When the off-duty police officer at the gun store was asked about the events surrounding shooting the robber, he said he did not see what happened because he dove behind a counter. He said he was well aware that over 6 people in the store had concealed carry weopons and he did not want to be hit in the cross fire.
On the more serious side--and maybe it's my own selective hearing up here in the northern heartlands--but it seems to me for every such "heroic tale", there must be at least 5-10 examples of "I guess he shot himself with the handgun that Dad kept 'for protection'" or "8 year old kills playmate: parents thought gun was "safely hidden".
A spoon's purpose is that of increasing food intake. Why one would be welcome in your home is beyond me.
It's frustrating to listen to some of this. Everyone here knows basic biostats right?
Let's stick with science and not philosophical exercises.
If you took obese kids and stratified or otherwise controlled for the usual variables (race, SES, etc), and then looked at 'utensil type', you probably wouldn't find a meaningful association. Your spoon vs. fork vs. spork table would be fairly uninteresting if you accounted for confounders.
Now, look at gun ownership. Honestly, have a look at those papers that were posted. You will find that the researchers accounted for a lot of things, including age, substance/ETOH abuse, and neighborhood (controls were taken from the nearby area in the first NEJM article).
If you think there's a reasonable variable that would account for the incredible rise in risk seen in gun owning homes, then that would be a productive debate.
Having said that, you'd have to come up with a phenomenal confounder to explain away the OR/RR in these studies (CI no lower than 1.6!!). If you look at high quality journals (JAMA, NEJM, etc) you'll find the evidence is pretty convincing. A pubmed search of "spoon versus fork" and "obesity"? Probably not as well supported
It's frustrating to listen to some of this. Everyone here knows basic biostats right?
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Having said that, you'd have to come up with a phenomenal confounder to explain away the OR/RR in these studies (CI no lower than 1.6!!). If you look at high quality journals (JAMA, NEJM, etc) you'll find the evidence is pretty convincing that guns in the house are hazardous to you and your family. A pubmed search of "spoon versus fork" and "obesity"? Probably not as well supported
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I remember reading on here some time back about a psychiatrist who got cut up by an axe from a former patient and one other story of one getting shot I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. Both were outliers and freak cases, unlikely to be statistically significant.
I like guns though.
I like to think it makes things safer here.
I was recently purchasing a shirt in a mall. When I went to hand my credit card to the cashier, my concealed carry license fell out. The cashier picks up on this and tells me that he carries a .45.
The guy behind me in line piped up that he currently had his 9mm with him.
The guy behind him agreed that he loved his 9mm carry gun.
Only in TX would all 4 random people near the cash register be carrying.
On the more serious side--and maybe it's my own selective hearing up here in the northern heartlands--but it seems to me for every such "heroic tale", there must be at least 5-10 examples of "I guess he shot himself with the handgun that Dad kept 'for protection'" or "8 year old kills playmate: parents thought gun was "safely hidden".
nlax30 said:
But that's what I was planning to do.
