P.A. to M.D/D.O?chances of getting in? please help

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hi everyone, i'm a p.a. student that will be finishing an masters p.a. program next december, but i have decided that p.a. is not for me and that i really want to apply to medical school and become a doctor.
can someone please tell me how are p.a. applicants looked at when applying to m.d./d.o school? do they have a better chance of getting in to medical school than the usual applicant? i took the MCAT 3 years ago when i was deciding to apply to med school or p.a. school and took all the prerequisites, so i was wondering if i will have a very good chance of getting in now that i have done p.a. school? also if anyone out there is in a similar situation that was a p.a. and then applied to medical school and found they got in easily with no problem, please let me know as i need all the info and feedback i can get to see how good my chances are of getting in. thank you very much.
 
Bro, I'm also in PA school right now, but i think i may wanna go all the way to MD/DO, so anyone with advice help us out lol!!! I know a few people who went to Med School and they said Med school was MUCH easier for them than for the average Med Student. Also, many med schools look at PA's as mature applicants, who know what medicine is about,WHAT REAL-LIFE MEDICINE IS ABOUT LOL. Plus, the experience we get is unparalleled by many other professions, we're, argueably, the closest to docs in terms of schooling and knowledge, without being docs in name, so yea, from what I know, we PA applicants are looked upon favorably.
 
By the way, just out of curiosity, why are you personally unhappy with PA?
 
hi everyone, i'm a p.a. student that will be finishing an masters p.a. program next december, but i have decided that p.a. is not for me and that i really want to apply to medical school and become a doctor.
can someone please tell me how are p.a. applicants looked at when applying to m.d./d.o school? do they have a better chance of getting in to medical school than the usual applicant? i took the MCAT 3 years ago when i was deciding to apply to med school or p.a. school and took all the prerequisites, so i was wondering if i will have a very good chance of getting in now that i have done p.a. school? also if anyone out there is in a similar situation that was a p.a. and then applied to medical school and found they got in easily with no problem, please let me know as i need all the info and feedback i can get to see how good my chances are of getting in. thank you very much.

as long as you have the grades and the MCAT score you can do an MD. If not....try the caribbean route...
 
hi everyone, i'm a p.a. student that will be finishing an masters p.a. program next december, but i have decided that p.a. is not for me and that i really want to apply to medical school and become a doctor.
can someone please tell me how are p.a. applicants looked at when applying to m.d./d.o school? do they have a better chance of getting in to medical school than the usual applicant? i took the MCAT 3 years ago when i was deciding to apply to med school or p.a. school and took all the prerequisites, so i was wondering if i will have a very good chance of getting in now that i have done p.a. school? also if anyone out there is in a similar situation that was a p.a. and then applied to medical school and found they got in easily with no problem, please let me know as i need all the info and feedback i can get to see how good my chances are of getting in. thank you very much.

Bro, I'm also in PA school right now, but i think i may wanna go all the way to MD/DO, so anyone with advice help us out lol!!! I know a few people who went to Med School and they said Med school was MUCH easier for them than for the average Med Student. Also, many med schools look at PA's as mature applicants, who know what medicine is about,WHAT REAL-LIFE MEDICINE IS ABOUT LOL. Plus, the experience we get is unparalleled by many other professions, we're, argueably, the closest to docs in terms of schooling and knowledge, without being docs in name, so yea, from what I know, we PA applicants are looked upon favorably.

You will be "looked upon" as any other applicant to medical school and that is in terms of your competitiveness as an applicant. While going though a Physician Assistant program will give you some clinical experience. This may or may not make medical school any easier because the pre-clinical science work for any medical student is no joke and you PA stuff won't help you here. For third and fourth year, you will have an advantage but you have to get through first and second to get to the third year and beyond.

