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[alibai3ah]

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Interestingly enough, my family (siblings) offered to pay for a part of my medical education (assuming I get in) and I have made clear my intention to turn them down. Personally, I feel they helped me a lot in paying for high school / college. I strongly feel that family should be responsible for paying till college and NOT for professional school (or graduate school). I also feel strongly that parents should be responsible for paying for college.

Once you cross 21, it's time to learn financial responsibility for yourself. Learning these lessons young helps immensely as you grow older.

I might be in a different boat than the OP though, since I'm older (26) and I've already saved up for my first two years of medical school.

Wouldn't it be smarter to take a loan from your family members....No interest that way. It just seems like the more intelligent move to make if your parents have extra cash available.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

you can do what everyone else does and take out loans.

 

[klmnop]

You can get your MD and then you DC, because MD + DC is almost = DO.

Or you can tell them its either a DO, or you pursue your love of acting.

 

[IndianVercetti]

I think it's a cultural difference at play. For Asian/Indian parents, they're willing to throw huge sums of money for their children if it has anything to do with their education.

 

[mspeedwagon]

Interesting... my very Indian dad (from Goa) is not in agreement with you.

I think it's a cultural difference at play. For Asian/Indian parents, they're willing to throw huge sums of money for their children if it has anything to do with their education.

 

[IndianVercetti]

Interesting... my very Indian dad (from Goa) is not in agreement with you.

I didn't mean to generalize, of course.

 

[the1paradise]

I think it's a cultural difference at play. For Asian/Indian parents, they're willing to throw huge sums of money for their children if it has anything to do with their education.

Finding exceptions to this, IMO, is incredibly rare.

 

[zetabetazeta]

I think it's a cultural difference at play. For Asian/Indian parents, they're willing to throw huge sums of money for their children if it has anything to do with their education.

yea, I agree..but it might fit better if you change Asian/Indian parents to "Chinese/Indian parents" 😛

 

[Tin Man]

I really like the idea of a DO, we might even be at an advantage because of all the changes in healthcare. some people are looking more at alternative forms of medicine....

Alternative? Since when do DO's practice alternative forms of medicine? There's OMM, which I guess is less substantiated than most medical therapies, but I think it's a long stretch to assume that by being a DO, you'll be out of the medical industrial complex and can be considered to work under the banner of an "alternative form of medicine."

If you're looking for alternative medicine, you could do... you know, real alternative medicine. Like acupuncture. Or chiropractic. Or magnet therapy. Or ear candling. If you believe in that sort of thing. It'll be a lot cheaper. You don't need a medical degree. You don't really need a college degree. Hell, you don't even need to believe in germ theory. 😛

 

[womp]

What's with all the Asian parents bashing here?

Consider yourself lucky your Asian parents are even thinking about paying your tuition. And if their requirement is that you go to an MD school, then so be it. Or you can man up, max out your Stafford loans and go to the DO school. It's a simple choice. There's no moral dilemma here and your parents aren't evil for putting you in this "position."

What a bunch of brats here.

 

[christina30]

What's with all the Asian parents bashing here?

Consider yourself lucky your Asian parents are even thinking about paying your tuition. And if their requirement is that you go to an MD school, then so be it. Or you can man up, max out your Stafford loans and go to the DO school. It's a simple choice.

What a bunch of brats here.

It's great if they agree to help you, but for parents throwing their financial weight around to control what you do with your life as an adult? That's a load of ****.

 

[womp]

It's great if they agree to help you, but for parents throwing their financial weight around to control what you do with your life as an adult? That's a load of ****.

It's their money, and you aren't their dependent anymore. They can offer to buy you a red corvette if you go to an MD school for all I care. If you're really an independent adult, you don't have to accept it.

You guys sound like 13 year olds whining at the mall.

 

[christina30]

It's their money, and you aren't their dependent anymore.

You guys sound like 13 year olds whining at the mall.

exactly: so they shouldn't be trying to control their adult children. being a parent isn't about controlling your kids and their futures.

And this is coming from someone who'll be financing their own med school education. My parents paid for my private undergrad, private high school, and private elementary schools. They never held it over my head or tried to force me into something I didn't want to do.

