Petition the ABA to Change MOCA

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As a Board Certified Anesthesiologist with Lifetime certification the chances of my voluntarily doing the ABA MOCA if it involves an Oral exam is slim. I voluntarily recertified once and will do so again in 1-2 years but after that I'm out of MOCA by the ABA. Looks like the NBPAS will be getting another member.
 
As a Board Certified Anesthesiologist with Lifetime certification the chances of my voluntarily doing the ABA MOCA if it involves an Oral exam is slim. I voluntarily recertified once and will do so again in 1-2 years but after that I'm out of MOCA by the ABA. Looks like the NBPAS will be getting another member.
For the record, I am pretty sure that was an April Fool's joke based on the way that post was written. The post contains the phrase April Fools hidden inside. Well, not that hidden.
 
The youtube video from the NBPAS is quite compelling. I hope they do very well and gain acceptance. We should all support them. I believe that this has become a big issue for some of the state component societies. I don't think we have seen the last of the pressure on the ABA/ABMS. I expect it to ramp up considerably over the next year.
 
I received my NBPAS diploma a couple days ago. Sorry, ABA, but you'll have to extort someone else from here on out.
 
I received my NBPAS diploma a couple days ago. Sorry, ABA, but you'll have to extort someone else from here on out.


What's the cost for the NBPAS? Are you lifetime certified by the ABA? What will you do if the hospital rejects your NBPAS and/or you need to find a new job? That's a big gamble for anyone with a time limited certificate under the age of 60.
 
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I get a lot of the AAPS literature because someone put me on their mailing list years ago. I agree with a lot of what they do and the organizations that they challenge. There are a few things, however, that makes me think they have gone off the reservation. Those things can be pretty troubling, like anti vaccine type of stuff. They might be a pretty decent alternative to the AMA, but they are considered a bit rogue currently. I wish they weren't, because they could actually do a lot of good if they would tone down a few of their more radical stances. They tend to attract a very angry group of doctors who are very anti establishment and who color outside the lines to some degree.
 
What's the cost for the NBPAS? Are you lifetime certified by the ABA? What will you do if the hospital rejects your NBPAS and/or you need to find a new job? That's a big gamble for anyone with a time limited certificate under the age of 60.

NBPAS currently is $169 for 2 years. I am ABA certified through 2022. I joined 1) to support them financially and 2) because I believe in them.

I am working hard on our local hospitals to recognize this. As more and more become aware of the ABIM's financial malfeasance and the complete lack of evidence for MOC, more hospitals will get on board with this. I am not planning on changing practices, so there's that.

The only way that NBPAS will succeed is if it is widely supported by physicians. I think $169 every 2 years is a very small price to pay ($845 for 10 years), when the total cost of MOCA per cycle is around 8-9K (once you include all the travel and opportunity costs).

Regardless, I am confident we can convince our hospitals to recognize NBPAS, and I am confident that I am never paying another dime to the ABA.
 
NBPAS currently is $169 for 2 years. I am ABA certified through 2022. I joined 1) to support them financially and 2) because I believe in them.

I am working hard on our local hospitals to recognize this. As more and more become aware of the ABIM's financial malfeasance and the complete lack of evidence for MOC, more hospitals will get on board with this. I am not planning on changing practices, so there's that.

The only way that NBPAS will succeed is if it is widely supported by physicians. I think $169 every 2 years is a very small price to pay ($845 for 10 years), when the total cost of MOCA per cycle is around 8-9K (once you include all the travel and opportunity costs).

Regardless, I am confident we can convince our hospitals to recognize NBPAS, and I am confident that I am never paying another dime to the ABA.
I am registering now. I will be submitting this to our MEC.
 
I get a lot of the AAPS literature because someone put me on their mailing list years ago. I agree with a lot of what they do and the organizations that they challenge. There are a few things, however, that makes me think they have gone off the reservation. Those things can be pretty troubling, like anti vaccine type of stuff. They might be a pretty decent alternative to the AMA, but they are considered a bit rogue currently. I wish they weren't, because they could actually do a lot of good if they would tone down a few of their more radical stances. They tend to attract a very angry group of doctors who are very anti establishment and who color outside the lines to some degree.

