Peri-interview tipping

[Kardio]

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This process hasn’t been treating my wallet very nicely, but for some reason I’ve been compelled to tip a little excessively recently. Things like Uber, Food Delivery and Services are all getting a little extra love from me. I think I’ve got a subconscious “pay it forward” feeling going on right now.

Anyone else notice themselves become more generous tippers shortly before and after their interviews?

 

[907914]

This process hasn’t been treating my wallet very nicely, but for some reason I’ve been compelled to tip a little excessively recently. Things like Uber, Food Delivery and Services are all getting a little extra love from me. I think I’ve got a subconscious “pay it forward” feeling going on right now.

Anyone else notice themselves become more generous tippers shortly before and after their interviews?

Not at all. If I am in a state where tips are counted as wages, I click the 20% button. If I am in a state where tips are counted separately from wages then I don’t tip. US tipping culture is archaic, has roots in racist practices of the post-civil war era, and there is really no purpose in ‘paying it forward.’ It is merely flaunting your wealth and/or pitying ‘the help.’

 

[Kardio]

Not at all. If I am in a state where tips are counted as wages, I click the 20% button. If I am in a state where tips are counted separately from wages then I don’t tip. US tipping culture is archaic, has roots in racist practices of the post-civil war era, and there is really no purpose in ‘paying it forward.’ It is merely flaunting your wealth and/or pitying ‘the help.’

 

[907914]

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Total dank memeage! I laughed out loud. You have the memelord’s meme blessing.

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[deleted480308]

Not at all. If I am in a state where tips are counted as wages, I click the 20% button. If I am in a state where tips are counted separately from wages then I don’t tip. US tipping culture is archaic, has roots in racist practices of the post-civil war era, and there is really no purpose in ‘paying it forward.’ It is merely flaunting your wealth and/or pitying ‘the help.’

Or you are being cheap. In some situations, tipping is still appropriate even if the employee makes at least minimum wage otherwise

 

[beattheprocess]

Total dank memeage! I laughed out loud. You have the memelord’s meme blessing.

However, if you want some learnin’:

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Jesus Christ dude. Of all the things to get sanctimonious over? Tipping?

For what it’s worth almost everything you own probably has some part of it produced unethically. I doubt you’re going try to get a refund on all those things.

 

[u_raptor]

Not at all. If I am in a state where tips are counted as wages, I click the 20% button. If I am in a state where tips are counted separately from wages then I don’t tip. US tipping culture is archaic, has roots in racist practices of the post-civil war era, and there is really no purpose in ‘paying it forward.’ It is merely flaunting your wealth and/or pitying ‘the help.’

 

[Engrailed]

I have friends and family that work/ed in the service industry and tipping is important (in america). Ive also waited tables at restaurants and it makes such a big difference. Tipping is the right thing to do.

Service industries are difficult and demanding jobs. The employees make min wage and (altho illegal, some establishments pay only $3-4/hr, with the expectation that the employee/bartender/waiter etc covers the rest in tips). So if you’re not giving tips where due, how do you expect your server to buy food, make rent?

 

[u_raptor]

I have friends and family that work/ed in the service industry and tipping is important (in america). Ive also waited tables at restaurants and it makes such a big difference. Tipping is the right thing to do.

I also vote tipping. You can make a nice buck off them. Heck when I worked at my dad's restaurant in to-go I'd make gas in tips on a Sunday even. Tips are great, and just the right thing to do.

 

[Engrailed]

I also vote tipping. You can make a nice buck off tips. Heck when I worked at my dad's restaurant in to-go I'd make gas in tips on a Sunday even. Tips are great, and just the right thing to do.

Totes ma gotes.

I worked in a huge venue that served business clientele and European tourists who often left nothing (as Europe doesnt have tipping like we do). Whatever was made that day was always split bw front and back of house staff and the earnings diminished quickly. There’s a whole process behind the scenes from the barbacks, cooks, managers etc that most patrons dont see or recognize

 

[deleted987519]

I tipped the uber driver pretty handsomely for hyping me up en route to the interview

 

[907914]

Or you are being cheap

This plays a roll, yes. It is an employers job to pay their employees not the customer.

