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I don't believe the percentage of pharmacists in retail will change that much. The biggest demand is still there. Hospital is the area which has seen the biggest drop, and PBM has seen the largest gain. Hospital is the only sector forecasted to loose jobs. Retail is projected to stay about the same, and PBM has increased.
 
I don't believe the percentage of pharmacists in retail will change that much. The biggest demand is still there. Hospital is the area which has seen the biggest drop, and PBM has seen the largest gain. Hospital is the only sector forecasted to loose jobs. Retail is projected to stay about the same, and PBM has increased.

Can you cite your source for these claims please, so I can read these "projections"?
 
It's a bit of a shock to me how so many people are planning on spending on such extravagant things (with money they do not even have yet). With that mentality, it doesn't really matter how much money you're going to make if you are just going to spend it all on luxury items.

100k will get you by quite comfortably in new york. Of course, if you insist on living in the "hip" neighborhoods and blowing all your money on extravagance, that income probably won't last. But with 100k/year you can get a decent sized apartment anywhere from 900-1,500/mo in the outer boroughs with a reasonable commute to monhattan (by mass transit), pay your bills, have money leftover to spend on night outs and contribute to your savings.
 
Big city life is interesting to me - or rather the decision to live it. It seems like it would be a lot of fun, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of value considering the cost. For instance, where I live a 100k salary would allow you a very large home on perhaps a few acres as long as you spent some time saving beforehand.
I guess the value in living in a small apartment in NY is that you are in, well - New York.

Is that the allure?
 
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Big city life is interesting to me - or rather the decision to live it. It seems like it would be a lot of fun, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of value for the cost. For instance, where I live a 100k salary would allow you a very large home on perhaps a few acres as long as you spent some time saving beforehand.
I guess the value in living in a small apartment in NY is that you are in, well - New York.

Is that the allure?

i agree. "going out" got boring for me about halfway through undergrad. i dont think the cost of living in a big city is worth the amentities. Give me a town of at least 20,000 though, dunno if i would go any smaller than that. I dont know if people really know how much they could buy out in rural areas. If your mortgage payment is only $400/month, you could retire pretty early, and still afford many luxuries.
 
There are many people who make far less than $100 k/year and they have mortgages of their own. Making a pharmacist's salary puts you in the top 10-15% of the US population

Actually top 5% if you consult the us census bureau
 
The allure of big-city life, for me, is the vibrancy of the city's economical industry. For example, when I visit my in-laws in Fremont, Nebraska (population is about 50k), and we want to go out for a late snack or to a club or something, our options stop at 11:30 pm. Hell, even Davis closes most of its doors around 0100, and it's a COLLEGE CITY! I love San Francisco, because at ANY hour, 3 out of 4 storefronts will be open deep into the night. Whatever you want/need to do, 24 hours a day, you can do.

Rural areas have appeal for vacation and 'break time'. We have a family time-share in Sedona, AZ and it's absolutely gorgeous to go out there for 14 days and just relax. Stars at night, no sirens, no shooting, no hustle'n'bustle.

But for me, I love an alive city. People coming and going at all hours, big name shops, nice car dealerships (If you want anything beyond a Ford or Chevy in Fremont you have to hit Lincoln, 90-120 minutes away) etc.

Some people LOVE the solitude of rural areas. Some, I guess. And sure, land is cheap. But I hate isolation. I am a people person, so that's what I love big cities...

I'm sure everyone's reason would be different. A lot of it probably has to do with hobbies. If you're an outdoorsman, like fishing and hunting, Montana is probably unparalleled for convenience in that. But I enjoy coffee shops with 10gig ethernet, Prada, Neiman-Marcus and Gucci stores on the corner, thousands of people milling about, and I love driving on really nice freeways, among other things. My hobbies are more in-doors, like reading and sleeping (for now, lol!). I don't care for fishing and I've fired more than enough bullets in 4 years in the Army. I have zero desire to kill another living thing for as long as I live, besides the errant spider or cockroach.

I guess a lot of it probably has to do with personality. If you enjoy being around people, a big city has big allure. If you're a loner-type, more introverted, then a rural area would probably be ideal. So many factors here we could go on for days...
 
"Projected Need"
Nationally, faster than average employment growth
is expected for pharmacists.


Slow job growth for pharmacists is expected in retail
pharmacies.

Also,

Employment in hospitals is also expected to
grow slowly as patients stay there for shorter
periods.

I don't see any substantiation for your claims of retail expanding and hospital declining. Indeed, it seems as though, per your own source, both fields (retail and hospital) declining/slowly growing, and the only booms will be in "managed care" , so working for an HMO and analyzing drug-use patterns for them, maybe to detect and prevent/stop abuse/overRx and in research areas.

Essentially, your own source is basically saying:

Expect current pharmacy settings, including retail and clinical positions, to continue to slow through 2010 but not stop completely, and expect new settings and jobs, like in these managed care and research/disease management settings, to increase with a premium placed on folks capable/trained in research.

I see nothing to prove this claim;

Hospital is the only sector forecasted to loose[sic] jobs.
 