Eh, there are a few loose cannons there, but I'm still a member. The good they do really outweighs the bad, IMHO - and the anti-MOC movement owes a lot to AAPS' lawsuit against it. Most of what AAPS does outside of MOC seems to be fighting for individual practice, which strikes me as a bit Don Quixote but isn't harmful.

Of the AAPS members I know, I'd only describe one as an angry guy. The others just joined because they're concerned about MOC or the relentless expansion of bureaucracy and paperwork.
 
It's risky not to pay the ABA for the 10 year recertification but at 20 years it would be easy to switch to NBPAS. The ABA threat of destroying your career if you don't pay them becomes weaker as you approach retirement. Hopefully enough people in their late 50s, early 60s will forgo ABA recertification to make them pay for their greed and to either make the ABA MOCA less terrible or the NBPAS a viable alternative.
 
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I received my NBPAS diploma a couple days ago. Sorry, ABA, but you'll have to extort someone else from here on out.

How long did it take for you nbpas certificate to arrive? I sent my application a few weeks ago and haven't recieved any word except the original thank you for payment email.

I know they say 6 weeks, but I'm hoping that it's sooner.
 
I did it the day they offered anesthesiology- I forget when that was. But they've hired staff to go through the thousands (!) of applications they've gotten, so they'll get there. They've said that if you need it quicker for a pressing reason, contact them and they'll help you out.

This effort is difficult. It requires going through an MEC, convincing them, taking to colleagues in anesthesia and other fields, etc.

If you're as sickened by MOC extortion as I am, you'll think these efforts are a small price to pay.
 
It's risky not to pay the ABA for the 10 year recertification but at 20 years it would be easy to switch to NBPAS. The ABA threat of destroying your career if you don't pay them becomes weaker as you approach retirement. Hopefully enough people in their late 50s, early 60s will forgo ABA recertification to make them pay for their greed and to either make the ABA MOCA less terrible or the NBPAS a viable alternative.
Therein lies the problem. The majority of those in that age group have time unlimited certificates. If they recertify or enroll in MOCA, it is either voluntary or they are being forced there at the local level (hospital requirement). The true test will be if the ones who graduated 1999 or later decide to forgo MOCA participation. That is, currently, probably risky. There needs to be a critical mass, but, unless it is organized, there could be a few left out in the cold who make the stand while others back down. My hope is that we will see some large organizations begin to accept NBPAS recertification which would lead to widespread acceptance among smaller hospitals. Once that first large organization makes their move, that is when the dominoes will begin to fall for the ABMS. The ABA/ABMS runs the risk of another bad historical decision here by being greedy and unyielding.
Physicians can only tolerate so many hands in their pockets in this huge money grab that we have seen in the last 15-20 years. I am happy to see some people organizing and presenting options and also calling out corrupt practices.
 
Therein lies the problem. The majority of those in that age group have time unlimited certificates. If they recertify or enroll in MOCA, it is either voluntary or they are being forced there at the local level (hospital requirement). The true test will be if the ones who graduated 1999 or later decide to forgo MOCA participation. That is, currently, probably risky. There needs to be a critical mass, but, unless it is organized, there could be a few left out in the cold who make the stand while others back down. My hope is that we will see some large organizations begin to accept NBPAS recertification which would lead to widespread acceptance among smaller hospitals. Once that first large organization makes their move, that is when the dominoes will begin to fall for the ABMS. The ABA/ABMS runs the risk of another bad historical decision here by being greedy and unyielding.
Physicians can only tolerate so many hands in their pockets in this huge money grab that we have seen in the last 15-20 years. I am happy to see some people organizing and presenting options and also calling out corrupt practices.

This is definitely a concern. It's why people who are like me- who have stable jobs, plan on being in one place long-term, and importantly have plenty of time left on their current MOCA cycle- are ideal to be vocal in this effort. People in academics will have a difficult time, since many/most academic departments will frown on this effort, especially those that run sim labs. We in stable private practices, who have no skin in the MOCA game and who it negatively affects the most, have to spearhead this.

The way I see it, the ABA can't hurt me. My cert runs out in 2022. I do not care one iota about the ABA website saying I'm "not meeting MOCA requirements," and it won't be for a couple more years that even that happens.

I have 7 years to convince my hospitals to change this. I'll get it done well before that.

