residencies.

I'm personally very interested in the field. However, I'm keeping my options open for now.
 
Ibn Alnafis MD said:
Otolaryngology (ENT) is one of the most competitive specialities of all time. It's its own residency (5 years), not through general surgery.

There are about 20 DO ENT residencies and 285 MD residencies. MD residencies are extremely competitive. In fact, last year, no even a single DO graduate succeeded in securing an MD ENT position. Perhaps, things may get a little easier after the unification of AOA and ACGME residencies.

I'm personally very interested in the field. However, I'm keeping my options open for now.
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There are 20 AOA ENT pgy1 positions per year, which I'm sure you meant.
 
drshark said:
O cool, so you can get into plastics through ENT as well? according to that link
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You can do full or facial plastic after ENT. However, from what I read on this forum, when it comes to full plastic, preference is given to general surgery applicants.
 
someone from my med school class went into otolaryngology. Not impossible at all. As with anything else, study hard, get great grades, do research, rock your away rotations, rock your boards, and get some luck in the match.

But first, get into med school. Then figure out if you still want to do oto... as >80% of all med students change their minds about what they want to do once they actually start rotating and doing medicine in their clerkships. (yeah, I know... you're different and won't change your mind no matter what. Yup. That's what everyone says.)
 
ShyRem said:
someone from my med school class went into otolaryngology. Not impossible at all. As with anything else, study hard, get great grades, do research, rock your away rotations, rock your boards, and get some luck in the match.

But first, get into med school. Then figure out if you still want to do oto... as >80% of all med students change their minds about what they want to do once they actually start rotating and doing medicine in their clerkships. (yeah, I know... you're different and won't change your mind no matter what. Yup. That's what everyone says.)
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I really wonder if residents (or even the attending pyhsicians in that matter) also change their minds after they've started/finished a residency?
 
I shadowed an ENT and about 70% of what he did was plastics. The rest was cleaning out old peoples ears.
 
DrBumblebee said:
I really wonder if residents (or even the attending pyhsicians in that matter) also change their minds after they've started/finished a residency?
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It's pretty common. From my experience, I've seen numerous people switch from general surgery and neurosurgery into something else. I've seen a few people switch from IM into something else, too. But surgery to whatever seems more common.

I met a pgy 11 resident recently. He did 3 years of general surgery then quit. Then he did 4 years of pathology. Then he did a dermpathology fellowship for 2 years. Now he is doing a dermatology residency.
 
gc91 said:
Because it takes forever compared to things like IM, FP, and Peds. At least that's my ignorant pre-med opinion that I should probably keep to myself.
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I'm sure that comes into play, but it's mostly the hours and the abrasive work environment.
 
cliquesh said:
I'm sure that comes into play, but it's mostly the hours and the abrasive work environment.
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Is the abrasive work environment due on purpose to preserve the territory, or due to that residents/attendings/nurses/etc. in surgery are mostly bored with what they've been doing and look for some fun by tackling others? I can hardly admit that one leaves the surgery residency and its future lucrative career because he/she met with thick-skull people during residency.

Is there any other things involved in surgery that a pre-med cannot see now from the outside?
 
DrBumblebee said:
Is the abrasive work environment due on purpose to preserve the territory, or due to that residents/attendings/nurses/etc. in surgery are mostly bored with what they've been doing and look for some fun by tackling others? I can hardly admit that one leaves the surgery residency and its future lucrative career because he/she met with thick-skull people during residency.

Is there any other things involved in surgery that a pre-med cannot see now from the outside?
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It's a cultural thing. Most surgeons, in general, are *******s. Why is it that way? I don't know, but it rubs off on everyone in the OR, making it an unpleasant working environment. Additionally, general surgery and neurosurgery residencies have some of the worst hours of all residencies. You will be working 80hrs a week and youll be on call every few days. You have to sacrific a lot and many people, including myself, dont think the sacrific is worth it. You might enjoy it, however.
 
cliquesh said:
It's a cultural thing. Most surgeons, in general, are *******s. Why is it that way? I don't know, but it rubs off on everyone in the OR, making it an unpleasant working environment. Additionally, general surgery and neurosurgery residencies have some of the worst hours of all residencies. You will be working 80hrs a week and youll be on call every few days. You have to sacrific a lot and many people, including myself, dont think the sacrific is worth it. You might enjoy it, however.
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Ah, I see... that sucks. I think I've more of an internist/hospitalist type of personality, though.
 
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