Pharmaceutical outcomes

[hereticmnk]

Hey there,
There is already a thread about this in pharmacy forum but I thought I would go ahead and make a thread here. So is anyone interested in pharmaceutical outcomes? This probably most likely applies to people with an interest in epi or a biostat concentration.

I am enrolled in a PhD program with a possible interest in pharmacoepi or pharmacoecon concentration. The program is so public health oriented that by taking a few extra classes I can get a MPH in my first 2 years.

Anyone else thought about doing this after an MPH?

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[hereticmnk]

No epi people thought of this 🙁

 

[RAMPA]

Hey there,
There is already a thread about this in pharmacy forum but I thought I would go ahead and make a thread here. So is anyone interested in pharmaceutical outcomes? This probably most likely applies to people with an interest in epi or a biostat concentration.

I am enrolled in a PhD program with a possible interest in pharmacoepi or pharmacoecon concentration. The program is so public health oriented that by taking a few extra classes I can get a MPH in my first 2 years.

Anyone else thought about doing this after an MPH?

at my school those who are interested in pharma outcomes are mostly health econ people who fall under health services research/health policy & management.

 

[hereticmnk]

at my school those who are interested in pharma outcomes are mostly health econ people who fall under health services research/health policy & management.

Yeah its a very broad discipline but people in Epi should also feel right at home with it . Health service research/ health policy is just one aspect of Pharma outcomes research that one can specialize in if one chooses. I guess it also depends on your school and what the faculty chooses to focus on.

Well I guess there isn't as much of an interest in this topic as I thought there would be

 

[Stories]

Clinical trials seems to be the most logical fit from a epi/biostat perspective. Beyond that... I don't have much insight 😛

 

[hereticmnk]

Clinical trials seems to be the most logical fit from a epi/biostat perspective. Beyond that... I don't have much insight 😛

Yes... if you want to work on pharma clinical trials, a pharm. outcomes degree is a huge plus. There is also other epi applications to it.. like post-marketing surveillance and various employment opportunities in multiple settings.

 

[Apothacary]

I have considered the possibilty of going in this direction but I'm lacking some coursework on the biostat/epidemi side as well as training in SAS/STATA programming. Does anyone know if obtaining a certificate is worth the time and money? I found 2 programs that are online that I think might help. What are your thoughts?

UC San Diego Applied Biostatistics Certificate
http://extension.ucsd.edu/programs/index.cfm?vAction=certDetail&vCertificateID=161&vStudyAreaID=4

UW Applied Biostatistics Certificate
http://www.pce.uw.edu/certificates/applied-biostatistics/web-autumn-2012/

 

[hereticmnk]

I have considered the possibilty of going in this direction but I'm lacking some coursework on the biostat/epidemi side as well as training in SAS/STATA programming. Does anyone know if obtaining a certificate is worth the time and money? I found 2 programs that are online that I think might help. What are your thoughts?

UC San Diego Applied Biostatistics Certificate
http://extension.ucsd.edu/programs/index.cfm?vAction=certDetail&vCertificateID=161&vStudyAreaID=4

UW Applied Biostatistics Certificate
http://www.pce.uw.edu/certificates/applied-biostatistics/web-autumn-2012/

No, you do not need these certifications. Although an expert certification from SAS wouldn't really hurt but it can be expensive. You learn all these things in the graduate program. I am a pharmacist, and have literally no idea how to do SAS and had just one course in Biostat and one course in ClinEpi during my didactic curriculum. I will be taking the relevant courses starting this semester. I will post again after I have some experience with the program.

 

[mandyL]

Hey there,
There is already a thread about this in pharmacy forum but I thought I would go ahead and make a thread here. So is anyone interested in pharmaceutical outcomes? This probably most likely applies to people with an interest in epi or a biostat concentration.

I am enrolled in a PhD program with a possible interest in pharmacoepi or pharmacoecon concentration. The program is so public health oriented that by taking a few extra classes I can get a MPH in my first 2 years.

Anyone else thought about doing this after an MPH?

Hi,

Pharmaceutical outcome research is what I wanna do in the future! I'm currently an epidemiology student specializing in clinical trials at Johns Hopkins. I'm about to start my 2nd year and I will be graduating in May 2013. What PhD program are you in? I'm interested in doing a PhD in health economics after my master's degree. My undergrad major is pharmaceutical science, with a focus on new drug development. I'm planning to start application this fall and get enrolled in fall 2013, so I've been looking for schools/programs. I'm also considering applying to pharmacoeconomics PhD programs.

Meng

 

[thedrjojo]

I'm an MD and about to start my MPH in Quantitative methods (biostats focus) with an ultimate goal of performing clinical trials within my practice (which right now I hope to be Transplant Surgery, which is what my PI does right now). Much of the clinical trials work will likely involve new drugs/drug strategies, likely involving advances in immunosuppression (although most of the work I'm doing now with my PI is donor side optimization and looking at preconditioning and improving donor management strategies), so yeah, i will be interested in specific pharma outcomes in my career with my MPH

 

[hereticmnk]

I have considered the possibilty of going in this direction but I'm lacking some coursework on the biostat/epidemi side as well as training in SAS/STATA programming. Does anyone know if obtaining a certificate is worth the time and money? I found 2 programs that are online that I think might help. What are your thoughts?

