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From: http://www.pharmacytimes.com/issues/articles/2005-01_1830.asp

PHARMACIST OVER-SUPPLY?
Fred M. Eckel, RPh, MS, Pharmacy Times Editor-in-Chief

In 2 different presentations I heard something I have not heard discussed for a long time. Both speakers suggested that we could experience an over-supply of pharmacists. Recently, I have heard some pharmacy leaders suggest that the supply of pharmacists seems to be adequate in their geographic area, but they have not suggested an over-supply. The first presentation suggested that as e-prescribing increases, expert system-enhanced computer systems become more common and technicians' role expand, the number of pharmacists needed to fill prescriptions will decline. The other speaker suggested that if pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) are able to promote restricted distribution systems and mandate more mail order usage, it could reduce the number of prescriptions filled in community pharmacy. A PBM executive suggested that there is an excess of 20,000 community pharmacies because the existing mail order capacity could absorb the prescription dispensing from those stores and at a lower cost. In 2003, mail order filled 17.2% of all prescriptions, and, more importantly, this was the fastest growing segment, with over a 10% increase over the previous year. If the new Medicare Part D allows a prominent role for PBMs with restricted distribution networks and mandatory mail order options, then it is possible that there will be less need for pharmacists to dispense prescriptions in community pharmacy. Interestingly Walton, et al. reported (J Am Pharm Assoc 2004;44:673-683) that the most accurate predictor of the number of pharmacist positions was the number of community pharmacy prescriptions. Thus, it is logical to suggest that any policy change to decrease prescription filling in community pharmacy will adversely affect the number of pharmacist positions. That is why you are now seeing campaigns from pharmacy groups to publicize the consequences of mail order and restricted distribution systems on patient access as well as the hidden costs associated with PBM programs. Of course, PBMs have mounted their own public relations campaign. This suggests that the economic consequences of any decisions made about where prescriptions will be filled could have significant financial implications. If these scenarios were to occur in the next few years, are you prepared for the possible decreased need for dispensing pharmacists?
 
No one ever mentions anything about a possible saturation at my school. I still hear students talking about their future fat sign on bonuses and bla bla, since most students will end up in a retail setting, I think my school is doing the students a disservice by not addressing the issue in open discussion.

The only way I see myself in retail pharmacy is if I owned my own joint and offered profitable services outside of dispensing. As of right now I see myself in Public Health Service, so I feel prepared for less dispensing pharmacists although I do not want to see it happen.
 
No one ever mentions anything about a possible saturation at my school. I still hear students talking about their future fat sign on bonuses and bla bla, since most students will end up in a retail setting, I think my school is doing the students a disservice by not addressing the issue in open discussion.

The only way I see myself in retail pharmacy is if I owned my own joint and offered profitable services outside of dispensing. As of right now I see myself in Public Health Service, so I feel prepared for less dispensing pharmacists although I do not want to see it happen.

PHS is a really good path for pharmacists. It gives you the benefit of working for the government along with a pharmacist pay. However, those jobs might be harder to get now unless you want to relocate to an indian reservation.
 
Once I finish my contract, thats definitely something I am going to pursue by the way so back off.
 
Once I finish my contract, thats definitely something I am going to pursue by the way so back off.

Good thing I am a hillbilly and like living in BFE. I still have 2 years of school learnings left so you will probably beat me to punch. Have you looked into the NCPS certification they have for pharmacists in IHS, http://www.hhs.gov/pharmacy/clinpharm/certifications/index.html, it sounds pretty cool. Overall it sounds like a very progressive system, where you can do a lot of good for patients. The benefits and time off sound pretty sweet as well.

I plan on doing a 4th year rotation at a IHS site to see if it really is for me. Doing a residency with IHS is something I am considering as well. I am always on the look out to hear new perspectives on PHS. Everything seems to be very positive but I would like to hear about some of the big drawbacks people see.

How much longer do you have on your contract Aznfarmerboi? What are the negatives for you when it comes to PHS?
 