Have had one PA apply to one of my schools where I do admissions committee work. Sad to say, we couldn't offer an interview at this time (over run with more competitive applicants). You still have to have a competitive MCAT and undergraduate GPA to be a competitive applicant for medical school. Currently, the average GPA for matriculants is 3.6 and MCAT is 30. Graduate school is weighted about the same as an extracurricular.

The other thing that you may want to put some thought into is why you want to attend medical school since PA is so close in job description to being a physician. Invariably, you are going to be asked this question at some schools so think about an answer and spin it to your advantage. Good luck!
 
You will be "looked upon" as any other applicant to medical school and that is in terms of your competitiveness as an applicant. While going though a Physician Assistant program will give you some clinical experience. This may or may not make medical school any easier because the pre-clinical science work for any medical student is no joke and you PA stuff won't help you here. For third and fourth year, you will have an advantage but you have to get through first and second to get to the third year and beyond.

Have had one PA apply to one of my schools where I do admissions committee work. Sad to say, we couldn't offer an interview at this time (over run with more competitive applicants). You still have to have a competitive MCAT and undergraduate GPA to be a competitive applicant for medical school. Currently, the average GPA for matriculants is 3.6 and MCAT is 30. Graduate school is weighted about the same as an extracurricular.

The other thing that you may want to put some thought into is why you want to attend medical school since PA is so close in job description to being a physician. Invariably, you are going to be asked this question at some schools so think about an answer and spin it to your advantage. Good luck!

I have recently learned of several medical schools in the northeast who view PA's/PT's (previous medical experience) and the like as highly desirable. I agree that your grades and MCAT's should be within the range of the average for the school that you're applying. Many DO's programs advertise that work, life, maturity and healthcare experience are factors in the admissions process.
 
Just one thing I thought I'd add to njbmd's post. You really need to be prepared to defend your reason for switching occupations. Everyone in the health care community is painfullly aware of the shortage there is for both PA's and nurses. If you had wanted to become a doctor, you shouldn't have attended/used up a valuable PA/RN slot that would have been used to train someone else who legitimately wanted to pursue a career in that field.

Just a warning: this is the attitude a number of your interviewers could take (particularly those closely associated with hospital administration).
 
I have recently learned of several medical schools in the northeast who view PA's/PT's (previous medical experience) and the like as highly desirable. I agree that your grades and MCAT's should be within the range of the average for the school that you're applying. Many DO's programs advertise that work, life, maturity and healthcare experience are factors in the admissions process.

Would you care to share which medical schools you are referring to?
 
I have recently learned of several medical schools in the northeast who view PA's/PT's (previous medical experience) and the like as highly desirable. I agree that your grades and MCAT's should be within the range of the average for the school that you're applying. Many DO's programs advertise that work, life, maturity and healthcare experience are factors in the admissions process.


I wish I knew of these schools...when I applied...no preference or at least there was no advantage of having a PT degree...when I applied to allopathic schools in the North east and Mid west.

Please let me know what allopathic schools you are referring to.
 
NJ is not exactly correct and she only speaks from the angle of her own experiences. I am a PA who is now a physician in residency and I can assure you that being a PA is highly desirable to SOME medical schools. You will not be looked at the same as all applicants, but at some schools you may be. You need to apply to schools where PA's have come in and rocked the grades and boards and earned a reputation of being stellar students.

In Texas for instance, UTSA, TCOM, and Texas A&M have had lots of PA's and I know they look favorably on this experience. I can also state from personal experience that my education from PA school gave me probably a 30% advantage on literally every exam I ever took in med school.

I had a subpar MCAT but with my experience and average study effort was able to score well on boards 232/94, 262/99 on steps I and II respectively. All my residency interviews asked about my past experience and really liked my previous training. I agree with NJ that there are definitely some schools that just don't like non-trads in general, especially those who change professions in healthcare, but there are also plenty that appreciate it.
 
NJ is not exactly correct and she only speaks from the angle of her own experiences. I am a PA who is now a physician in residency and I can assure you that being a PA is highly desirable to SOME medical schools. You will not be looked at the same as all applicants, but at some schools you may be. You need to apply to schools where PA's have come in and rocked the grades and boards and earned a reputation of being stellar students.