Here's the other thing- all you have to do to reinstate yourself to the ABA's good graces is complete the requirements and pay them a bunch of money (surprise!). http://www.theaba.org/MOCA/FAQs . So it isn't like you have to go back and repeat residency or anything.

This will take a few motivated people to put themselves out there and be vocal for change. That isn't easy. But I'm in a spot where I don't fear the ramifications of doing so, so I'm getting involved. The ABA and the ABMS boards are counting on us to continue to be good sheep, herded into their extortion schemes and paying a bunch of money for no benefit. They know that they've gotten away with increasing requirements and costs up to this point, and we've all just shrugged our shoulders and taken it.

Until now.

http://nbpas.org

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There's a follow up to the first Newsweek article:
http://www.newsweek.com/certified-medical-controversy-320495

It looks like MOCA is more about boosting the finances of the boards and not improving quality of patient care or physician education. I'm in a different field (Psychiatry) but looking into NBPAS too. Also, I don't see the harm in having a website say "not meeting MOC requirements" while I check out other ways to stay up to date on CMEs and other patient care issues.
 
It all boils down to whether the majority of the hospitals and surgery centers accept alternative "certifications."

Right now the "gold" standard for anesthesiologists is the ABA certificate and or MOCA (for those certified after 1999 and more than 10 years pass primary certification after 1999).

If more hospitals accept alternative certification than these MOC will quickly have to change their fees.

The original aba MOCA written exam costs like $900 from 2008-2010. Than they jacked up the fees to $2100. There is zero justification in jacking up the fees unless the testing centers are jacking up their fees to host the test. If that's the case than the ABA should vote with their pocket books and look at alternative testing sites.

They change the requirements so often I can't even keep track anymore.
 
I think that the ASA is very responsive to the concerns of its members . . . . so write to them. Call if necessary to find out the correct person to write to. Join the relevant ASA committees (open applications every January). There are multiple committees that write these materials (practice improvement, ASA, SEE) and determine whether or not to charge for them. Become an ABA examiner (yearly open applications if you have been a diplomate for a few years). Call the ABA and find out how to join their committees and get involved. Join the committee and design a survey to prove your point that people do mind being charged for these. The work that multiple people are doing here is important, but if you are willing to put in the time, things do change from the inside as well.
 
I think that the ASA is very responsive to the concerns of its members . . . . so write to them. Call if necessary to find out the correct person to write to. Join the relevant ASA committees (open applications every January). There are multiple committees that write these materials (practice improvement, ASA, SEE) and determine whether or not to charge for them. Become an ABA examiner (yearly open applications if you have been a diplomate for a few years). Call the ABA and find out how to join their committees and get involved. Join the committee and design a survey to prove your point that people do mind being charged for these. The work that multiple people are doing here is important, but if you are willing to put in the time, things do change from the inside as well.
It sounds so simple when you say it like that. I can tell you from experience, it is a popularity club in the ASA committees and with the ABA examiners and question writers. You don't get in unless you know someone who vouches for you. If you don't believe me, try getting on one of the committees or applying as an examiner/question writer. They have lots of applicants for the spots and they go to people that are known within the groups.
 
I think that the ASA is very responsive to the concerns of its members . . . . so write to them. Call if necessary to find out the correct person to write to. Join the relevant ASA committees (open applications every January). There are multiple committees that write these materials (practice improvement, ASA, SEE) and determine whether or not to charge for them. Become an ABA examiner (yearly open applications if you have been a diplomate for a few years). Call the ABA and find out how to join their committees and get involved. Join the committee and design a survey to prove your point that people do mind being charged for these. The work that multiple people are doing here is important, but if you are willing to put in the time, things do change from the inside as well.
Do you really think so?
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ASA Membership: Some Say No

Are changes needed?

Robert E. Johnstone, MD

I practice anesthesiology, so I belong to the American Society of Anesthesiologists (ASA). The ASA organizes the specialty, develops standards, unites me with colleagues and represents us to the public. I joined in medical school, and have benefited in myriad ways since. But some anesthesiologists do not belong—formerly a few unusual individuals, but now a sizable minority. While most anesthesiologists value their membership and believe it important for their future, why do others say no?