I doubt you’re going try to get a refund on all those things.

Nah, it isn’t about the ethicality of tipping or where things are made blah blah, it is about the fact that it isn’t the job of the customers to pay wages and American tipping is an extraordinarily archaic system.

altho illegal, some establishments pay only $3-4/hr, with the expectation that the employee/bartender/waiter etc covers the rest in tips

It is actually not illegal in most of the US

In the green states, it is illegal and employees are paid minimum wage or higher plus tips, in the red states, states have an internal wage set above the federal minimum (typically around $3-$4) plus tips. In the black states (which predominantly correlate with the former slave south, that is not an accident) are allowed to pay as low as the federal minimum of $2.13 if a employee gets tips.



I grew up in one of those green states. In WA the minimum wage is $12/hr and is going up to $15 over the next 5 years. And tips are counted separately, so I don’t tip here because they are literally being paid to do their job. If I am in a red or black state, I do tip because that is legally the expectation of me just so hat employee can get a wage.
Isn’t that archaic? Businesses are literally allowed to pay less because it is expected that customers provide the wage. At that, wages are inconsistent and dependent upon the “generosity” of the tipper. White people are tipped more than black, attractive people are tipped more than unattractive, men are tipped more than women on large bills, women are tipped more on small bills etc. Shouldn’t A) an employer be responsible for their employees wages and B) wages be consistent for all employees performing the same task?

You can make a nice buck off them

You very much can, but what other realms do we expect to make more just for doing our job the way we are supposed to? Do you tip your phlebotomists when they give you service with a smile? Or do you tip the cook specifically at a restaurant, they are the one who actually made your food? Do you tip your mechanic for being extra quick with that oil change? Why not apply tipping to every business and all service related employees?

European tourists who often left nothing (

That is because almost every other country expects that an employer is paying fair wages and that there is no expectation that you do tip.

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If you look at the customs and standards of most of the world, many places find it flat out insulting to flaunt your wealth, more still will take your money but it is not expected, and very few expect a tip built into the system. Only America has it as high as 15-20%.

Our system is weird and I refuse to be an active participant in it. I partake when I am in a state that basically requires it, but I also advocate for and donate my time to organizations that are pro-minimum wage laws (as in, getting rid of the allowability of paying less, and in fact encourage paying more). The working poor exist specifically because of laws such as this. Passively accepting tipping culture is you paying directly into and supporting a system designed to oppress and limit upward mobility.

tipped the uber driver pretty handsomely for hyping me up en route to the interview

I would say you were paying him for the service of hype.

 

[907914]

I haven’t seen this movie, but is that guy supposed to be wrong or an dingus? Because I agree with everything he just said except the “I expect my cup to be refilled 6 times”.

 

[u_raptor]

I haven’t seen this movie, but is that guy supposed to be wrong or an dingus? Because I agree with everything he just said except the “I expect my cup to be refilled 6 times”.

He's supposed to be the "logical"/realistic one, but also a bit of a dingus yes. In the end he was right though (about something else)

 

[deleted480308]

This plays a roll, yes. It is an employers job to pay their employees not the customer.

Nah, it isn’t about the ethicality of tipping or where things are made blah blah, it is about the fact that it isn’t the job of the customers to pay wages and American tipping is an extraordinarily archaic system.

It is actually not illegal in most of the US

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In the green states, it is illegal and employees are paid minimum wage or higher plus tips, in the red states, states have an internal wage set above the federal minimum (typically around $3-$4) plus tips. In the black states (which predominantly correlate with the former slave south, that is not an accident) are allowed to pay as low as the federal minimum of $2.13 if a employee gets tips.