In Texas for instance, UTSA, TCOM, and Texas A&M have had lots of PA's and I know they look favorably on this experience. I can also state from personal experience that my education from PA school gave me probably a 30% advantage on literally every exam I ever took in med school.

I had a subpar MCAT but with my experience and average study effort was able to score well on boards 232/94, 262/99 on steps I and II respectively. All my residency interviews asked about my past experience and really liked my previous training. I agree with NJ that there are definitely some schools that just don't like non-trads in general, especially those who change professions in healthcare, but there are also plenty that appreciate it.

Hello, I am very glad this topic has been brought up. I've been a working LPN for two years, and just recently received my BSN, the thought of going to med school has been lingering in my head for quiet some time now. CorpsmanUP, I would like your opinion in regards to how medical school compared with PA school, in terms of difficulty, clinicals, stress, and generally anything significant from your experience. Also, I was wondering what your response was during your interview to address the career change questions. Thank you very much for you input.
~Daniel
 
Hello, I am very glad this topic has been brought up. I've been a working LPN for two years, and just recently received my BSN, the thought of going to med school has been lingering in my head for quiet some time now. CorpsmanUP, I would like your opinion in regards to how medical school compared with PA school, in terms of difficulty, clinicals, stress, and generally anything significant from your experience. Also, I was wondering what your response was during your interview to address the career change questions. Thank you very much for you input.
~Daniel

It was easy to explain my career change, since it was not at all a change! I just wanted more responsibility and was not satisfied with being a PA. I explained that I felt I had too many holes in my knowledge, and wanted to fill them.

Med school is like running a marathon each week for 4 years. PA school was like running a 5K twice a week. The pain from PA school probably felt a little more intense at times but in the end med school was longer and took more to endure. They were quite similar in content though and there was probably nothing I learned in PA school that was not covered in med school. However, a great deal was omitted in PA school obviously.

I'll stand my ground though and say there was no one I knew in med school who was even remotely as prepared for what med school had to dish out at us.
 
I wish I knew of these schools...when I applied...no preference or at least there was no advantage of having a PT degree...when I applied to allopathic schools in the North east and Mid west.

Please let me know what allopathic schools you are referring to.

I would offer the names, but it's unlikely something that could be confirmed by simply calling the medical admissions office....this was expressed to me by several program directors. My understanding was it is desireable and helps you get an interview and I'm sure if you have a decent interview would help you get in. My experience...people who are mature, have life experience, and have a general clue about healthcare do well in medical admissions interviews.

I think i would much rather be in a situation if I had to qualify why I was changing from PA to MD/DO than to be riddled with a bunch of awkward questions as a fresh undergrad grad. and trying to explain why I just want to be a doctor because I shadowing one three different times and once was even in the ER.
 
I am currently a second year med student at the Chicago college of osteopathic medicine and we have 2 PAs in our class this year. I think our school loved their previous experience and knew they would excel in med school. The students love having both of them around for learning physical exam stuff, and Rx drugs, they know so much more than any of us! Our school also has a great PA school though, so they may be more open then some...
On a personal note, I actually looked into transfering into the PA program because med school has completely sucked the life out of me. In retrospect, I would take the shorter time commitment, less tuition and better quality of life any day. If you want to go for the MD/DO, you definately can do it, but try to keep the additional debt, decreasing reimbursement, malpractice insurance and no time for anything else in mind.
 
We had a PA in our class who failed almost every class and dropped out after first year. Not because he was dumb but because he had been a well-paid PA Anesthesist and simply lost his motivation. He was around my age and he probably realized that it made no sense to give up a 90 to 120K per year salary for the eight years it would require to become an MD anethesiologist. Why he didn't think about this while he was applying to medical school is beyond me.
 
