Peloton or Tonal

[BobBarker]

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I think there was a Peloton thread awhile back but can’t quite remember. Anyone have a peloton or Tonal and want to link up on there? I am gettting my peloton tomorrow. I have had a Tonal
since July and I love it.

 

[lobelsteve]

Matrix R50 with iFit.
And eventually my knee will let me back on my landice

 

[pmrmd]

Peloton treadmill here. It’s great too.

 

[RoloTomassi]

Matrix R50 with iFit.
And eventually my knee will let me back on my landice

I was just looking at treadmills and getting overwhelmed with info. You recommend Landice? Any others?

 

[MitchLevi]

Concept2

 

[drusso]

Peloton #SDN #PainBros #AynRandLives

 

[lobelsteve]

I was just looking at treadmills and getting overwhelmed with info. You recommend Landice? Any others?

I love my Landice. L8, older executive console. Similar to Sports console now.

 

[MitchLevi]

Anyone with a Concept2 rower?

Nothing worse than 1k sprint repeats.

 

[Analgesia108]

Is an Elliptical better than a Treadmill ?

 

[SSdoc33]

Peloton treadmill here. It’s great too.

in the summer? yes.

take advantage of those winters outside, though

 

[SSdoc33]

not to threadjack, but does anyone here do triathlons?

did my first one last week. trying to decide if i want to go full triathlon mode or not. it seems like a pretty big lifestyle choice

 

[DubVille]

Anyone with a Concept2 rower?

Nothing worse than 1k sprint repeats.

I have one. I think the 2k is even more miserable.

Love that machine.

 

[pmrmd]

in the summer? yes.

take advantage of those winters outside, though

8-9 months out of the year I do.

 

[pmrmd]

not to threadjack, but does anyone here do triathlons?

did my first one last week. trying to decide if i want to go full triathlon mode or not. it seems like a pretty big lifestyle choice

Triathlete? Didn't expect to read that at all. Impressive.

 

[SSdoc33]

Triathlete? Didn't expect to read that at all. Impressive.

gone on a diet recently.... this was me last year

 

[MitchLevi]

I have one. I think the 2k is even more miserable.

Love that machine.

I like a 2k as well, but I prefer the 1k bc that's short enough you can stay completely red lined without blowing up. The 2k is too far for that.

 

[DubVille]

I like a 2k as well, but I prefer the 1k bc that's short enough you can stay completely red lined without blowing up. The 2k is too far for that.

I've always been slightly biased towards endurance over strength. So to me the 2k is best blend. But the 1k is killer.

Sprinting on a rower imo is on a different level than almost any other form of exercise. Just uses everything you've got.

 

[MitchLevi]

I've always been slightly biased towards endurance over strength. So to me the 2k is best blend. But the 1k is killer.

Sprinting on a rower imo is on a different level than almost any other form of exercise. Just uses everything you've got.

Upper extremity activity is far harder on the cardiovascular system than lower body. You see it in amputees especially.

I've always found it crazy how hard rowing is on the legs.

 

[GlowInTheDark]

Get both. Peloton has rental program now.

 

[SSdoc33]

Upper extremity activity is far harder on the cardiovascular system than lower body. You see it in amputees especially.

I've always found it crazy how hard rowing is on the legs.

Interesting. not doubting you, but do you have any data on that? basically you are saying "swimming is harder than running". my guess is that UE muscles are really conditioned for strength, but our legs are used to walking/running distances

 

[MitchLevi]

Interesting. not doubting you, but do you have any data on that? basically you are saying "swimming is harder than running". my guess is that UE muscles are really conditioned for strength, but our legs are used to walking/running distances

Every PMR textbook.

Swimming isn't merely upper body bc the legs are involved quite a lot (if you're doing it right).

Lack of gravity also makes swimming a unique exercise form IMO. I don't think you can compare it to running or rowing.

There's a tremendous amount of resistance while rowing.