I grew up in one of those green states. In WA the minimum wage is $12/hr and is going up to $15 over the next 5 years. And tips are counted separately, so I don’t tip here because they are literally being paid to do their job. If I am in a red or black state, I do tip because that is legally the expectation of me just so hat employee can get a wage.
Isn’t that archaic? Businesses are literally allowed to pay less because it is expected that customers provide the wage. At that, wages are inconsistent and dependent upon the “generosity” of the tipper. White people are tipped more than black, attractive people are tipped more than unattractive, men are tipped more than women on large bills, women are tipped more on small bills etc. Shouldn’t A) an employer be responsible for their employees wages and B) wages be consistent for all employees performing the same task?

You very much can, but what other realms do we expect to make more just for doing our job the way we are supposed to? Do you tip your phlebotomists when they give you service with a smile? Or do you tip the cook specifically at a restaurant, they are the one who actually made your food? Do you tip your mechanic for being extra quick with that oil change? Why not apply tipping to every business and all service related employees?

That is because almost every other country expects that an employer is paying fair wages and that there is no expectation that you do tip.

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If you look at the customs and standards of most of the world, many places find it flat out insulting to flaunt your wealth, more still will take your money but it is not expected, and very few expect a tip built into the system. Only America has it as high as 15-20%.

Our system is weird and I refuse to be an active participant in it. I partake when I am in a state that basically requires it, but I also advocate for and donate my time to organizations that are pro-minimum wage laws (as in, getting rid of the allowability of paying less, and in fact encourage paying more). The working poor exist specifically because of laws such as this. Passively accepting tipping culture is you paying directly into and supporting a system designed to oppress and limit upward mobility.

I would say you were paying him for the service of hype.

Your explanation of minimum wage in tipping states might be incomplete. I believe Tips are supposed to be declared and an employee is supposed to be paid up to normal minimum wage if their tips don’t add up

 

[907914]

believe Tips are supposed to be declared and an employee is supposed to be paid up to normal minimum wage if their tips don’t add up

This is correct. So if there is an expectation that employees be paid minimum wage if they don’t get enough tips, why not just stop tipping and let the business pay minimum wage? “But minimum wage is so low” yah, it is. Advocate for higher minimum wages or essentials price-controlling. If WA, NYC, LA, Sandpoint, ID and Chicago can do it, then I feel like most other places can as well.

 

[deleted480308]

This is correct. So if there is an expectation that employees be paid minimum wage if they don’t get enough tips, why not just stop tipping and let the business pay minimum wage? “But minimum wage is so low” yah, it is. Advocate for higher minimum wages or essentials price-controlling. If WA, NYC, LA, Sandpoint, ID and Chicago can do it, then I feel like most other places can as well.

But you are practicing “f—- that low skilled employee doing me a service that is expecting payment from me” while preaching “i care about this employee so much that i demand they get higher wages”

It’s a scam you are pulling. Stop patting yourself on the back and pull their higher wages out of your pocket

 

[Engrailed]

For those who feel strongly against the idea of tipping for moral reasons or otherwise or for principle of the matter etc... Perhaps you should try telling your list of reasons directly to the server before ordering your food and let them know your stance.

Regardless of whatever systemic problems are leading to conditions that are involved in the tipping industry, there is nothing wrong about giving tips when the very people providing your services need that income to survive.
Public policies will not be changed in a day but servers do need that to pay for the day’s rent/basic needs.

Peace out/

 

[907914]

But you are practicing “f—- that low skilled employee doing me a service that is expecting payment from me” while preaching “i care about this employee so much that i demand they get higher wages”

It’s a scam you are pulling. Stop patting yourself on the back and pull their higher wages out of your pocket

As I stated, if I am in a state that tipping is counted as wages then I do tip. One can participate in the system while advocating for change. But while in a place where change has already occurred (ie. Those green states) then I am good.