 

[mspeedwagon]

If they offer the money, they can definitely do it with conditions. It's their money. I'm in your boat with the second paragraph.

exactly: so they shouldn't be trying to control their adult children. being a parent isn't about controlling your kids and their futures.

And this is coming from someone who'll be financing their own med school education. My parents paid for my private undergrad, private high school, and private elementary schools. They never held it over my head or tried to force me into something I didn't want to do.

 

[gocatgo]

OP, I'm assuming your parents are referring to U.S. allopathic schools, right?
Here's a scenario (I'm not saying this will happen to you)--what if you don't get into a U.S. M.D. school? Are your parents going to insist you go to an off-shore M.D. school instead of a U.S. D.O. school?
If that is the case, they need to know that going to an off-shore school is very risky these days. May end up $200,000-plus in debt without a residency to show for all the hard work in med school.

 

[jcpenny]

How about just tell them the truth that your grades are not competitive for MD schools and DO is your last resort at becoming a physician. You should sincerely ask for their support, if that still does not change their mind then I say fff it.

However, I would guess that they will eventually give in. I don't think they would disown you or anything if you decide to go to a DO school. You are going to be a DOCTOR afterall!

 

[ArsenalEPL4Life]

Seriously!?!?! To the OP this is a no brainer, if your parents are considering paying for your medical school then do whatever they ask. With that said, to me MD=DO. Im not trying to start any MD vs DO, heck I will be attending a DO school in the fall.... but if anyone offered me a debt free medical school education in the USA I would go to whichever school it is (MD/DO) in a heartbeat. I choose CCOM to stay close to my family (most important thing for me), but for tuition free I would have gone to Alaska and toughed it out for 4 years. Your parents are not trying to control you, they want whats best for you....I simply think they are just not educated on what a DO is.

When I first told my parents I was going to apply to medical school they were happy, I then told them I was applying to both MD and DO and they didnt understand. They are immigrants as well (Eastern Europe), and have never heard of DO. My mom asked her PCP what a DO was, and he told her he was a DO. My dad asked his PCP who is an MD, and he said that DO's are liscenced physicians as well.... in fact his practice is split with 2 MD's and 2 DO's. In addition, my mom found out her GI doctor is a DO. Many DO's in the Chicago area, which is great because this is where I plan to practice. My parents were never against the idea, they just didnt know what a DO was.

Educated your parents on what a DO is, and if they are still stubborn then go to whichever school they will pay for and be happy that you will be debt free!

 

[christina30]

Seriously!?!?! To the OP this is a no brainer, if your parents are considering paying for your medical school then do whatever they ask. With that said, to me MD=DO. Im not trying to start any MD vs DO, heck I will be attending a DO school in the fall.... but if anyone offered me a debt free medical school education in the USA I would go to whichever school it is (MD/DO) in a heartbeat. I choose CCOM to stay close to my family (most important thing for me), but for tuition free I would have gone to Alaska and toughed it out for 4 years. Your parents are not trying to control you, they want whats best for you....I simply think they are just not educated on what a DO is.

When I first told my parents I was going to apply to medical school they were happy, I then told them I was applying to both MD and DO and they didnt understand. They are immigrants as well (Eastern Europe), and have never heard of DO. My mom asked her PCP what a DO was, and he told her he was a DO. My dad asked his PCP who is an MD, and he said that DO's are liscenced physicians as well.... in fact his practice is split with 2 MD's and 2 DO's. In addition, my mom found out her GI doctor is a DO. Many DO's in the Chicago area, which is great because this is where I plan to practice. My parents were never against the idea, they just didnt know what a DO was.

Educated your parents on what a DO is, and if they are still stubborn then go to whichever school they will pay for and be happy that you will be debt free!

She says they're offering to pay a small amount, so she certainly won't be debt free. The question to OP is: Is the amount enough to make a significant difference?

Even so, the biggest problem seems to be that she doesn't have the grades for US MD schools.

 

[ArsenalEPL4Life]

She says they're offering to pay a small amount, so she certainly won't be debt free. The question to OP is: Is the amount enough to make a significant difference?

Even so, the biggest problem seems to be that she doesn't have the grades for US MD schools.