Has anyone said nuclear pharmacy yet? More specifically cardiology and monoclonal antibody imaging? (thank you Spiriva!!!!!)

This is some interesting stuff.
 
Has anyone said nuclear pharmacy yet? More specifically cardiology and monoclonal antibody imaging? (thank you Spiriva!!!!!)

This is some interesting stuff.

Yeah it is interesting, definitely...

Heh, we have Spiriva stick-it notes and I always think of her avatar every time I wrote a note to one of the other volunteers.
 
the BLS handbook has a prediction for specific sectors of pharmacy if you're interested


here's the detailed xls with sector by sector information ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/ep/ind-occ.matrix/occ_xls/occ_29-1051.zip

Wow, that's very interesting, thanks for the link. I've used BLS a lot before but never saw that... very, very cool.

Looks like our only negatives are in government positions (not a surprise given the current economy) and in psychiatric facilities.

Neat... gonna look through that and absorb it.
 
It's a bit of a shock to me how so many people are planning on spending on such extravagant things (with money they do not even have yet). With that mentality, it doesn't really matter how much money you're going to make if you are just going to spend it all on luxury items.

100k will get you by quite comfortably in new york. Of course, if you insist on living in the "hip" neighborhoods and blowing all your money on extravagance, that income probably won't last. But with 100k/year you can get a decent sized apartment anywhere from 900-1,500/mo in the outer boroughs with a reasonable commute to monhattan (by mass transit), pay your bills, have money leftover to spend on night outs and contribute to your savings.

Hmm, interesting point. I think though that in reality what (pre-)pharmacy students (like me) say they're going to buy is not necessarily what they will buy. Sometimes when your up late studying for a test, it helps to think of material "benefits" and luxuries that you might get once you graduate. That said once your out in the work force earning your living and having to pay taxes, student loans, etc. It becomes harder to part with your money for that 80k sports car, when a nice Camery will get you to the same places and back plus save you money on gas for less than 30k.

Of course not everyone thinks like that. I'll let you know in a few years 😛.
 
Hmm, interesting point. I think though that in reality what (pre-)pharmacy students (like me) say they're going to buy is not necessarily what they will buy. Sometimes when your up late studying for a test, it helps to think of material "benefits" and luxuries that you might get once you graduate. That said once your out in the work force earning your living and having to pay taxes, student loans, etc. It becomes harder to part with your money for that 80k sports car, when a nice Camery will get you to the same places and back plus save you money on gas for less than 30k.

Of course not everyone thinks like that. I'll let you know in a few years 😛.

Eyes on the prize.

I'll never be caught dead in a Camry.
 
I just started skimming through this thread but this is hilarious! I thought I was the only one who worried about these things but I can def. relate to what you guys are thinking!

Passion4Sci, your comment about the state schools being similar to Stanford (minus the arrogance) is great... not proud to mention that I did the whole 150K dollar bachelors degree at a private school, but luckily I had a 3/4 scholarship, along with Florida Bright Futures scholarship (thank you FL Lotto lol), and local scholarships I received upon graduating from HS, so that pretty much paid for it. I def. would not have paid out of pocket, because now that I am taking summer classes at state schools I see that the differences are minor, and my classmates are much more friendly towards others!!!

I'm also STRESSED about our current situation... but I guess I'm one of those people who truly believes the whole "do what you love" thing, but hey, I love nice things too, and my family is such a huge support that I want to be able to help them out when they grow older too. I just want to be comfortable = /
 
I don't know if this was addressed yet, but what do you guys think about how what school you attend affects your job prospects? Do you think it matters if you attend a top 10-15 COP? Will those graduates still get the coveted job offers at great companies while the others compete? I'm in the process of finishing my application for the 2010 cycle, so this is very interesting to me. Also, what do you think of the joint degrees that are becoming more popular? I'm working on an MBA during my year off, but more school always = more tuition.

... and I know you don't want to go down this road again but ohh the living expenses in south Florida! Footing the rent on a 1 bedroom in a DECENT area runs at least 12,000 a year, not including utilites = ( Now I know that probably isn't anything compared to NYC or the Bay area, but my parents live in the Florida Keys and it's even much worse down there. I'm in no hurry to take on the tax payments on their house, hopefully much, much later in life (im an only child) 😱

I've developed some pretty good waitressing skills trying to support myself! Those pharmacy schools upstate are starting to look more amazing to me every day! (Honestly I will go to any of the schools with open arms and just be happy I got accepted)

I've pretty much come to accept the fact that I may just be one of many doctorate degree holders who are moonlighting as a waitress on the weekend. It's a great way to pay your loans back faster, but I'm going to school for something I love, and waitressing is not that!

lol @ the camry. I'm not a flashy person but you gotta have the sports sedan... its a must... or maybe that's just the Miami coming out in me... I need to get out of this city... Gainesville sounds good right about now. :xf:😳
 
My friend just finished his residency and is a Clinical Pharm in Southern California. They started him at $50/hr. Is that a good ballpark when it comes to Clinical Pharm?