 

[907914]

Regardless of whatever systemic problems are leading to conditions that are involved in the tipping industry, there is nothing wrong about giving tips when the very people providing your services need that income to survive.
Public policies will not be changed in a day but servers do need that to pay for the day’s rent/basic needs.

Agreed, hence the whole “tip where the server isn’t getting paid” shebang...

 

[Lawpy]

Good to see preallo having an energized debate over tipping and its social expectations

 

[deleted480308]

As I stated, if I am in a state that tipping is counted as wages then I do tip. One can participate in the system while advocating for change. But while in a place where change has already occurred (ie. Those green states) then I am good.

So in states that have normal minimum wage for waitresses you’ll eat a $100 meal and not tip a good waitress because he/she is making at least ~$8/hr?

 

[907914]

So in states that have normal minimum wage for waitresses you’ll eat a $100 meal and not tip a good waitress because he/she is making at least ~$8/hr?

Correct, although at least in my state it is closer to $12/hr. Why does how much I choose to spend on my food yield different expectations of payment for the waiter/waitress? I am all fine with restaurants having “gratuity fee” for large parties or during rush hour, or mildly raising their prices to cover increased wages, but the principle boils down to the fact that an equitable system should have an employer paying their employees equally for equal work.

 

[deleted480308]

Correct, although at least in my state it is closer to $12/hr. Why does how much I choose to spend on my food yield different expectations of payment for the waiter/waitress? I am all fine with restaurants having “gratuity fee” for large parties or during rush hour, or mildly raising their prices to cover increased wages, but the principle boils down to the fact that an equitable system should have an employer paying their employees equally for equal work.

You don’t have any awareness of the work a waitstaff does if you think they all work equally.

Even within a restaurant there can be large variation in waitstaff quality, and if a meal is worth $100 you should absolutely be expecting to get (and pay for) better service than you get at applesbees

We’re just going to disagree on this but I think this is more you being cheap and devaluing service staff than having uniquely morally superior economic understanding

 

[imbesrs]

Tips are declared, however, usually understated because cash tips are not tracked- usually tips on cards only. Source: worked in a restaurant for 2 years. Where I worked, as we made more tips, the hourly the restaurant had to pay goes down.

American system sucks- it should be that they are paid a livable wage by staff and a couple bucks extra on a meal is a thank you. Servers are worked incredibly hard but they do make a **** ton of money 20-40 an hour depending on the restaurant/avg price of food/etc. However, I do believe tipping appropriately, 15%+, is the ethical choice knowing their income isnt funded by the restaurant.

One should not consider going to a restaurant without being able to pay all parts of the bill-- including tipping.

 

[Dr. Anonymouss]

What I don't like is that it seems like EVERYTHING is becoming tip oriented. It takes stress away from the employer and puts it on the customer. When I go to work in my emergency department I perform a service as does everyone else who has a job. As memelord stated, and I am paraphrasing, At what point does my service become tip worthy and what makes the service that I provide any different than the services that others provide that do receive tips. Tips should mean something, they shouldn't be REQUIRED!

 

[907914]

You don’t have any awareness of the work a waitstaff does if you think they all work equally.

Even within a restaurant there can be large variation in waitstaff quality

Are you saying there aren’t different qualities of employee and different work ethics across the economy? Should I expect better service at an academic medical center versus at a private practice? Should a first class customer tip their flight attendant even though they actually did pay more for their ticket? Again, you are applying some kind of high standard and difficulty of work to wait staff/taxi driving/tipped employees when compared to other facets of the economy. Yet we don’t tip our nurses (another difficult service related job) our bus drivers (does a more difficult job than taxi drivers - they have to deal with larger volumes of people and stricter timelines, with little variability in route options) and so on.

devaluing service staff

I totally value what service workers do, but they are paid (or should be paid) a wage to do their job like anyone else.

However, I do believe tipping appropriately, 15%+, is the ethical choice knowing their income isnt funded by the restaurant

I 100% agree, if the employee is not funded by the restaurant then it is an unethical decision not to tip.