I didn't read that part. If thats the case, then OP, I would advise you not to pursue your medical education outside of the US if you plan on practicing in the US. I work for 5 physicians, and when I mentioned I was considering applying to the Carribean and some European medical schools they were all strongly oppossed to the idea. Two of them are FMG's themselves, both from India, and they told me it will only get harder for FMG's to practice in the US. In fact, one of the FMG's is married to a DO (she specializes in Dermatology).

 

[Cheshyre]

Regardless of the money that may or may not be paid by the parents, it's the OPs life. Plenty, perhaps a majority by a large margin, of students both MD and DO take their own loans through school.

Obviously in an Indian family striking out on your own can have its own set of consequences, but, fill out the FAFSA, save your W-2, and do what you have to in order to secure the life you want.

 

[mspeedwagon]

Sorry, missed this. Well, it would be from my siblings and not parents. However, even from my parents, I feel strongly that it is their money. They earned it and they should spend it on other things for them (or let it gain interest (which I realize isn't happening a lot) as they please).

I think paying ones own way through school is a good lesson in personal finance.

Wouldn't it be smarter to take a loan from your family members....No interest that way. It just seems like the more intelligent move to make if your parents have extra cash available.

 

[IndianVercetti]

Sorry, missed this. Well, it would be from my siblings and not parents. However, even from my parents, I feel strongly that it is their money. They earned it and they should spend it on other things for them (or let it gain interest (which I realize isn't happening a lot) as they please).

I think paying ones own way through school is a good lesson in personal finance.

While this may be true, many parents derive happiness from knowing that they are helping their children achieve their goals. I know that if someday I had a son/daughter pursuing higher education, I would definitely want to help them out however I can. I would almost feel negligent if I didn't contribute in some way in that situation.

Getting back to the original post though, as much as I want to say you should get your own loan, and forge ahead with DO, despite your parents sentiments, this may not be a very good idea from a family perspective, unless you truly do manage to change their mind.

 

[NYDOC112]

You could always show them the new ACGME resolution stating that only Those that earned an MD degree, can Use MD on their coats, IDs, Stamps Etc. Many foreign grad doctors earn the degree MBBS, like the degree in India, when they came to the US they were given MDs, Now however they MUST use MBBS not MD. This goes for all foreign countries that use this degree, and many Caribbean schools, All of them will now be MBBSs, this will set up 3 types of equivalent physicians in the US, MD, DO, and MBBS. Also there is legislation in congress, to ban all non-US medical schools from rotating in the US. Soon all the Caribbean students will not be allowed to rotate in the US, and if you thought getting a US residency was hard from the Caribbean already, wait until hospitals really wont accept them because they had ZERO training in the US...

 

[christina30]

You could always show them the new ACGME resolution stating that only Those that earned an MD degree, can Use MD on their coats, IDs, Stamps Etc. Many foreign grad doctors earn the degree MBBS, like the degree in India, when they came to the US they were given MDs, Now however they MUST use MBBS not MD. This goes for all foreign countries that use this degree, and many Caribbean schools, All of them will now be MBBSs, this will set up 3 types of equivalent physicians in the US, MD, DO, and MBBS. Also there is legislation in congress, to ban all non-US medical schools from rotating in the US. Soon all the Caribbean students will not be allowed to rotate in the US, and if you thought getting a US residency was hard from the Caribbean already, wait until hospitals really wont accept them because they had ZERO training in the US...

Really? That's pretty crazy! Do you have a source or a name of said bill? Not doubting you, just interested in learning more about this.

 

[elftown]

Really? That's pretty crazy! Do you have a source or a name of said bill? Not doubting you, just interested in learning more about this.

I wouldn't doubt it from what I heard. A former president of the New Jersey Association of Osteopathic Physicians & Surgeons (NJAOPS) was just telling me at DO Day on the Hill that these Caribbean schools were never supposed to be rotating in the U.S. like they are these days.

 

[Bacchus]

I can't find the ACGME's position anywhere. Sources?

 

[ncguy2005]

Really? That's pretty crazy! Do you have a source or a name of said bill? Not doubting you, just interested in learning more about this.

