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pass/fail?; honors/pass/fail?

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  1. precisionplus

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    Can someone give be the grading systems for the following schools? I'm trying to finalize decisions and I seem to have forgotten what the grading systems were. Is there a centralized list somewhere?

    AECOM

    Drexel

    Georgetown

    Harvard

    NYMED

    Robert Wood Johnson

    Rochester

    Tufts

    UMASS

    UPENN

    Thanks!
     
  2. Neuronix

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    UPenn is P/F for the first 6 months, followed by H/P/F for the next year, and then followed by H/HP/P/LP/F for clinics.
     
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    H/HP/P/LP/F for clinics


    whats the point of having those grades. as if thats different from a b c d
     
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    Most schools have grades in the clinics. The reason schools have mostly switched from not having grades in the basic science years is because residency directors pretty much don't care how you do in your basic science years. Because it's the clinical grades and letters that really count, most schools keep them in order to establish rank in the class.
     
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    like, HP/P/F is okay. but AOA P/Sortahigh P/Normal P/Below average pass/ Low P/Fail is ridiculous.
     
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    Pass/Fail or equivalent
    Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva University
    Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine
    David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA
    Duke University School of Medicine
    Harvard Medical School
    Keck School of Medicine of the University of Southern California
    Loma Linda University School of Medicine
    McGill University Faculty of Medicine
    Memorial University of Newfoundland
    Mercer University School of Medicine
    Morehouse School of Medicine
    Mount Sinai School of Medicine of New York University
    New York University School of Medicine
    Northwestern University, Feinberg School of Medicine
    Ohio State University College of Medicine and Public Health
    Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
    Stanford University School of Medicine
    University of Calgary Faculty of Medicine
    University of California, Davis, School of Medicine
    University of California, San Francisco, School of Medicine
    University of Chicago Division of the Biological Sciences The Pritzker School of Medicine
    University of Connecticut School of Medicine
    University of Hawaii John A. Burns School of Medicine
    University of Kentucky College of Medicine
    University of Manitoba Faculty of Medicine
    University of Massachusetts Medical School
    University of Michigan Medical School
    University of Minnesota Medical School - Twin Cities
    University of Missouri-Columbia School of Medicine
    University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry
    University of Saskatchewan College of Medicine
    University of Utah School of Medicine
    University of Washington School of Medicine
    Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine
    Wayne State University School of Medicine
    Wright State University School of Medicine
    Yale University School of Medicine

    Honors/Pass/Fail or equivalent
    Boston University School of Medicine
    Brown Medical School
    Creighton University School of Medicine
    Dartmouth Medical School
    Howard University College of Medicine
    Joan & Sanford I. Weill Medical College of Cornell University
    Mayo Medical School
    McMaster University School of Medicine
    Michigan State University College of Human Medicine
    Ponce School of Medicine
    Queen's University Faculty of Health Sciences
    Rush Medical College of Rush University
    Saint Louis University School of Medicine
    Stony Brook University Health Sciences Center School of Medicine
    The University of Western Ontario Faculty of Medicine & Dentistry
    Tufts University School of Medicine
    University of Alberta Faculty of Medicine and Dentistry
    University of Arizona College of Medicine
    University of Arkansas College of Medicine
    University of British Columbia Faculty of Medicine
    University of California, Irvine, College of Medicine
    University of California, San Diego, School of Medicine
    University of Colorado Health Sciences Center School of Medicine
    University of Illinois College of Medicine
    University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria
    University of Illinois College of Medicine at Rockford
    University of Illinois College of Medicine at Urbana-Champaign
    University of Louisville School of Medicine
    University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill School of Medicine
    University of Ottawa Faculty of Medicine
    University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
    University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
    University of Toronto Faculty of Medicine
    University of Vermont College of Medicine
    West Virginia University School of Medicine