 

[deleted480308]

Are you saying there aren’t different qualities of employee and different work ethics across the economy? Should I expect better service at an academic medical center versus at a private practice? Should a first class customer tip their flight attendant even though they actually did pay more for their ticket? Again, you are applying some kind of high standard and difficulty of work to wait staff/taxi driving/tipped employees when compared to other facets of the economy. Yet we don’t tip our nurses (another difficult service related job) our bus drivers (does a more difficult job than taxi drivers - they have to deal with larger volumes of people and stricter timelines, with little variability in route options) and so on.

I totally value what service workers do, but they are paid (or should be paid) a wage to do their job like anyone else.

I 100% agree, if the employee is not funded by the restaurant then it is an unethical decision not to tip.

We must not have met if you think I believe all workers are equal across their industry

I generally dislike company wide seniority payscales because I think it disincentivizes effort

 

[proudofmykids]

Not at all. If I am in a state where tips are counted as wages, I click the 20% button. If I am in a state where tips are counted separately from wages then I don’t tip. US tipping culture is archaic, has roots in racist practices of the post-civil war era, and there is really no purpose in ‘paying it forward.’ It is merely flaunting your wealth and/or pitying ‘the help.’

Not denying any of your historic reference...
But do you realize that many states pay a sub minimum wage rate of their employees regularly receive tips? So they are separate, yet any guaranteed wages is meager at best. So your practice might not reflect this norm.

 

[907914]

Not denying any of your historic reference...
But do you realize that many states pay a sub minimum wage rate of their employees regularly receive tips? So they are separate, yet any guaranteed wages is meager at best. So your practice might not reflect this norm.

You may have responded too early without reading the rest of the thread, because all of this is already addressed (I even put maps and charts...)

 

[proudofmykids]

You may have responded too early without reading the rest of the thread, because all of this is already addressed (I even put maps and charts...)

My bad, apologies.

 

[beattheprocess]

If I am in a red or black state, I do tip because that is legally the expectation of me just so hat employee can get a wage.

You actually look up which state has whatever policy regarding tipping when eating out in that state? Either that or you committed that graph to memory. Both are equally ridiculous.

The working poor exist specifically because of laws such as this. Passively accepting tipping culture is you paying directly into and supporting a system designed to oppress and limit upward mobility.

There will always be poor people.

 

[907914]

Either that or you committed that graph to memory.

having grown up in the green region, I just recognize that it is the west coast states, Montana an Minnesota. Easy peasy. Do you think it is ridiculous to be like most Americans who have every city’s sports teams memorized or to know each states fiscal policies? I would prefer the latter, but unfortunately the former is true.

There will always be poor people.

There will always be poor people = nothing can change and we should actively support systemic oppression of poor people? Weird flex, but ok.

 

[beattheprocess]

having grown up in the green region, I just recognize that it is the west coast states, Montana an Minnesota. Easy peasy. Do you think it is ridiculous to be like most Americans who have every city’s sports teams memorized or to know each states fiscal policies? I would prefer the latter, but unfortunately the former is true.

There will always be poor people = nothing can change and we should actively support systemic oppression of poor people? Weird flex, but ok.

My god. I’m having intro sociology flashbacks.

Liking sports and knowing about obscure tipping laws aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s kinda prejudiced to think that they are.

Systemic oppression? Give me a break. There’s so many programs designed to help poor people.

 

[907914]

My god. I’m having intro sociology flashbacks.

Liking sports and knowing about obscure tipping laws aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s kinda prejudiced to think that they are.

Systemic oppression? Give me a break. There’s so many programs designed to help poor people.

They are not mutually exclusive, correct. But you seem to imply it is ridiculous to know something I am passionate about. And there are programs, but they are wholly inadequate. Sociology classes exist for a reason.

 

[Kardio]

I appreciate the mental gymnastics going on here, but I was hoping for a thread about generosity and self awareness. I don’t see us headed back in that direction.