We had a PA in our class who failed almost every class and dropped out after first year. Not because he was dumb but because he had been a well-paid PA Anesthesist and simply lost his motivation. He was around my age and he probably realized that it made no sense to give up a 90 to 120K per year salary for the eight years it would require to become an MD anethesiologist. Why he didn't think about this while he was applying to medical school is beyond me.
not to be too picky here but I'm guessing you mean an AA (anesthetist assistant)-different career from pa. not too many pa's working in operative anesthesia, probably something like 20 in the whole country
 
The truth is... to go through med school... it requires a lot more hard work than it does intelligence... yes you heard me.... That doesnt mean you dont need to be intelligent... but it truly is all about hte hard work... If you have been struggling through out your life before medical school and then go to med school and you are so tired to put up with the **** ad the amount of work you need to do... then it will not work out for you.

It is a LOT of work... First two years... reading and reading and reading and reading... exams and exams and exams and exams... boards... then the clinical years... reading + exams + being the slave in the hospital.... then of course your got residency ... And during all that, the money struggle from hell.

So... if you are tired... and went through too much in life already... don't damage yourself more... Being a PA or an NP is a pretty good career... you could do MUCH worse... It's all about your motivation and strength of will.
 
not to be too picky here but I'm guessing you mean an AA (anesthetist assistant)-different career from pa. not too many pa's working in operative anesthesia, probably something like 20 in the whole country


emedpa...as the sdn guru on all things relating to PA, how can a PA work in operative anesthesia?

it was my understanding that only 3 providers of anestesia are recognized by the federal government and thus eligible for reimbursement (private practice follows federal example): anesthesiologist, AA, and CRNA. thus if a PA wants to deliver anesthesia, i thought it was a blanket rule that one had to go back to AA school. i know of one attending NOVA right now for example..

i do know people who say that NPs work in anesthesiology departments and invariably what ends up coming to light is that the NP is actualy doing the preop assessements or something related to anesthesia, but not delivering the anesthetic.

just wanted some clarification. thanks.
 
there are a FEW pa's nationally who have been able to get credentialed to do operative anesthesia. most of the folks who do this have been doing it for > 25 yrs and probably could not get that credentialing today but as long as they stay at their current jobs they are grandfathered indefinitely. they bill under the #s of the anesthesia md's they work with.they all received intensive on the job training from md anesthesiologists in the early years of the pa profession when the rules were wide open.
JWK probably knows more about this history.
this guy is the most well known pa anesthetist out there. he has been doing it for decades:

Shepard B. Stone, MPS, PA
[email protected]
Associate Clinical Professor of Anesthesiology
Yale University School of Medicine
Physician Associate-Anesthesiologist
Yale-New Haven Hospital
Lieutenant Colonel
Aeromedical Physician Assistant
State Aviation Medicine Officer
Connecticut Army National Guard

and an article about pa's in anesthesia:
By STEVEN LANE, AAPA News
A continuing national shortage of anesthesiologists and nurse anesthetists could mean a new niche for PAs, but they ould require additional training, according to some of the handful of PAs nationwide who work in the specialty. "I do think PAs are natural for anesthesia," said Shepard Stone, a PA at Yale University Hospital and one of the few PAs in the country who administers general anesthesia in the operating room. But Stone, who received his initial training in anesthesiology while a member of the first class of the Norwalk/Yale postgraduate program in surgery, agrees with other PAs interviewed for this article that the generalist PA program does not by itself provide sufficient training to administer general anesthesia.

Very few PAs practice in the specialty. On a 2003 AAPA survey, about .5 percent (85 of 1,806) of responding PAs selected anesthesiology as their specialty. However, the majority of these are probably providing pre- and postoperative care or providing pain management care, not administering anesthetics in the operating room. About 50 PAs are on the mailing list of the fledgling Society of PAs in Anesthesiology, which had its first meeting at AAPA's annual conference in New Orleans last May. Most of the 50 do not practice in anesthesia but are interested in doing so, said society president Michael Champion, who was trained as a perfusionist — which has a lot of overlap with anesthesia, he said — and now practices at a government facility in San Antonio.