Nonmembership first arose about 20 years ago. Everyone I knew before then belonged to the ASA. If someone forgot to pay their dues, a simple reminder led to their check being sent, and an apology. That changed in the 1990s, when managed care began. Managed care linked patient care and financing, introduced big government into health care, renamed professionals as providers, disrupted practices, divided clinicians, made cost reduction a goal, created ideologues and birthed political advocacy.

The ASA has 30,000 active members, and 52,000 members in all when residents, retirees and others are included—numbers that change daily with recruitments, renewals and retirements. At any given time, however, one-fourth of U.S. anesthesiologists are not ASA members, and some have not been for years. Nonmembership has grown over the years, a fact which has perhaps not attracted much attention since overall membership numbers (including retirees, residents, etc.) as well as the resultant dues have increased during that period.

So Why Not Become a Member?, I Asked

Nonmember anesthesiologists generally keep low profiles, knowing their free ride on ASA advocacy, standards development, quality promotion and public relations upsets dues-paying members. However, they can be found. Our state board of medicine, for instance, lists physicians who self-identify as anesthesiologists. Cross-checking with the ASA roster shows one-fourth of them as not being members. Some practices have even developed nonmembership cultures, noticeable when they want help from members with recruitment, regulatory compliance, media coverage or clinical consultations.

So why do anesthesiologists not belong? Just apathy, akin to why so few people vote today, or perhaps disillusionment with organized anesthesiology, or something else? I asked a few, and listened.

Their most common answers involved high costs, disagreements on issues and leader characterizations. Their focus was personal and present, not group or future.

ASA active membership costs $665 per year, plus the cost of required state component membership, which adds a few hundred dollars (e.g., California is $545, Florida is $395, and New York is $595). After requested political action committee (PAC) and foundation contributions, members often spend more than $2,000. Those also joining the American Medical Association, a state association and subspecialty society, which ASA leaders encourage, spend more than $3,000. Combining these with meeting, journal, education and other advocacy costs, many active members spend more than $8,000 per year on professional expenses.

Nonmember anesthesiologists receiving contract income without benefits and those working part time usually mentioned costs. Several said they would join the ASA if they did not also have to join their state component. Others said they would belong if their employer or group paid their dues.

One couple, both anesthesiologists and competent clinicians, nearing 60, who are working half time as locums contractors and were formerly very active in the ASA, wrote: “Most of our reasons for not joining last year (or this) was money. We are trying to cut down on expenses in order to maintain our lifestyles before we really retire. Can’t really explain it, but the other reason is that because we are only part time and not wholly invested in being anesthesiologists as a definition of our lives anymore, the ASA and the annual meeting seem to have less importance to us, and again, not worth the money.”

Some cost complaints are more specific. One private-practice cardiac anesthesiologist wrote, “(ASA) continuing medical education costs are too expensive. I can get my required CMEs [continuing medical education] for a much cheaper price.” Several complained about where the funds went (e.g., a new building, “150 employees” and “training sedation nurses”) or where the funds didn’t go (e.g., subspecialty society meeting support). Another frequent complaint, linking both costs and education, was perceived ASA support for the American Board of Anesthesiology Maintenance of Certification program.

Education costs of ASA products seem at or below the market. A national guideline for CME pricing is $12 per credit hour. The popular ASA Anesthesiology Continuing Education series costs $360 for 30 hours of credit. Anesthesiology journal CME costs $120 for 12 credit hours. The ASA Practice Management Conference costs $41 per available CME credit, whereas the main alternative conference costs $47.

Cost Is Not the Only Issue

The issues nonmembers complained about reflected their personal circumstances, political views and ASA perceptions, especially on nurse scope of practice. An anesthesiologist who does his own cases wrote, “The ASA is committed to the care team model. I am not. For the most part, other specialties don’t have the same problem with their extenders that we have. …The ASA does not represent my views.” And another: “For me to rejoin (after many years), you need to take a stronger stand against CRNAs.” However, a critical care anesthesiologist wrote, “The ASA wasted time, energy and money on a battle with the CRNAs. … The correct patient-centered approach is to work with folks to build the best integrated model.”