At first I thought this could be true, but then again, isn't what title you can use determined by each individual state? I didn't know the ACGME had any say on what can go on your name tag or jacket....

I agree with christina, I'd like to see a source for the bill and the acgme resolution.

EDIT: I did find this after a quick search:
http://www.ltsc.ucsb.edu/health/info_sheets/foreign.PDF

 

[JaggerPlate]

You could always show them the new ACGME resolution stating that only Those that earned an MD degree, can Use MD on their coats, IDs, Stamps Etc. Many foreign grad doctors earn the degree MBBS, like the degree in India, when they came to the US they were given MDs, Now however they MUST use MBBS not MD. This goes for all foreign countries that use this degree, and many Caribbean schools, All of them will now be MBBSs, this will set up 3 types of equivalent physicians in the US, MD, DO, and MBBS. Also there is legislation in congress, to ban all non-US medical schools from rotating in the US. Soon all the Caribbean students will not be allowed to rotate in the US, and if you thought getting a US residency was hard from the Caribbean already, wait until hospitals really wont accept them because they had ZERO training in the US...

Wow, using MBBS??? And us DOs complain about clarifying that!!!

 

[HeelHookin]

My Jewish, Bronx born parents, were not too thrilled about the idea of me going to a DO school. I just sat down with them and had them explain to me their concerns. The fact that they didn't know much about Osteopathic Medicine turned out to be the underlying issue. They are now very supportive of my goal to go to Osteopathic school. I think sitting them down and educating your parents is probably your best course of action.

 

[Bacchus]

My Jewish, Bronx born parents, were not too thrilled about the idea of me going to a DO school. I just sat down with them and had them explain to me their concerns. The fact that they didn't know much about Osteopathic Medicine turned out to be the underlying issue. They are now very supportive of my goal to go to Osteopathic school. I think sitting them down and educating your parents is probably your best course of action.

There are a lot of Jews in osteopathic medicine.

 

[NYDOC112]

I can't find the ACGME's position anywhere. Sources?

The position was sent to me when I was accepted into my residency in letter format, stating that we must declare only the degree we hold, Whether it be a MD, DO, MBBS, Etc... It went on to say that MBBS is not an MD and Must use their degree of MBBS, if you know anyone who recently got into a residency im sure they can show you the letter.

@Christina- Look up DO on the Hill day- it was a proposition introduced through that day by Physicians, that a few senators ran with.

 

[jisu23]

At the risk of sounding like a bigot ... I don't think I've seen one of these threads that didn't involve Asian/Indian parents. It sounds like this is just a cultural perception.

There are definitely things you can do ...

-Show them DOs working in prestigious positions at big hospitals
-Show them DOs on TV (Dr Will Kirby from E!'s Dr 90210 is a DO)
-Do some research on all your family's physicians. There is a decent chance there may be a DO somewhere in the mix (because they offer identical care and, despite you parents pre-conceived opinion, they wouldn't know the difference).

Then there is always plan B or C ...

B: Go to an MD school. Go US Allo or have them send you to a school in the Caribbean or India. I don't know if they will feel like they've "won" and will brag to their friends when you can't get a residency spot, but who knows.

C: Don't let them pay for your school. For all intents and purposes, you're an adult ... just go and pay for it yourself. They will come around eventually, and if then don't - their loss.

I've just been through this same thing recently too. Part of the reason why, I think, is that the "DOs" that they know of or heard of in their country are not MD equivalents and do not receive the same education as they do in the United States.

[edit]
To the OP, I was in the same situation - a couple uncles from the East wanted me to apply to foreign MD schools and told me they would pay for it. After many attempts to explain to them that DOs ARE physicians, I gave them a recent DO match list that contained competitive specialties (MD included) from the schools I applied to. I think they realized how resolute I was and just gave up bothering me about it. Good luck!

 

[Sam212]

Hey everyone!!!

my parents said they would only pay for med school if i do MD, not DO.