Demand for providers in the field is high, due to a shortfall of 1,400 to 4,000 anesthesiologists nationally, according to aan April 2001 article in the American Society of Anesthesiologists (ASA) newsletter. (Demand was calculated by the authors from the number of inpatient, short-stay hospital procedures reported by federal agencies.) The shortfall could grow to between 3,500 and 7,900 by 2005. The authors, anesthesiologists Gifford Eckhout and Armin Schubert, also claimed that the situation would be compounded by a shortage of nurse anesthetists, pointing to a decline in the number of nurse anesthesia programs and an increase in the proportion of nurse anesthetists close to retirement age.

The shortage of certified registered nurse anesthetists (CRNAs) is important, given that CRNAs administer the majority of anesthesia in the United States: about 65 percent of the 26 million general anesthetics administered nationally each year, according to the American Association of Nurse Anesthetists (AANA). CRNAs are the only anesthesia providers in about 70
percent of the country's rural hospitals, according to AANA. "Access to anesthesia care is a challenge that is growing, not shrinking, as an aging CRNA population is concentrated more in non-urban areas . . ." said Deborah Chambers, AANA president, in her 2001 testimony to an expert panel hearing public comments on funding allocation for the Division of Nursing, Health Resources and Services Administration.

And compounding the situation is the well-documented national shortage of nurses, from whose ranks CRNAs are drawn. Despite the potential demand, anesthesiology is difficult for PAs to break into. In most areas of medicine, Stone said, PAs can get use their generalist medical training to get a job and then build on that through training in the clinical setting, gradually specializing over time if they so desire. But the technical nature of anesthesiology, coupled with the immediacy and urgency of the operating room environment, make it difficult for PAs to get opportunities to learn on the job.

"Anesthesia is a very scientific practice, and there's not a lot of opportunity to learn it through on-the-job training,"
said Michael Swetman, a PA and administrator of the department of anesthesia at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio (UTHSCSA). "In surgery, you have the surgeon directly across the table from you." "If a physician has to sit there and hold my hand, there's no point in my being there," said Stone, drawing on his experience as a pilot to create a flying analogy. "There are normal emergencies and catastrophic emergencies. If a helicopter rotor stops turning, you have to
reduce power immediately. There's no time to check a checklist."

Most PAs who work in anesthesia are probably doing pre- and postop care of patients and peripheral tasks, like inserting catheters. "I was an H&P machine," said PA Ashley August, of her first job out of PA school, working for Anesthesia Services at Christiana Hospital in Newark, Delaware.

August saw patients coming in for surgery, explained to them what would happen as anesthesia was administered, and checked their cardiac history. "I could read an EKG like the back of my hand," she said. But "I wouldn't want to do what they do," August said of her CRNA colleagues.

Faculty at UTHSCSA, where there is an entry-level PA program, are exploring the possibility of setting up a postgraduate program to train PAs in anesthesiology. The course would probably be at least two and half years long, said Champion, who is involved in developing the program. An informal survey of Texas PAs found significant interest in attending an anesthesia training program, especially among new graduates, and local physicians have been supportive of the program, Champion said.

Swetman explained that the UTHSCSA program would probably be based on curriculum used by anesthesiologist assistant training programs, of which there are only two — at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland and Emory University in Atlanta.

Many PAs who have successfully broken into anesthesia have done it after being trained as perfusionists through the military, said Champion, who is one of them. And it is certainly possible for PAs to be successful in the specialty, as Stone's 25-year career indicates. When members of his department have required surgery, Stone has been requested more than any of his colleagues, he said, and a senior faculty member twice asked him to handle the anesthesia for his surgeries. "I was
so nervous I didn't sleep the night before," Stone said.