    ABCF or Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail or equivalent
    Brody School of Medicine at East Carolina University
    Drexel University College of Medicine
    East Tennessee State University James H. Quillen College of Medicine
    Eastern Virginia Medical School
    Finch University of Health Sciences/ The Chicago Medical School
    George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Sciences
    Georgetown University School of Medicine
    Indiana University School of Medicine
    Louisiana State University School of Medicine in New Orleans
    Louisiana State University School of Medicine in Shreveport
    Loyola University Chicago Stritch School of Medicine
    Medical College of Ohio
    Meharry Medical College School of Medicine
    New York Medical College
    Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
    Pennsylvania State University College of Medicine
    State University of New York Downstate Medical Center College of Medicine
    State University of New York Upstate Medical University
    The Texas A & M University System Health Science Center College of Medicine
    The University of Iowa Roy J. and Lucille A. Carver College of Medicine
    UMDNJ--New Jersey Medical School
    Universidad Central del Caribe School of Medicine
    University of Minnesota - Duluth School of Medicine
    University of Nevada School of Medicine
    University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine
    University of South Florida College of Medicine
    University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston
    Vanderbilt University School of Medicine
    Wake Forest University School of Medicine

    ABCDF or equivalent
    Albany Medical College
    Baylor College of Medicine
    Emory University School of Medicine
    Florida State University College of Medicine
    Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine at Marshall University
    Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
    Laval University Faculty of Medicine
    Medical College of Georgia School of Medicine
    Medical College of Wisconsin
    Oregon Health & Science University School of Medicine
    Temple University School of Medicine
    Tulane University School of Medicine
    UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
    Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences F. Edward Hebert School of Medicine
    Universite de Sherbrooke Faculty of Medicine
    University of Alabama School of Medicine
    University of Cincinnati College of Medicine
    University of Florida College of Medicine
    University of Kansas School of Medicine
    University of Maryland School of Medicine
    University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Medicine
    University of Nebraska College of Medicine
    University of New Mexico School of Medicine
    University of Oklahoma College of Medicine
    University of South Alabama College of Medicine
    University of South Dakota School of Medicine
    University of Tennessee Health Science Center College of Medicine
    University of Texas Medical School at Houston
    University of Texas Medical School at San Antonio
    University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas Southwestern Medical School
    University of Virginia School of Medicine
    University of Wisconsin Medical School
    Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine

    Funky ones
    Columbia (1st year is P/F , 2nd year is H/P/F) - per CalbeE
     
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    Wow, you rock for spending all that time organizing this list.
    :thumbup:
     
  9. precisionplus

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    wow, this is great... thanks alot!
     
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    I don't think I see Columbia up there anywhere.

    1st year is P/F
    2nd year is H/P/F
     
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    Correction: MCW is Honors/High Pass/Pass/low pass/Fail. I know the op doesn't really care about MCW, but I gotta show support for my school!:D
     
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    mr red...dont worry about changing it...

    the other poster prolly didnt understand the "or equivalent" part.
     
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    Are you discriminating against New York schools? Where's Cornell Weill? ;) (I don't know about its grading system though)
     
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    since your class rank matters for your deans letter, aoa and finally residency, does this whole P/F thing have any meaning??
     
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    I don't know about other schools, but the above list is wrong for UMass, at least. Years 1-2 are Honors/pass/fail; years 3-4 are outstanding/above expected/expected/below expected/fail.

    I posted on this in a thread about UMass in the pre-allo forum.
     
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    LOL! So many ways to explain the same damn thing. Grades.
     
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    Cornell's pass/fail I believe the first two years
     
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    Starting with my class (class of 2007), UVa is pass/fail for years 1 and 2, with the top 20% overall after the first two years receiving honors. 4th year is also p/f, with grades only in third year.
     
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    just an interesting sidenote... when i was at upenn interviewing, someone asked the dean what the grading system was, and he honestly had no idea. his assistant had to step in and describe it. :confused:
     
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    Yeah, we have like 23894723984702374 deans and asst. deans for all sorts of things. The head dean doesn't get very involved with cirriculum. The deans that deal with cirriculum issues should know the grading system, because a contingent of students complain about the H/P/F every year.
     
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    Actually I believe Michigan has a P/F system the first year. The second year it switches to a A/B/C/D equivalent (high pass, pass...etc) grading system.
     
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    i prefer letter grades not pass fail or +/-
     
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    bzump. help please.
     
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    I was at Temple the other day, and the tour guides said they had an honors/pass/fail system, but that's not what the aamc site says. Can anyone verify this?
     
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  25. Other considerations go into AOA, I believe. Comments/written evaluations from teachers, evaluations during clinical rotations, board scores, etc. may all play a part.
     
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    thanks dr. reddly & leavesam! :)
     

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