Can I make a suggestion. I would like everyone who posted to read the entire article in the link and tell me what is fishy with this article and why you should pay it no mind whatsoever.

Use your analytical skills to tell me what's up with the article. Do they teach you guys to read articles in school?

First guy or gal get's a nice piece of Pharmacy swag from my personal collection....
 
Can I make a suggestion. I would like everyone who posted to read the entire article in the link and tell me what is fishy with this article and why you should pay it no mind whatsoever.

Use your analytical skills to tell me what's up with the article. Do they teach you guys to read articles in school?

First guy or gal get's a nice piece of Pharmacy swag from my personal collection....

I'll bite.

No citation of the speakers? presentations? And a lot of random numbers thrown around with no support.
 
They teach us, if there aint no pretty graphs or pictures then the study aint even worth me taking a gander at.
 
I'll bite.

No citation of the speakers? presentations? And a lot of random numbers thrown around with no support.

Nope, only one entry per person. Offer void in Wisconsin......

They teach us, if there aint no pretty graphs or pictures then the study aint even worth me taking a gander at.

Not interested enough to read it, but you are willing to comment on it.....
 
Can I make a suggestion. I would like everyone who posted to read the entire article in the link and tell me what is fishy with this article and why you should pay it no mind whatsoever.

Use your analytical skills to tell me what's up with the article. Do they teach you guys to read articles in school?

First guy or gal get's a nice piece of Pharmacy swag from my personal collection....

The article was originally posted in 2005. Thus, it's outdated.
 
The article was originally posted in 2005. Thus, it's outdated.

You are the Grand Prize Winner today.....

Send me a PM and I'll let you know what prize you have won. I may dig deep in the prize closet and give you a choice.....
 
From: http://www.pharmacytimes.com/issues/articles/2005-01_1830.asp

PHARMACIST OVER-SUPPLY?
Fred M. Eckel, RPh, MS, Pharmacy Times Editor-in-Chief

In 2 different presentations I heard something I have not heard discussed for a long time. Both speakers suggested that we could experience an over-supply of pharmacists. Recently, I have heard some pharmacy leaders suggest that the supply of pharmacists seems to be adequate in their geographic area, but they have not suggested an over-supply. The first presentation suggested that as e-prescribing increases, expert system-enhanced computer systems become more common and technicians' role expand, the number of pharmacists needed to fill prescriptions will decline. The other speaker suggested that if pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs) are able to promote restricted distribution systems and mandate more mail order usage, it could reduce the number of prescriptions filled in community pharmacy. A PBM executive suggested that there is an excess of 20,000 community pharmacies because the existing mail order capacity could absorb the prescription dispensing from those stores and at a lower cost. In 2003, mail order filled 17.2% of all prescriptions, and, more importantly, this was the fastest growing segment, with over a 10% increase over the previous year. If the new Medicare Part D allows a prominent role for PBMs with restricted distribution networks and mandatory mail order options, then it is possible that there will be less need for pharmacists to dispense prescriptions in community pharmacy. Interestingly Walton, et al. reported (J Am Pharm Assoc 2004;44:673-683) that the most accurate predictor of the number of pharmacist positions was the number of community pharmacy prescriptions. Thus, it is logical to suggest that any policy change to decrease prescription filling in community pharmacy will adversely affect the number of pharmacist positions. That is why you are now seeing campaigns from pharmacy groups to publicize the consequences of mail order and restricted distribution systems on patient access as well as the hidden costs associated with PBM programs. Of course, PBMs have mounted their own public relations campaign. This suggests that the economic consequences of any decisions made about where prescriptions will be filled could have significant financial implications. If these scenarios were to occur in the next few years, are you prepared for the possible decreased need for dispensing pharmacists?

doesnt sound like anything we didnt already know.
 
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Not interested enough to read it, but you are willing to comment on it.....

If you read my post, I never commented on the article, only on the fact that my school never mentions the future possibility of a saturation of pharmacists and what options and paths are out there to protect ourselves and truly stand a head above our peers.😉 Its cool though...I won't hold it against you. ShaZam old timer man.:laugh:
 
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