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I am seriously considering a career a PA. I've come across alot of schools that require you to have your BS befer you can start there PA program, pretty much meaning that you'd be working towards your masters. I recently found out that Howard University offers a PA program where you would not need your BS. I guess my question is if I graudated with my BS would I have a problem getting work as PA without my masters?
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you are eligible for the national pa exam(pance) with a certificate, a.s., b.s., m.s., or phd from a pa program.
a few states require a bs, a few others require an ms.
I work with folks with all levels of pa credential. there is no difference in the clinical preparation between the degrees. the difference is amt of research performed.
get a bs if you can. you can always do a postgrad masters later while working full time as a pa.
 
emedpa,

I noticed that in your signature you still include EMT-P.

Do you need to maintain a separate license?

Do you really need it since you're a PA?

Any advantage to having both compared to an EM PA that doesn't have an EMT-P?

Just curious.
 
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emedpa,

I noticed that in your signature you still include EMT-P.

Do you need to maintain a separate license?

Do you really need it since you're a PA?

Any advantage to having both compared to an EM PA that doesn't have an EMT-P?

Just curious.

I was fortunate to work in a state that gave lifetime medic certification so my cert card says : expiration: none
I actually get a lot of em pa jobs based on my prior medic skills. many pa's are not comfortable running codes, intubating, starting their own lines, IO's, etc
working solo it helps to have those skills(and I use them regularly at my current job).
emt-p gives you a lot of "street cred" both with current medics and em docs. it means you have a certain skill set that you are comfortable with day 1. I still list it on my id's at work:
emedpa, pa-c, emt-p
I don't list my masters because I don't think that makes much of a difference.
 
epedma I've read a few of your post and seem like just the person I need to talk. I've also noticed that alot of people in the pa programs state that they have had some type of medical backround or you need some kind experience to get into pa programs. I've just enrolled in college and starting my prereqs and I have no medical training, what would you recommand for someone like myself who is just begining and would like to gain some type of experience.
 
EMT, CNA, MA(medical asst), and LPN can all be done in less than 1 yr and provide excellent background for pa school.
traditionally pa school applicants have significant prior medical experience. the better pa schools still require this and their grads tend to be the better pa's out there.
 
EMT, CNA, MA(medical asst), and LPN can all be done in less than 1 yr and provide excellent background for pa school.
traditionally pa school applicants have significant prior medical experience. the better pa schools still require this and their grads tend to be the better pa's out there.

emedpa,

What would you say the admissions hierarchy is for applicants to PA school (all else being equal)? Here's my guess:

EMT-P
RN
EMT
CNA
LPN
MA

That is, which are most competitive if all else is equal?
 
emedpa,

What would you say the admissions hierarchy is for applicants to PA school (all else being equal)? Here's my guess:

EMT-P
RN
EMT
CNA
LPN
MA

That is, which are most competitive if all else is equal?

1. emt-p/rn/rt
2. lpn
3. ma/emt
4. cna
 
emedpa,

What would you say the admissions hierarchy is for applicants to PA school (all else being equal)? Here's my guess:

EMT-P
RN
EMT
CNA
LPN
MA

That is, which are most competitive if all else is equal?

It's a sad day when corpsman or medic don't make the list....😉
 
It's a sad day when corpsman or medic don't make the list....😉

EMT-P=MEDIC. the P = paramedic. I would also rate military corpsman the same as medic. it wasn't on his rank list and I only categorized the ones he listed.
 
I would think respiratory therapists with good undergraduate grades and solid experience would be quite competitive as well.
 
Oops, clearly not.
rt's make great pa's. most of them end up going into pulmonology/critical care.
all the top students in my program were medics/nurses/rt's. a good pa/rt friend of mine ended up with a great trauma/cc job with a great scope of practice at which he precepts md students/residents/fellows in critical care medicine.
 
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I too just think of EMT-P as corpsman / medic.

So if I read your list correctly, the shortest path to competitive experience is LPN not EMT (short of paramedic) 'all else being equal'?

I guess I have some homework to do. I know nothing of LPN and its requirements.
 
I too just think of EMT-P as corpsman / medic.

So if I read your list correctly, the shortest path to competitive experience is LPN not EMT (short of paramedic) 'all else being equal'?

I guess I have some homework to do. I know nothing of LPN and its requirements.

If you can get into a LPN programme without being on a waiting list. For many LPN programmes, you will need pre-reqs followed by a year of school. Some LPN programmes are combined and self contained like many of the non-degree paramedic programmes.
 
I too just think of EMT-P as corpsman / medic.

So if I read your list correctly, the shortest path to competitive experience is LPN not EMT (short of paramedic) 'all else being equal'?

I guess I have some homework to do. I know nothing of LPN and its requirements.

lpn= 10 months after high school.
emt-basic=120 hrs

lpn is more competitive than emt-basic and a good way to get experience. some states use the terminology lvn (licensed vocational nurse).
 
lpn= 10 months after high school.
emt-basic=120 hrs

lpn is more competitive than emt-basic and a good way to get experience. some states use the terminology lvn (licensed vocational nurse).

Back to square one.

10 mo. LPN / LVN then 24 mo. ADN, then 24 mo. BSN...? Seems a crazy path compared to the alternatives, and RT is 24-48 months, same boat.

LPN / LVN at 10-12 months compared to 13 month ABSN / RN program or 30-36 month ELMSN / NP w/RN enroute in 13 months and the remainder of the program can be done part time.