I really like the idea of a DO, we might even be at an advantage because of all the changes in healthcare. some people are looking more at alternative forms of medicine....

my question is how to convince my parents that a DO is legit...like the same as an MD?...

they get really angry at me when i bring it up...i KEEP telling them its hardly any different...but they still refuse to talk about it....they call it "garbage" 🙁

ive always been bad at standing up for my self when it comes to my parents...never went to prom...lol...my little sister is WAY better! lol🙂

what can i say to convince them? thanks guys!!! i know ur time is super valuable!!! i appreciate all of your help!!😀

I think this is really a lost cause and your parents will probably never be proud of you if you go DO. That's just how it is. I am south-asian as well and it's a matter of respect. Your paren't do not want you to be a doctor for the right reasons, in fact, they don't care about that at all and you know that being indian. All they care about is the prestige that'll come with it and how proud they would be to announce that their child is an MD, simple. You should try to get into an MD school anyway, not because your parents want you to, but for professional reasons, however, if you don't get in, absolutely do not let your parents affect your decision to go DO. Their reasoning is flawed and it's you who has to live your life, not them. If they pay for you, great, if not, there are always student loans for rest of us. Trust me, if you stand up for yourself, they will respect your decision.

 

[christina30]

@Christina- Look up DO on the Hill day- it was a proposition introduced through that day by Physicians, that a few senators ran with.

Haven't been able to find much about it! 🙁

 

[emno]

I think this is really a lost cause and your parents will probably never be proud of you if you go DO. That's just how it is. I am south-asian as well and it's a matter of respect. Your paren't do not want you to be a doctor for the right reasons, in fact, they don't care about that at all and you know that being indian. All they care about is the prestige that'll come with it and how proud they would be to announce that their child is an MD, simple. You should try to get into an MD school anyway, not because your parents want you to, but for professional reasons, however, if you don't get in, absolutely do not let your parents affect your decision to go DO. Their reasoning is flawed and it's you who has to live your life, not them. If they pay for you, great, if not, there are always student loans for rest of us. Trust me, if you stand up for yourself, they will respect your decision.

Try for some foriegn med school which offers MD

 

[jslo85]

Haven't been able to find much about it! 🙁

Found this but it's quite old (clinton adminstration).

http://imgi.net/quanovgradof1.html

I don't know if it holds true especially with the "physician shortage" that we are now facing. Rather I skimmed a few articles detailing how the Obama adminstration might try to make things easier for foreign medical students especially those from India.

edit: Nevermind that's very old data. The current trend seems to be trying to lift the ACGME cap to fill the physician shortage. This is just one of the several ones that echoed this but it's also relatively old

http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/smd/newsletter/article.cfm?id=105

Again, I could be wrong but it's the trend i'm seeing online

 

[HeelHookin]

There are a lot of Jews in osteopathic medicine.

Yeah I know that. That was not the reason they were against me going to Osteopathic school. They were just misinformed. I only mentioned it to show that it wasn't solely an Asian/Indian occurrence.

 

[christina30]

Found this but it's quite old (clinton adminstration).

http://imgi.net/quanovgradof1.html

I don't know if it holds true especially with the "physician shortage" that we are now facing. Rather I skimmed a few articles detailing how the Obama adminstration might try to make things easier for foreign medical students especially those from India.

edit: Nevermind that's very old data. The current trend seems to be trying to lift the ACGME cap to fill the physician shortage. This is just one of the several ones that echoed this but it's also relatively old

http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/smd/newsletter/article.cfm?id=105

Again, I could be wrong but it's the trend i'm seeing online

well NYCDOC mentioned DO Day on the Hill, which was just held a week or 2 ago, but I haven't been able to find much of anything online about it.

 

[drctother]

While I totally agree that family is important, I have to ask you guys this:

If your parents control your lives that much by being able to completely influence your career, are you really going into Medicine for the right reasons or are you just trying to satisfy your parents?

If your parents dont agree, ok thats great... but to give up on DO because your mom and dad shake their fingers..... that just ridiculous. If you were 16 years old it makes more sense, but you guys are supposed to be ADULTS because children shouldnt be getting admitted into medical school. I think you are old enough to make your own decisions, if not please don't apply and save the admission spots for people who arent forced into a career by their parents.