The amount of available muscle tissue in the arms is so much less than the pelvis and legs. Plus, you've got muscle tissue in the legs that is extremely energy efficient.

I really miss reading this stuff...

 

[SSdoc33]

Every PMR textbook.

Swimming isn't merely upper body bc the legs are involved quite a lot (if you're doing it right).

Lack of gravity also makes swimming a unique exercise form IMO. I don't think you can compare it to running or rowing.

There's a tremendous amount of resistance while rowing.

The amount of available muscle tissue in the arms is so much less than the pelvis and legs. Plus, you've got muscle tissue in the legs that is extremely energy efficient.

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thanks for the reference. ex phys is interesting. most of the triathletes like to geek out to all their data. they all wear HR monitors and have mini computers on their bikes to measure work output/watts/HR, etc.

FWIW, you only use your legs to basically stabilize you when you swim, unless you are sprinting. it is almost all arms and core.

 

[MitchLevi]

thanks for the reference. ex phys is interesting. most of the triathletes like to geek out to all their data. they all wear HR monitors and have mini computers on their bikes to measure work output/watts/HR, etc.

FWIW, you only use your legs to basically stabilize you when you swim, unless you are sprinting. it is almost all arms and core.

I've had swims where I get out of the water and my legs are rubber, but I'm not insinuating it does to the legs what sled drags or rowing does.

The resistance of rowing is a lot worse than swimming, of course you can adjust that. If you're looking for the best resistance for a PR in let's say a 1 or 2k row, that resistance for most adult males is a lot. There's a sweet spot between resistance, pace, efficiency, etc...But it's a lot.

You're rapidly going to reach your anaerobic threshold, and (in my experience) it takes you far deeper into a deficit than swimming or running. Far deeper.

If you're now doing triathlons, you should really consider buying a Concept2.

 

[SSdoc33]

I've had swims where I get out of the water and my legs are rubber, but I'm not insinuating it does to the legs what sled drags or rowing does.

The resistance of rowing is a lot worse than swimming, of course you can adjust that. If you're looking for the best resistance for a PR in let's say a 1 or 2k row, that resistance for most adult males is a lot. There's a sweet spot between resistance, pace, efficiency, etc...But it's a lot.

You're rapidly going to reach your anaerobic threshold, and (in my experience) it takes you far deeper into a deficit than swimming or running. Far deeper.

If you're now doing triathlons, you should really consider buying a Concept2.

i enjoy understanding the physiology, but the data take the joy out of the activity for me. it seems like most people use these devices for motivation. ive never really needed that. i know when ive had a hard workout, and i know my pace and HR pretty accurately. when i go out for a 10 mile run, i typically can pin the time within a minute.

as far as rowing/erg is concerned, i agree that it is a "harder" workout. it'd be akin to running with a weight vest or swimming in maple syrup. but as you state, that also depends on your pace and resistance. i'd like to hear from someone who does a lot of both running and rowing what their impression is. most people don't row for 2 hours, but many run for 2 hrs....

 

[MitchLevi]

i enjoy understanding the physiology, but the data take the joy out of the activity for me. it seems like most people use these devices for motivation. ive never really needed that. i know when ive had a hard workout, and i know my pace and HR pretty accurately. when i go out for a 10 mile run, i typically can pin the time within a minute.

as far as rowing/erg is concerned, i agree that it is a "harder" workout. it'd be akin to running with a weight vest or swimming in maple syrup. but as you state, that also depends on your pace and resistance. i'd like to hear from someone who does a lot of both running and rowing what their impression is. most people don't row for 2 hours, but many run for 2 hrs....

I do both.

Rowing is harder for me, but I've run competitively since 6th grade.

Rowing is much more physical in the short term, as it takes you to threshold quickly, and no amount of proper technique changes that.

Long runs are very physical of course, pounding your hips and knees. You don't brutalize your body with a rower, but you CAN get hurt on one. The low back especially.

