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Dave Copperfield

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Hey everybody,

Not sure if this should get posted in pre allo or allo for the best advice, but here goes:

I have been really into the idea of true pass fail medical schools lately. I had a friend who went to a very competitive p/f/honors med school and found that the first two years of pressure didn't prop him up nicely for the third year, which was the most stressful of all. While on interviews, a theory of mine, (which is that true p/f kids don't worry so much about grades as the rest of the med community) seemed to be true. I interviewed at two true p/f and two p/f/h. The p/f/h kids seemed much more concerned about their classes and grades, and the p/f kids seemed to talk alot about how they helped eachother out to pass and spent most of their emotional energy on the boards.

Is it clear what I am saying here? In a way, is it not more advantageous to go to a less competitive, more relaxed true p/f school, where the first two years feel less like hardcore grinding? Won't that let students focus more on boards rather than getting good grades the first two years? Won't that enable a better third year performance? Ultimately, won't better board scores and a better third year performance trump a lower performance at a more prestigious program?

So what is the consensus here? More prestigious p/f/h school or less recognized true p/f school with a community known for its "chillaxness?" Which sets a person with my personality up better for residency success? Am I overestimating the importance of first two year grades? Am I missing a secret metric that both schools share? Enlighten me!

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My school I'll be matriculating at is true PF with no internal ranking and I have to say I'm so happy. I did a competitive SMP where getting the best grades in med classes was very tough and stressful. Being able to focus on the passion part of medical studies rather than the grading part is going to be great.

The benefit to HPF is that strong students have more time to distinguish themselves for AOA and whatever.
 
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do all schools that internally rank release this info to inquiring residency programs?
 
My school I'll be matriculating at is true PF with no internal ranking and I have to say I'm so happy. I did a competitive SMP where getting the best grades in med classes was very tough and stressful. Being able to focus on the passion part of medical studies rather than the grading part is going to be great.

The benefit to HPF is that strong students have more time to distinguish themselves for AOA and whatever.

Does this mean that AOA is not based off of class rank?
 
do all schools that internally rank release this info to inquiring residency programs?
We are expected to be transparent with regard to a student's relative success in medical school.
This usually means that an explanation of the student's adjective (if any) is included in the MSPE ("Dean's letter").
 
Anyone have a list of the True P/F schools?

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Wow, this is news to me.

Every medical school keeps an internal rank and will basically share it on residency time? This p/f business is just to keep stress levels low, but is actually not true?
 
Wow, this is news to me.

Every medical school keeps an internal rank and will basically share it on residency time? This p/f business is just to keep stress levels low, but is actually not true?
In a competency-based curriculum, you are not competing against each other for grades.
Each school can decide which students have distinguished themselves for the MSPE based on criteria that the students know from the beginning.
In fact, just about everybody gets a glowing MSPE. That is one of the reasons PD's give for relying on USMLE scores.
 
What is MSPE?

So, how important are first two year grades and ranks anyway?
The MSPE is a summary of your achievement in medical school (Dean's Letter).
The grades in the first two years (if any) mean very little. Repeating years or multiple flunks, on the other hand, can have an effect.
 
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