PAT Rapid Eye Technique?

[koolaidman]

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I'm having trouble with angle ranking. I tried the hill method, but I'm only getting 10/15 correct. What other methods are there? A lot of SDN member have mentioned the rapid eye technique. Can someone explain to me how to use the rapid eye method? Thanks!

 

[Gomsemari]

hey i feel for u !
so what i did was, first try to figure out the smallest angle, and this will filter out the answer choices. then find the largest angle.
then with the remaining angles, look briefly at the vertex of the angle and tryyy to see which is larger / smaller. then just go with ur gut !
dont stare at the angles too long, it will confuse u even more.

 

[FLOSS UR TEETH]

I'm having trouble with angle ranking. I tried the hill method, but I'm only getting 10/15 correct. What other methods are there? A lot of SDN member have mentioned the rapid eye technique. Can someone explain to me how to use the rapid eye method? Thanks!

unfortunately, on the real test there are only 2-3 gimmies. I know for a fact that this is what brought my score down cuz i definitely nailed all the other sections. Best advice is to look at the fuzziness at the angle vertex and if its fuzzier its smaller- this will only work on SOME. I also used the laptop technique which is envisioning them as laptops and seeing which one is more closed.... this section is really what makes or breaks a perfect score IMO.

 

[FutureDental88]

"rapid-eye technique" is only good in theory... It does not work on tests because you simply CAN NOT move your eyes that rapidly to the the tiny differences between 4 angles.

 

[condog51]

"rapid-eye technique" is only good in theory... It does not work on tests because you simply CAN NOT move your eyes that rapidly to the the tiny differences between 4 angles.

It is good in theory and WORKS with PROPER application... Trust me I know, I am the one who created this technique. I got a perfect score in angles and a overall PAT in the 99.8%. You Do Not rapidly move your eyes over all 4 of the angles at the same time. Rather, you only compaire 2 angles at a time... Obviously you are not doing it correctly. My tech works, it did for me, and has for hundreds of other students.

 

[jefff]

creating and popularizing are two separate things

 

[FROGGBUSTER]

It is good in theory and WORKS with PROPER application... Trust me I know, I am the one who created this technique. I got a perfect score in angles and a overall PAT in the 99.8%. You Do Not rapidly move your eyes over all 4 of the angles at the same time. Rather, you only compaire 2 angles at a time... Obviously you are not doing it correctly. My tech works, it did for me, and has for hundreds of other students.

how do you know your angles score?

 

[AlbinoPolarBear]

It is good in theory and WORKS with PROPER application... Trust me I know, I am the one who created this technique. I got a perfect score in angles and a overall PAT in the 99.8%. You Do Not rapidly move your eyes over all 4 of the angles at the same time. Rather, you only compaire 2 angles at a time... Obviously you are not doing it correctly. My tech works, it did for me, and has for hundreds of other students.

I know you are trying to advertise for your website, but this is a very misleading statement.

You stated that you got 25 on the PAT, so you did not get perfect.

There's no way of knowing your exact scores for each section as the ADA does not release this, so you might have lost all of your points on angles for all you know.

I've never used any of your techniques, as I didn't know about them when I studied for the DAT. I've defended your website as it seems to be helping people, but giving misleading statements like this doesn't give you any points on a forum that you are trying to advertise to.

 

[cadat]

Ross,

You need to put up more videos on your site showing how to use it instead of just simply saying........"you are not doing it right". It is very difficult to use this technique as the first few posters were saying when angles are really small. Crack dat pat has different on screen rotations and those different rotations make it hard to tell which angle is bigger bc the reference is gone. It isnt really so obvious by just looking at the angles when they are 2-4 degrees apart.

"Hundreds of people". come on now. a few have said that it works, but lets not get carried away. the only way any of us can REALLY see if this technique works is to see you do this in person. unfortunately none of thus can do that. you need to help us see what you are getting at bc you make these seem black and white. those angles are very small in degree differences and they are rotated. that can screw up the mind.

lucky tangerines, a poster got a 30 on the PAT and said that they boxed the angles. what does that mean? he/she said it was easy to apply the hill method with this idea on the real exam. i find the hill method/laptop method very difficult to apply again bc of the different on screen rotations.

can someone elaborate on how the angles were presented in the exam? were they boxed? what made what methods easier/harder to apply, etc.?


