PASS/FAIL and CLASS RANK

[Medicine2010]

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is pass/fail really pass/fail or do competitive residency programs ask schools for students' class rank (or test scores, etc)?

While I feel that students should strive to master material and aim for top grades, it seems unfair that residency programs could evaluate us based on a number most people don't know would be disclosed.

 

[dermpathlover]

is pass/fail really pass/fail or do competitive residency programs ask schools for students' class rank (or test scores, etc)?

While I feel that students should strive to master material and aim for top grades, it seems unfair that residency programs could evaluate us based on a number most people don't know would be disclosed.

waah waahhhh wahhhhh!!!!!! Too F'n bad.

 

[newbie333]

waah waahhhh wahhhhh!!!!!! Too F'n bad.

Hi Medicine2010,
Do not be offended by this grandiloquent popinjay; he is but a lonely, feckless troll from the pathology forum, who despite his annoying, mindless drivel, does provide entertainment for the "real" pathology residents as a target for occasional bouts of sarcastic merriment. He has an opinion on everything, yet knowledge of nothing. Crawl back beneath the bridge dermpathloSer.

 

[Medicine2010]

thanks newbie. anyone know if rank is ever taken into consideration at P/F med schools?

 

[randomedstudent]

thanks newbie. anyone know if rank is ever taken into consideration at P/F med schools?

My med school is technically pass/fail, but they do keep track of class rank which is used to determine AOA and is reported to residencies as far as I know. Don't know if this is true for most others or not.

 

[jocg27]

how can you find out whether your school does this? I do think it's unfair scores are used without people realizing, and especially unfair because some people do find out that the scores matter from some inside scoop or whatever - seems like everyone should get a equal amount of information about how they'll be ranked against their classmates.

Anyway, will your dean or whoever give you a straight answer about this? Or is it bad form to ask?

 

[newbie333]

is pass/fail really pass/fail or do competitive residency programs ask schools for students' class rank (or test scores, etc)?

While I feel that students should strive to master material and aim for top grades, it seems unfair that residency programs could evaluate us based on a number most people don't know would be disclosed.

This was also posted on the Allo forum. More replys there:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=315812

You may also want to find out what format your school uses for the "Dean's Letter" (MSPE). Here is what AAMC recommends - see the appendices at the bottom of the document.

http://www.aamc.org/students/eras/re.../mspeguide.pdf

 

[Winged Scapula]

Now, it may differ for other specialties, but as I recall, every candidate application I reviewed for general surgery had an MSPE with class ranking or at the very least, a graph which shows your performance relative to others in your class, included.