UC San Diego Applied Biostatistics Certificate
http://extension.ucsd.edu/programs/index.cfm?vAction=certDetail&vCertificateID=161&vStudyAreaID=4

UW Applied Biostatistics Certificate
http://www.pce.uw.edu/certificates/applied-biostatistics/web-autumn-2012/

So it looks like the SAS certificate is actually really well respected. It is going to be expensive though. I got SAS for a student price but the certificate training is really expensive.I would recommend getting one if money is not that big of an issue.

 

[hereticmnk]

Hi,

Pharmaceutical outcome research is what I wanna do in the future! I'm currently an epidemiology student specializing in clinical trials at Johns Hopkins. I'm about to start my 2nd year and I will be graduating in May 2013. What PhD program are you in? I'm interested in doing a PhD in health economics after my master's degree. My undergrad major is pharmaceutical science, with a focus on new drug development. I'm planning to start application this fall and get enrolled in fall 2013, so I've been looking for schools/programs. I'm also considering applying to pharmacoeconomics PhD programs.

Meng

I have already told you all I know in the PM's we exchanged. Forgot already 😛
I just started my program so I am more informed than I was before, but not by too much that I have new information to add to what I already told you.

EDIT- Also just to point out, clinical trials = more pharmacoepi. Health econ=/= pharmacoeocon. Pharmacocon has little to do with eocnomics and is a subset of health econ.If you know what you want to do, go to a specific program. Health econ is also acceptable if you want to be in pharma as a director of pharmaceutical outcomes or something similar.

 

[hereticmnk]

I'm an MD and about to start my MPH in Quantitative methods (biostats focus) with an ultimate goal of performing clinical trials within my practice (which right now I hope to be Transplant Surgery, which is what my PI does right now). Much of the clinical trials work will likely involve new drugs/drug strategies, likely involving advances in immunosuppression (although most of the work I'm doing now with my PI is donor side optimization and looking at preconditioning and improving donor management strategies), so yeah, i will be interested in specific pharma outcomes in my career with my MPH

It isn't unheard of an MD to be enrolled in the PhD program I am in. However, it is rare. I remember seeing some in the schools I was looking into. I met one lady who was in peds interested in pharm. outcomes amongst pediatric patients. I know you didn't mention that you were interested in the PhD program . I think it would be an overkill for you anyway .

To have a clear cut goal is always good. Your current research in donor side transplant strategies seems fascinating. I currently have no idea what I am going to be doing with my degree but I know that doors will be open that were previously close to me.

 

[mandyL]

I have already told you all I know in the PM's we exchanged. Forgot already 😛
I just started my program so I am more informed than I was before, but not by too much that I have new information to add to what I already told you.

EDIT- Also just to point out, clinical trials = more pharmacoepi. Health econ=/= pharmacoeocon. Pharmacocon has little to do with eocnomics and is a subset of health econ.If you know what you want to do, go to a specific program. Health econ is also acceptable if you want to be in pharma as a director of pharmaceutical outcomes or something similar.

haha, true. I want to apply to some pharmacoecon programs as well as some health econ programs mainly because there are not a lot of pharmacoecon programs in this country! Some people recommended health econ to me, because it is more about methodology. But I guess it won't be easy for me to get into health econ programs b/c I don't have any background in economics. I'm going to take some health econ classes in the 2nd year of my master's program. I hope that will help a little bit...

 

[hereticmnk]

haha, true. I want to apply to some pharmacoecon programs as well as some health econ programs mainly because there are not a lot of pharmacoecon programs in this country! Some people recommended health econ to me, because it is more about methodology. But I guess it won't be easy for me to get into health econ programs b/c I don't have any background in economics. I'm going to take some health econ classes in the 2nd year of my master's program. I hope that will help a little bit...

Cant you apply for epi program in John Hopkins? Too expensive lol. I know someone who applied and got accepted to John Hopkins epi PhD but the tution was 75k 1st year and 60k the 2nd year and I was like wtf. She decided to go with my graduate program after that.

Now just because there aren't a lot of pharmacoecon courses does not mean that it's an awesome degree. I can refer you to a pharmacoecon online MS program where you can take some classes on pharmacoeconomic modelling and pharma micro and macro/policy. I am sure you could transfer those and you do not have to be accepted to the program to take those. I can't comment on the methodology of my program yet because I have yet to dive into the juicy parts of the program.

 

[mandyL]

Cant you apply for epi program in John Hopkins? Too expensive lol. I know someone who applied and got accepted to John Hopkins epi PhD but the tution was 75k 1st year and 60k the 2nd year and I was like wtf. She decided to go with my graduate program after that.

Now just because there aren't a lot of pharmacoecon courses does not mean that it's an awesome degree. I can refer you to a pharmacoecon online MS program where you can take some classes on pharmacoeconomic modelling and pharma micro and macro/policy. I am sure you could transfer those and you do not have to be accepted to the program to take those. I can't comment on the methodology of my program yet because I have yet to dive into the juicy parts of the program.

wait... what? 75k and 60k??? I don't know it's that much... master's tuition is 42k 1st year and 10k the 2nd year. why is phd's tuition so expensive? But Hopkins usually admits more phd students than it can support, so there are some students without enough funding. But 75k and 60k? that's insane. I've spent a lot of money on my master's degree. I don't wanna spend more money on my PHD.

 

[rxlea]

So, any accomplished health outcomes peeps interested in a faculty position? Contact me 😀