"Anesthesia has been good to me and I think I've been good to it," Stone added.
 
Wouldn't a PA anesthetist have to be directly supervised by an anesthesiologist a la AA?

Curious about this.

not directly. they would have to have a supervising md but not in the same room. I imagine the guy in the article above doesn't call for backup very often(read never). as noted in the article he is the provider of choice to provide anesthesia when the md anesthesiologists go under, so I'm guessing he's REALLY good.
he probably just has to have an sp in house available to the o.r..
he probably has his delegation of services agreement written in such a way that all the staff md anesthesiologists are alternate sp's.
 
Also - what are state guidelines regarding PA administration of anesthesia? I am not bashing PAs, but I would be very uncomfortable with someone giving me anesthesia that did not go to school or do a residency in it.

(I'm definitely pro-CRNA - my dad is one and has put me to sleep before)
 
Also - what are state guidelines regarding PA administration of anesthesia? I am not bashing PAs, but I would be very uncomfortable with someone giving me anesthesia that did not go to school or do a residency in it.

(I'm definitely pro-CRNA - my dad is one and has put me to sleep before)

if you read the article above the pa they mention did a 1 yr residency in surgery but spent all his elective time doing anesthesia in the o.r.
that and the fact that he has been doing it for 25 yrs and is on the anesthesia teaching faculty at yale would be enough to make me comfortable being intubated by him anyday.
as mentioned above there are probably less than 20 pa's nationwide who do operative anesthesia and they have all been doing it for many years so it isn't much of an issue.
 
if you read the article above the pa they mention did a 1 yr residency in surgery but spent all his elective time doing anesthesia in the o.r.
that and the fact that he has been doing it for 25 yrs and is on the anesthesia teaching faculty at yale would be enough to make me comfortable being intubated by him anyday.
as mentioned above there are probably less than 20 pa's nationwide who do operative anesthesia and they have all been doing it for many years so it isn't much of an issue.

Sorry, but it would be an issue with me if I were the patient and had a choice. I guess we have differing opinions about this area of medicine for PA venture. The article states that he has 25 years' experience as a military perfusionist, not as a strict anesthesia provider. Sure, he's got skills if Yale hired him, but this is one area of medicine I'd rather leave to those who did an actual program in it. And since I'm highly unlikely to run into him as my anesthesia provider here in the Illinois boondocks, I'll leave it to the MD/DOs and CRNAs.
 
Actually he has been doing anesthesia for 25 yrs after doing the residency.the perfusionist is someone else named champion.
but yes, you are free to see whoever you want just as any pt can.
yale newhaven hospital is essentially run by pa's.
pa surgical residents run the surgical clinics and see all floor/icu pts in addition to 1st assisting all. o.r. procedures
pa's on the anesthesia service there as above.
lots of pa's in the e.r. and on the trauma service there as well.
I have visited the hospital when a good friend of mine was a resident there.
it is pa heaven.
 
With the exception of Shepard and a couple others, PA's simply don't do anesthesia. There is no mechanism for insurance or Medicare reimbursement for PA's administering anesthesia. The only recognized anesthesia providers, and the only ones that can get paid for doing it, are MD's, CRNA's, and AA's. This issue surfaces every year or two and goes nowhere.
 
With the exception of Shepard and a couple others, PA's simply don't do anesthesia. There is no mechanism for insurance or Medicare reimbursement for PA's administering anesthesia. The only recognized anesthesia providers, and the only ones that can get paid for doing it, are MD's, CRNA's, and AA's. This issue surfaces every year or two and goes nowhere.

Ahhhh. This is what I thought.

emed - sorry my reading comprehension was really poor last night - you were right about the article.
 
I have recently learned of several medical schools in the northeast who view PA's/PT's (previous medical experience) and the like as highly desirable. I agree that your grades and MCAT's should be within the range of the average for the school that you're applying. Many DO's programs advertise that work, life, maturity and healthcare experience are factors in the admissions process.