I have seen many different technqiues and none of them address every angle situation.

 

[Philippines03j]

creating and popularizing are two separate things

+1

All of these methods that are being thrown out on the table take a lot of practice so don't give up on it because you don't get it right away (trying to stay positive 😀)

cadat: I had the same problem...There are several different variables that make angle ranking difficult. I will list a few.

1. Small difference between the angles (2-5 degrees)
2. Angles are rotated in different orientations
3. Acute and Obtuse angles
4. Length of arms (? whatever you want to call them) on the angles can also differ

Each of these variables make it difficult to become good at angles. I actually used a combination of methods while I was studying for the DAT. The method I used depended on whether the angles were acute or obtuse, rotated, or the arm lengths were different size.

I used the "rapid eye technique" for most if not all acute angles but for some reason I couldn't see the difference as well for the obtuse angles. So I used the Hill method instead for almost all of the obtuse angles. I had slight modifications that I used depending on the situation. If there was a large difference in arm length I tried to focus on the inner most part of the angle where the two arms meet. However, in all cases I always found the most obtuse or most acute angle (whichever was most obvious) and then worked from there (only comparing 2 angles at a time).

I haven't watched ross's videos so I don't know how he explains it but I actually think of it as a "Quick Glance". For the sake of explaining this I will use the most acute and compare it to one other angle. I look away from the screen for a second to clear my vision. Then look back at the most acute angle and then quickly glance at the angle I am comparing it to and then glance back at the most acute angle and back at the other. This means I see each angle 2 times while I am comparing them (much more than that and they start looking the same again). Make a decision on which is bigger or smaller. Then I move on comparing another 2 angles.

Anyways I will stop jabbering... Hope you guys get the hang if it. good luck👍

 

[cadat]

hey your input is welcome dont feel shy at all. the question I have is, how did you handle the different rotations, I feel like the hill method becomes impossible when you are trying to compare one leg to a "diagonal ground". You lose the idea of how steep it is?

any ideas? again thanks for your input.

 

[LuckyTangerines]

+1

All of these methods that are being thrown out on the table take a lot of practice so don't give up on it because you don't get it right away (trying to stay positive 😀)

cadat: I had the same problem...There are several different variables that make angle ranking difficult. I will list a few.

1. Small difference between the angles (2-5 degrees)
2. Angles are rotated in different orientations
3. Acute and Obtuse angles
4. Length of arms (? whatever you want to call them) on the angles can also differ

Each of these variables make it difficult to become good at angles. I actually used a combination of methods while I was studying for the DAT. The method I used depended on whether the angles were acute or obtuse, rotated, or the arm lengths were different size.

I used the "rapid eye technique" for most if not all acute angles but for some reason I couldn't see the difference as well for the obtuse angles. So I used the Hill method instead for almost all of the obtuse angles. I had slight modifications that I used depending on the situation. If there was a large difference in arm length I tried to focus on the inner most part of the angle where the two arms meet. However, in all cases I always found the most obtuse or most acute angle (whichever was most obvious) and then worked from there (only comparing 2 angles at a time).

I haven't watched ross's videos so I don't know how he explains it but I actually think of it as a "Quick Glance". For the sake of explaining this I will use the most acute and compare it to one other angle. I look away from the screen for a second to clear my vision. Then look back at the most acute angle and then quickly glance at the angle I am comparing it to and then glance back at the most acute angle and back at the other. This means I see each angle 2 times while I am comparing them (much more than that and they start looking the same again). Make a decision on which is bigger or smaller. Then I move on comparing another 2 angles.

Anyways I will stop jabbering... Hope you guys get the hang if it. good luck👍

^ I used this exact method as well with angles.

And to cadat, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I'll try my best to explain. On CDP, the angles on the program were just shown floating across the screen. On the DAT, rather than showing the four angles floating on the screen, each angle was surrounded by a rectangular border. Because of this, using the "hill method" for obtuse angles was easier because I didn't really have to turn my head as much as what I had to do when doing angles on CDP. I assumed the rectangular borders around each angle was perpendicular so this gave me something to compare to when looking at the angles. I hope this all make sense and good luck!