Good Luck and hopefully your parents will not completely control your lives

 

[Colonol Forbin]

DO is not the same as MD

Theres a reason its easier to get into DO, and thus you cannot convince them it's equivalent bc it just simply isn't

 

[scotchtapetest]

I think this is really a lost cause and your parents will probably never be proud of you if you go DO. That's just how it is. I am south-asian as well and it's a matter of respect. Your paren't do not want you to be a doctor for the right reasons, in fact, they don't care about that at all and you know that being indian. All they care about is the prestige that'll come with it and how proud they would be to announce that their child is an MD, simple. You should try to get into an MD school anyway, not because your parents want you to, but for professional reasons, however, if you don't get in, absolutely do not let your parents affect your decision to go DO. Their reasoning is flawed and it's you who has to live your life, not them. If they pay for you, great, if not, there are always student loans for rest of us. Trust me, if you stand up for yourself, they will respect your decision.

Go to MD school for "professional reasons" what does that mean?



From your other posts it appears that you are one of our disgruntled osteopathic students who like to blame everything on the profession and not their own shortcomings. Maybe you guys should form a group or something…


I'm sorry if you didn't get into MD programs but some of us did and chose DO over US-MD. Not necessarily because of any philosophical reasons, simply because the DO school happened to be better than the MD school (what a shocker to say that on SDN)!


Which brings me to my next point regarding the garbage about how your chances at a good, which usually means ivy-league, residency is shot because you are a DO. Next time, look at your favorite ivy-league residency resident list, and you will soon realize the vast majority of them graduated from an ivy-league medical school which happened to be MD schools. So even if you go to your run-of-the mill state MD school CHANCES are that you still won't match into your favorite ivy-league residency. So it has nothing to do with the degree (DO vs MD) but with where you went to school (top 20 vs not-top 20). Relative to graduating DO/MD ratio (1:5), there are as many DOs in top residencies as there are individuals graduating from average state MD schools. There are many DO schools in this country that surpass many state MD schools.


If you get in to an ivy-league medical school, you'll be an idiot not go. But after that it is all the same and the match has proved it year after year.

 

[J1515]

DO is not the same as MD

Theres a reason its easier to get into DO, and thus you cannot convince them it's equivalent bc it just simply isn't

You must be a practicing physician since you know that as fact. Care to enlighten us all to the differences in schooling?

 

[christina30]

DO is not the same as MD

Theres a reason its easier to get into DO, and thus you cannot convince them it's equivalent bc it just simply isn't

Oh boy you are so informed!

Some DO schools are harder to get into than their MD counterparts, fyi.

Stop throwing your ignorant crap around here, plz. 🙂

 

[Sam212]

Go to MD school for “professional reasons” what does that mean?



From your other posts it appears that you are one of our disgruntled osteopathic students who like to blame everything on the profession and not their own shortcomings. Maybe you guys should form a group or something…


I’m sorry if you didn’t get into MD programs but some of us did and chose DO over US-MD. Not necessarily because of any philosophical reasons, simply because the DO school happened to be better than the MD school (what a shocker to say that on SDN)!


Which brings me to my next point regarding the garbage about how your chances at a good, which usually means ivy-league, residency is shot because you are a DO. Next time, look at your favorite ivy-league residency resident list, and you will soon realize the vast majority of them graduated from an ivy-league medical school which happened to be MD schools. So even if you go to your run-of-the mill state MD school CHANCES are that you still won’t match into your favorite ivy-league residency. So it has nothing to do with the degree (DO vs MD) but with where you went to school (top 20 vs not-top 20). Relative to graduating DO/MD ratio (1:5), there are as many DOs in top residencies as there are individuals graduating from average state MD schools. There are many DO schools in this country that surpass many state MD schools.


If you get in to an ivy-league medical school, you’ll be an idiot not go. But after that it is all the same and the match has proved it year after year.

lol, chief I am perfectly content with my osteopathic education, trust me I am. In fact I am very happy just to have a chance to become a doctor. I have no desire to an MD and will proudly flaunt my DO degree. However, I realize that there are a few limitations being a DO, for the most part DO=MD and I know that. Your rant does not discount the fact that as a DO, there are certain programs you cannot match into, and a state-school MD can. Not talking about some uber-competitive fields but checkout MGH or UCSF Anesthesiology, or Carolinas or Cincy for EM. Now I know that DOs can get into Anesthesiology but these are some of the programs they have not been able to attain yet. The bias is even more prevalent in more competitive fields and you know that. So why so agitated when I tell her to look at MD schools first? There's definitely a little bias and she'll have more open doors as an MD, I know it and so do you. If you got into an MD school and didn't attend then you shot yourself in the foot if you want to match Plastics or Urology.