If you don't mind, Please share which these are 😉
 
Not that I have a strong opinion on the subject either way, but I don't get it. I am in no way comparing the value/difference of life here, but I worked in veterinary medicine for 5 years and worked directly with anesthesia everyday. We use the same stuff to induce (like Propofol) in which I would calculate, draw up, give IV, intubate and then maintain on ISO. I would feel perfectly comfortable having a PA with on the job training manage my anesthesia. There are other doc's in the room and the MD Anest. is in house and a phone call away.

On to the original topic post re: PA to MD...I'm graduating PA school this year myself and have also been thinking about applying to Med school. So, more power to ya. If that's what you want then do it. You'll probably apply to more then one school and I would guess that you'll hit at least one that values your PA education over the typical applicant.
 
Not that I have a strong opinion on the subject either way, but I don't get it. I am in no way comparing the value/difference of life here, but I worked in veterinary medicine for 5 years and worked directly with anesthesia everyday. We use the same stuff to induce (like Propofol) in which I would calculate, draw up, give IV, intubate and then maintain on ISO. I would feel perfectly comfortable having a PA with on the job training manage my anesthesia. There are other doc's in the room and the MD Anest. is in house and a phone call away.
The practice of anesthesia is much more than pushing a couple of drugs and intubating. Your cookbook OJT approach may offer you enough to get by with kitty cat and doggy work, but that doesn't come close to making you a knowledgable and competent anesthesia provider for human patients. PA's still have to go through another 5-7 semesters (depending on the program) to be certified and practice as an AA.
 
Oh, I agree that additional education needs to be had to persue work in the field. I was just simply stating that in the routine surgery, a TAH/BSO is a TAH/BSO be it person or dog. I've made an observation during my surgical experience that the CRNA at the head of the table pretty much did what I used to do. Everyone is so quick to get nasty and sometimes under read a statement. No comparison is being made between veterinary and human medicine, just simply a statement of observation.
 
Oh, I agree that additional education needs to be had to persue work in the field. I was just simply stating that in the routine surgery, a TAH/BSO is a TAH/BSO be it person or dog. I've made an observation during my surgical experience that the CRNA at the head of the table pretty much did what I used to do. No comparison is being made between veterinary and human medicine, just simply a statement of observation.

Not that I have a strong opinion on the subject either way, but I don't get it. I am in no way comparing the value/difference of life here, but I worked in veterinary medicine for 5 years and worked directly with anesthesia everyday. We use the same stuff to induce (like Propofol) in which I would calculate, draw up, give IV, intubate and then maintain on ISO. I would feel perfectly comfortable having a PA with on the job training manage my anesthesia. There are other doc's in the room and the MD Anest. is in house and a phone call away.
Nothing nasty intended, just statements of fact.

You may think the CRNA at the head of the table did what you used to do - you really have no perception of all they do. You're trying to compare a couple of technical skills that can be taught to just about anyone, to the full body of anesthesia practice, based on your limited knowledge gained through veterinary experience, which you somehow think is comparable. I would think as a soon-to-be PA that you would already understand this.

Somehow I doubt that while in the animal clinic you had the extensive phsyiology and pharmacology coursework that comes with being a CRNA or AA. Integrating that huge body of knowledge with the myriad technical skills involved is something that takes two or more years of formal graduate education (after already earning a bachelor's degree), and several years after that to become truly proficient. It's not something that can be learned OJT.

Here's two scenarios:

Sorry Mrs. Jones, Fluffy had a "reaction to the anesthetic" (overdose, wrong med, whatever) and died. Let me give you the names of some local breeders.

vs

Sorry Mr. Smith, your wife died because I didn't understand that the drugs and anesthetic agents we gave your wife could cause a fatal reaction - it never happened that way at the vet clinic. The hospital risk management department will be in touch with you, and please feel free to have your attorney call my malpractice carrier about a large settlement.

Same outcome, right?
 
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