Your running technique and the way your parents assembled your body matters with regard to cardiac strain while running. Tweeking your running form makes a big difference, same with swimming. The better your form the better you swim.

Even perfect rowing form hurts. It just sucks. There's simply nothing you can do about it.

Screw "the data," which do nothing tangible in terms of guiding your training. There is nothing more beneficial than listening to your body and crushing it when it needs to be crushed, and going easy when you need to go easy.

I have a Whoop strap and spent some time obsessing over it but it never changed anything. My son uses it now during cross country. I like the HR graph bc it's fun to see, but make no mistake it changes nothing. The sleep fxn on Whoop is BS.

There's probably something to watching your HRV and using that as a data point which can change based off any number of things.

No matter how smart you think you are, you can't outsmart human physiology number one, and even if you could it doesn't matter bc your genetics play a huge role in elevating or lowering your ceiling.

Edit - Please don't run with a weight vest. There are few worse things for your back and pelvis. Just don't do it.

 

[SSdoc33]

I do both.

Rowing is harder for me, but I've run competitively since 6th grade.

Rowing is much more physical in the short term, as it takes you to threshold quickly, and no amount of proper technique changes that.

Long runs are very physical of course, pounding your hips and knees. You don't brutalize your body with a rower, but you CAN get hurt on one. The low back especially.

Your running technique and the way your parents assembled your body matters with regard to cardiac strain while running. Tweeking your running form makes a big difference, same with swimming. The better your form the better you swim.

Even perfect rowing form hurts. It just sucks. There's simply nothing you can do about it.

Screw "the data," which do nothing tangible in terms of guiding your training. There is nothing more beneficial than listening to your body and crushing it when it needs to be crushed, and going easy when you need to go easy.

I have a Whoop strap and spent some time obsessing over it but it never changed anything. My son uses it now during cross country. I like the HR graph bc it's fun to see, but make no mistake it changes nothing. The sleep fxn on Whoop is BS.

There's probably something to watching your HRV and using that as a data point which can change based off any number of things.

No matter how smart you think you are, you can't outsmart human physiology number one, and even if you could it doesn't matter bc your genetics play a huge role in elevating or lowering your ceiling.

Edit - Please don't run with a weight vest. There are few worse things for your back and pelvis. Just don't do it.

i would think that swimming in syrup would be worse, but to each his own.

we'll race a 10K at the next SIS meeting. loser buys drinks

 

[jwalker12]

Zone 2 Heart Rate Training For Longevity and Performance

Whether you are optimizing your exercise regimen for performance or you want to live a longer healthy life, the concept of zone 2 heart rate training deserves your attention. There is a lot of…

www.howardluksmd.com

What is everyones thoughts on this?

 

[GoBeers]

not to threadjack, but does anyone here do triathlons?

did my first one last week. trying to decide if i want to go full triathlon mode or not. it seems like a pretty big lifestyle choice

I run marathons regularly. Doing my first century ride in november and thinking about half ironman oceanside next April and arizona ironman next fall.

Im no athlete or endurance junkie.
I just like pain so I can talk about it with my patients

 

[lobelsteve]

Zone 2 Heart Rate Training For Longevity and Performance

Whether you are optimizing your exercise regimen for performance or you want to live a longer healthy life, the concept of zone 2 heart rate training deserves your attention. There is a lot of…

www.howardluksmd.com

What is everyones thoughts on this?

Orange Theory has Zone 4 covered. Blue Theory, meh.

 

[SSdoc33]

I run marathons regularly. Doing my first century ride in november and thinking about half ironman oceanside next April and arizona ironman next fall.

Im no athlete or endurance junkie.
I just like pain so I can talk about it with my patients

it sounds like you are an endurance junkie.

if i spend a good chunk of change on any piece of equipment, it'll be a decent racing bike. not some indoor nonsense

good luck