 

[Colonol Forbin]

Oh boy you are so informed!

Some DO schools are harder to get into than their MD counterparts, fyi.

Stop throwing your ignorant crap around here, plz. 🙂

really though? please enlighten me - what such schools? other then MAYBE the very best DO being harder then the absolute worst MD scholl, I dont think this is the case at all....

FUrthermore, I doubt there a very many DO students that had MD acceptances, but instead chose DO..of course there are exceptions, but for the most part this just doesnt happen

 

[christina30]

really though? please enlighten me - what such schools? other then MAYBE the very best DO being harder then the absolute worst MD scholl, I dont think this is the case at all....

FUrthermore, I doubt there a very many DO students that had MD acceptances, but instead chose DO..of course there are exceptions, but for the most part this just doesnt happen

It does happen - it happens a lot more than you think. Most students are concerned about more than just the two letters they get at the end of their name.

And your bolded statement? Pure ignorance. You clearly have no clue about DO schools in general.

 

[IndianVercetti]

FUrthermore, I doubt there a very many DO students that had MD acceptances, but instead chose DO..of course there are exceptions, but for the most part this just doesnt happen

You'd be surprised.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

really though? please enlighten me - what such schools? other then MAYBE the very best DO being harder then the absolute worst MD scholl, I dont think this is the case at all....

FUrthermore, I doubt there a very many DO students that had MD acceptances, but instead chose DO..of course there are exceptions, but for the most part this just doesnt happen

Realistically DO and MD are not the same. I mean there's a O versus a M, I mean its so difficult to get around, you probably would need to hover in a elliptical method around the O for a while.
But in all seriousness a MD = DO, by law. Of course DO schools are somewhat easier to get into by some standards. But by other standards they are not.
When you look at the top DO colleges (PCOM,KCOM,CCOM) you'll see that their match lists are better then some mid tier MD schools.
I know a few people who choose DO over MD, my friend got into UMD but lived in Cali, and got accepted to a DO school in Cali. He choose DO.

I think you should consider doing research on DO or MD.
Again, why should we really care. You perception is one of a pre-medical student of whom has less then a 50% chance of even getting into medical school DO or otherwise.

 

[Colonol Forbin]

Realistically DO and MD are not the same. I mean there's a O versus a M, I mean its so difficult to get around, you probably would need to hover in a elliptical method around the O for a while.
But in all seriousness a MD = DO, by law. Of course DO schools are somewhat easier to get into by some standards. But by other standards they are not.
When you look at the top DO colleges (PCOM,KCOM,CCOM) you'll see that their match lists are better then some mid tier MD schools.
I know a few people who choose DO over MD, my friend got into UMD but lived in Cali, and got accepted to a DO school in Cali. He choose DO.

I think you should consider doing research on DO or MD.
Again, why should we really care. You perception is one of a pre-medical student of whom has less then a 50% chance of even getting into medical school DO or otherwise.

yes by law they are, but in reality they are not. most patients would choose MD over DO if they have the choice, unless that DO is very very reputable.

second, I ahve gotten into medical school....so dont tell me my odds

and pcom AVERAGE is 3.43 gpa and 26 mcat

for almost any MD school, not only would you not get in with those state together, but you probably wouldnt get in with that mcat score even with a 3.9 - although im sure its happend, and IM sure there are exceptions i.e. non traditional appplicants that have solved cancer so to speak...but nonetheless...thats teh AVERAGE...meaning your getting people with 24/25 and 3.3s getting in - stats that NO MD school would accept

 

[Colonol Forbin]

It does happen - it happens a lot more than you think. Most students are concerned about more than just the two letters they get at the end of their name.

And your bolded statement? Pure ignorance. You clearly have no clue about DO schools in general.

...and as for you, im still waiting for you to show me a DO school thats harder to get into then an MD school, as you so claimed earlier