Some complaints seemed bizarre, even fantasized. One long-time nonmember complained his group has not made him a partner, an unethical practice the ASA condones, and “the reason why I am not a member.” Several mentioned how hard they work, whereas ASA officers do not, for example, “all the ASA presidents and officers haven’t seen the inside of an OR in forever.” (This irksome comment drives me to note that I worked full time clinically while I was an ASA officer.) One anesthesiologist perceived the ASA as too conservative and aligned with Republican politics—his reasons for not belonging.

Logically, more members would make the ASA more influential, especially if united. In 2010, Art Boudreaux, MD, ASA secretary, wrote, “A membership goal is to make ASA an invaluable part of every anesthesiologists professional practice.”* This is not happening. Is it even possible?

From my limited survey, attracting all anesthesiologists into the ASA is currently not possible, and perhaps not desirable. The anesthesiology community is large, numbering approximately 65,000 physicians, and heterogeneous. Some nonmembers distrust authority. Some seem angry, stressed or loners, undesirable traits for an effective professional society. Two nonmembers, among the highest earners in a group where everyone else belongs, seemed fixated on maximizing their current incomes. One nonmember who gambles most weekends has trouble paying his rent.

Many nonmembers seemed detached from the ASA, engaged in other aspects of life, such as research, volunteer work in underserved areas, golfing and raising families. They tuned out the ASA and politics.

A few rejoin when their life changes. One anesthesiologist responded, “I only join when looking for work or writing a department manual.”

What To Do?

The ASA can celebrate a majority membership, healthy budget, robust agenda, high-impact journal and successful programs. Many other societies cannot. American Medical Association membership is down to 17% of physicians, its PAC a fraction of the ASA PAC.

But is a society built around advocacy, with dues its primary funding, one that can continue to grow? What if advocacy falters? What if cost resistance grows?

Should more be done to attract nonmembers? Reducing costs would respond to their most common complaint. Is co-membership in a state component really necessary? Could individuals elect to drop their state memberships by paying $100 more for general state-level activities? Could the ASA take over willing state societies and eliminate redundant administrations? The ASA pays millions of dollars each year to its foundations. Could other ways be found to fund them, and reduce dues? Most not-my-belief comments mentioned advocacy. Should education be emphasized over advocacy? Could different messaging reach nonmembers, correct misperceptions and engage them in the future? Would discounts for groups with 100% ASA membership encourage intragroup discussions? Should non-members be identified publicly for members to interrogate?

The answers are unclear, but a start toward fuller membership would be to recognize the numerous nonmembers, understand why, and change.
 
Yeah, I saw that same article. Weird, because in one breath he says some common-sense stuff (don't charge so much, don't make people buy a state membership) and in the next breath suggests ... naming and shaming those who don't buy an ASA membership? I mean, right after he's essentially admitted that the costs can quickly get to be outlandishly expensive, even by the standards of other specialties? Surgery charges far less and state membership is completely optional.

I also liked the "perceived" support for MOCA, as if being a prominent supplier of officially-endorsed MOCA products didn't really imply anything about ASA's stance on it.
 
Of course the ASA loves MOCA, because MOCA specifically requires us to buy a lot of ASA materials (ACE, SEE, that ridiculous "patient safety" CME, etc). Those materials are really expensive for members, and really really expensive for non-members.

I cancelled my AMA membership years ago because those wankers are actively working against us. I'm not far away from leaving the ASA either. I'm still undecided about ASAPAC donations this year.
 
Yes, that article is strange. It must be taken with a grain of salt considering the author. He recently wrote an article for Anesthesiology News about "game changers" in anesthesiology. Of the things he considered the main game changers, one was the lyrics to Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" and another was Standards for Obstetric-Gynecologic Services. American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, Professional Standards Committee, Robert Johnstone,b chair, 1982. Yet another is a parable about a mouse, a fox, and a bear.

Thus, I offer my own Top 10 list of articles and events published or occurring during my lifetime that have changed the practice of anesthesiology—especially my own—and are still influencing the specialty. Incredibly (emphasis by me), none made the just-compiled all-time list, so readers can pick from both to build their own.

So, he is tasked with writing about 10 game changers, or landmark events, in anesthesiology in his lifetime and he chooses lyrics to a song about psychadelic drug use which happened to appear in a journal, a parable about a mouse, bear, and fox, and a report put out by a committee that he chaired.

Very strange.
 
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