 

[cadat]

thanks for replying lucky tangerines. to get a 30 on the PAT means that you had to have for sure aced the angle section. I think that does make sense about the borders. I find myself with no consistency on the cdp angles. I go to the 2500 angle ranking problems and i get upwards of 80% right on 4 degrees sometimes but then I miss my fair share in a row as well(ill get 5 in a row wrong).

so what u are saying is that the boxed angles can be compared to ninety degrees better and its easier to see how far away from 90 degrees it is. that is a cool thing u brought up bc sometimes its difficult to know exactly what 90 degrees is.

 

[condog51]

I know you are trying to advertise for your website, but this is a very misleading statement.

You stated that you got 25 on the PAT, so you did not get perfect.

There's no way of knowing your exact scores for each section as the ADA does not release this, so you might have lost all of your points on angles for all you know.

I've never used any of your techniques, as I didn't know about them when I studied for the DAT. I've defended your website as it seems to be helping people, but giving misleading statements like this doesn't give you any points on a forum that you are trying to advertise to.

Im not trying to be mean or start a fight on this forum....I am just correcting and incorrect statement from an individual who stated it only works in "theory".

Yes I did not get a perfect score in the PAT, thus the reason for my 25 , but I am sure that I correctly answered each angle ranking question. I believe that the 3 that I did miss were in the keyhole (2) and pattern folding (1) sections. Obviously I do not know for certain because you cannot see the ones which are truly incorrect, but I am 99.9% sure if I could see the results this is what they would be. Throughout my prep for the PAT, after mastering my technique, I never got a angle ranking problem incorrect. I VERY MUCH appreciate you defense, thank you.

 

[condog51]

Ross,

You need to put up more videos on your site showing how to use it instead of just simply saying........"you are not doing it right". It is very difficult to use this technique as the first few posters were saying when angles are really small. Crack dat pat has different on screen rotations and those different rotations make it hard to tell which angle is bigger bc the reference is gone. It isnt really so obvious by just looking at the angles when they are 2-4 degrees apart.

"Hundreds of people". come on now. a few have said that it works, but lets not get carried away. the only way any of us can REALLY see if this technique works is to see you do this in person. unfortunately none of thus can do that. you need to help us see what you are getting at bc you make these seem black and white. those angles are very small in degree differences and they are rotated. that can screw up the mind.

lucky tangerines, a poster got a 30 on the PAT and said that they boxed the angles. what does that mean? he/she said it was easy to apply the hill method with this idea on the real exam. i find the hill method/laptop method very difficult to apply again bc of the different on screen rotations.

can someone elaborate on how the angles were presented in the exam? were they boxed? what made what methods easier/harder to apply, etc.?


I have seen many different technqiues and none of them address every angle situation.

I am planning on putting up more videos on the website to cover more PAT material, as well as a breakdown on my first year in dental school. Financing school, curriculum, what to expect, how to wax, ect... But these wont be up for a while. At the moment I am CRAZY busy! In fact I have a midterm tomorrow and should be studying..... The best advice I could give y'all right now applying is to enjoy your free time. I have had at least one exam every week for the past 4 weeks.... Dental school is the real deal.

 

[cadat]

haha ill bet ross. its scary unlike med schools where u get like 4 more years of residency, after dental school u should be ready to go out in the working world. i bet they are cramming info like crazy. pacific is 3 years. imagine how rigorous that is.

sidenote, ross. what sort of computer did u use for your angles when u did well. there is some talk on here that angles are distorted on laptops. not sure if this is true or not.

 

[condog51]

haha ill bet ross. its scary unlike med schools where u get like 4 more years of residency, after dental school u should be ready to go out in the working world. i bet they are cramming info like crazy. pacific is 3 years. imagine how rigorous that is.

sidenote, ross. what sort of computer did u use for your angles when u did well. there is some talk on here that angles are distorted on laptops. not sure if this is true or not.

I have a mac laptop. Never noticed a quality issue.

 

[katwoman1688]

What worked for me was after you do compare to find the largest and smallest...sometimes just look away from the screen entirely than look back and focus on the ones your comparing...after staring at it for too long all of them can look the same haha especially on the real DAT

 

[koolaidman]

Thanks for the replies, everyone. I am improving; I can get about 12-13 correct now. However, I find that I spend way too much time on this section. The Kaplan blue book suggests 5 minutes on angles, but I spend about 10 minutes.

 

[cadat]

what techniques have been working best for u