I never quite understood why so many students in my anatomy class were switching from their initial plans to become a PA to RN or NP, but I think I'm beginning to see why.

Five of the guys I studied with had their EMT, but four switched to nursing. Two were ex-military medics. There are just so many more pathways and bridges to BSN or MSN, but more interestingly, one of the most competitive paths to becoming a PA seems to be an RN!

On the list that emedpa organized a EMT-P makes $42k around here, CRT makes $52k median, RRT $62k median, while median for an RN is $65k.

At $65k for a family of 4 in CA, that's just making ends meet.

LPN / lvn ($43k), ma ($32k), emt ($32k), cna ($30k) (The CA poverty line is ~$22k for two I believe) - all figures based on median income in the CA region where I live.

1. emt-p/rn/rt
2. lpn - poverty line + $21k
3. ma/emt - poverty line + $10k
4. cna - poverty line + $8k

So unlike the nursing profession where a career switcher can attain their BSN in a reasonable time period, through an ABSN program (13-24 mo) or MSN through an ELMSN program (30-36 mo), and a job where they can make a living ($65k), the PA profession seems to require a vow of poverty first 😛 or that they be an EMT-P ($42k) / RN ($65k) / RT ($52-62k) - (in order to be competitive for admission).

So if a career switcher started today with the objective of becoming a PA, the could do the LPN in 10-12 months (programs around here seem to take 12 months), then 2000 hrs of work (~ 1yr), then 24 months for the PA-C for a total of 4yrs. And they prefer you not work during the 24 months. So comparatively that's 11 months of lost income @$65k (after 13 months I could finish the rest of the MSN part-time).

The irony is that there are many PA programs that barely require any experience and one comes out with a MPA vs. PA-C. Yes, I know they do the same work, but just seems odd to me that one has to sacrifice more time for a certificate than a masters degree.

By the way, is the NCLEX for lpn same as bsn rn and msn np?
 
Firecloud: That is exactly why the vast majority of applicants to PA programs come with MA or EMT-B experience as they can qualify for those positions with less training and less $$ investment. Many of the younger applicants have worked summers, weekends, etc in these positions and cobbled together the requisite hours without putting themselves below poverty level along the way. As a PA educator, that's OK with me - nowadays it is as important to me that you understand the total lack of glamor involved in taking care of sick folks. The complexity of modern medicine means that only a limited portion of what you learned as an RT, EMT-P, medic, etc will continue to inform you as a more broadly trained PA. It's helpful of course and those with greater experience are more comfortable with patients and navigating the clinical arena. Having said that, frankly, there are times when "role stripping" becomes almost as important in those with extensive experience as adding to their knowledge base.
 
I am seriously considering a career a PA. I've come across alot of schools that require you to have your BS befer you can start there PA program, pretty much meaning that you'd be working towards your masters. I recently found out that Howard University offers a PA program where you would not need your BS. I guess my question is if I graudated with my BS would I have a problem getting work as PA without my masters?
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Howard is a Bachelor Degree program, but I wouldn't expect it to stay that way. There's an unstated hiring preference for PAs who went through a Master's program and Bachelors degree PA programs are being faded out.
 
Yea, there sure is...I live about 25 minutes from a PA school...they've had a b.s. program for 10 years and they're changing it over to a m.s...on the plus side, if i do go through the m.s. route i'll have the as/bs/ms trifecta
 
Firecloud: That is exactly why the vast majority of applicants to PA programs come with MA or EMT-B experience as they can qualify for those positions with less training and less $$ investment. Many of the younger applicants have worked summers, weekends, etc in these positions and cobbled together the requisite hours without putting themselves below poverty level along the way. As a PA educator, that's OK with me - nowadays it is as important to me that you understand the total lack of glamor involved in taking care of sick folks. The complexity of modern medicine means that only a limited portion of what you learned as an RT, EMT-P, medic, etc will continue to inform you as a more broadly trained PA. It's helpful of course and those with greater experience are more comfortable with patients and navigating the clinical arena. Having said that, frankly, there are times when "role stripping" becomes almost as important in those with extensive experience as adding to their knowledge base.

Jakester,

If there was some consistency between programs I can understand, but there are PA programs that require little to no experience <100hrs while others require 1000hrs+. From an outsider's perspective, it seems to me that programs with less hours simply expect that you'll learn what you need on the job, while other programs tend to believe that 1000hrs+ of patient interaction experience is a minimum for success in such programs.

And hours alone don't tell the story. 1000hrs of EMT experience in NYC is a lot more experience than 1000hrs of EMT experience in Sacramento.

It looks like all else being equal, NP still has the edge over PA.
 
Hi i am a MD physician from Armenia and i am looking forward For the PA course in USA... i am an Indian citizen ..can anyone plz guide me
1.which universities should i look for. I want to be near New jersey , and universities which can offer scholarship

I would also like to know hows the course overall ..and does the universities give preference to FMGs over other non medical background students

2.after the completion of the PA program ... what r the job opportunities? and can a PA Assist an surgical dept.?
 
Hello, clinician forum! I'm a senior in high school and I think becoming a PA would be one of the best career choices I could make.

A question, should I consider getting some medical experience(I was thinking maybe a pharmacy tech) before declaring pre-PA or would I be better off just taking the initial plunge?
 
At your age you should shoot for medschool.
pa school is really designed as a SECOND CAREER following years as a paramedic, nurse, resp. therapist, etc
the academic prereqs for pa school are getting closer and closer to those for medschool every yr(many pa schools now want ochem, biochem, etc) so you should just make that your focus.