After talking to him about all of the different stuff you can do as a clinical Pharm...it sounds pretty interesting. I would be interested in doing that...
 
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Right now, and in the foreseeable future, rankings are really not that important. The problem with rankings for pharmacy schools is that there's nothing really that can separate School X from School Y like a law school has, for example.

Take Harvard LS. They have people like Alan Dershowitz and other famous and infamous attorneys, supreme court justices, etc guest lecture and some of them are full-time professors there. That means the students at that school will receive a first-hand education from our nation's best lawyers.

Then look at Pharmacy. We really don't have that sort of "history" to pull from. Another problem is that we lack an "ivy league", and pharmacy schools are rarely housed in nationally known universities. You can go to the middle of Texas and people will know where Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, and Stanford are. Will the necessarily know where Chapel Hill is? Or UCSF, outside of the San Francisco identifier? Not really.

Next problem is that pharmacies don't recruit out of schools strictly on reputation. If you go to a T14 law school, you are pretty much sniped right out of their by a V100 firm. No such luck, even from UCSF CoP.

That's only the tip of the iceberg. So, for now, a Pharm.D is still a Pharm.D. It's anyone's guess as to when that'll change, if ever...
 
Well that is good news at least... I was reading another thread on this site that was pretty much predicting doomsday and telling everyone that recent grads will never get a job offering unless you are from a top 15 COP because of all the new pharmacy schools randomly popping up everywhere, but of course this is a discussion forum so not everything we see on here is a fact.

I just want to get into a decent school so I know that I will be well prepared to do my job when I finally graduate. As I get older I'm not AS picky about where I end up living, but of course I have my preferences. I've always lived in a decent sized city (gotta have somewhere to eat at 4am if I'm hungry lol) so that's sort of a requirement, but Florida was (don't know about recently) one of the fastest developing states so things shouldn't be too bad I'm guessing? Not to mention all those retirement communities haha.

I feel so old when you guys talk about graduating pharmacy when you are 24!!! That is nothing! lol I will be 26, almost 27 to the day! I'm 22 now, but most people still think I'm in high school so I guess that's the one and only upside to that deal 😕
Idk how I feel sometimes because on one hand... I'm looking forward to starting a career and everything... but on the other hand I thoroughly enjoy school and being a student. It sounds really corny but I look at it as a journey I guess? I try to live in the present and enjoy the stuff that I probably couldn't do if I was tied to a full time job or was grown with a family to support or something like that.
 
Well that is good news at least... I was reading another thread on this site that was pretty much predicting doomsday and telling everyone that recent grads will never get a job offering unless you are from a top 15 COP because of all the new pharmacy schools randomly popping up everywhere, but of course this is a discussion forum so not everything we see on here is a fact.

I just want to get into a decent school so I know that I will be well prepared to do my job when I finally graduate. As I get older I'm not AS picky about where I end up living, but of course I have my preferences. I've always lived in a decent sized city (gotta have somewhere to eat at 4am if I'm hungry lol) so that's sort of a requirement, but Florida was (don't know about recently) one of the fastest developing states so things shouldn't be too bad I'm guessing? Not to mention all those retirement communities haha.

I feel so old when you guys talk about graduating pharmacy when you are 24!!! That is nothing! lol I will be 26, almost 27 to the day! I'm 22 now, but most people still think I'm in high school so I guess that's the one and only upside to that deal 😕
Idk how I feel sometimes because on one hand... I'm looking forward to starting a career and everything... but on the other hand I thoroughly enjoy school and being a student. It sounds really corny but I look at it as a journey I guess? I try to live in the present and enjoy the stuff that I probably couldn't do if I was tied to a full time job or was grown with a family to support or something like that.

Well in that case, go for a PhD! Extra 3-4+ years of College!

As for your concern about which Pharm. school to go to. You might want to consider the most "convenient" one, as in the one that will be the cheapest for you to go to. Sure if you live in Florida you could go all the way out to Cali for Pharmacy school, but then you'll have a lot more debit, not to mention having to pay for transportation etc. Another ( potentially more important) consideration is the curriculum of the individual schools themselves and how the program works.

As for rankings, I think they have more to do with the "age" of the program as well as research accomplishments than anything else but I could be wrong.
 
Zrchrn... you're right... I'm gravitating towards UF because it is convenient for me as a Florida resident and the most affordable... it's also a big plus knowing that I'll get a quality education if I get in. Unfortunately everyone else knows that too, but hey it's worth a shot!!! lol

Obviously Nova looks very attractive to me too since I already go there for grad school, but there's more competition from out of state applicants, and the higher tuition, but other than that it's easy because I wouldn't have to move or look for a new job.

I'm still going to apply out of state just in case because I don't mind a change of scenery, but yes the California tuition would be rough on me. It's probably even more expensive to live there too. A 1/1 apartment here is 1000/month and that doesn't include any utilities. Obviously I don't have much fun money left over... but I like it that way... it keeps me studious = ) Haha who am I kidding?
 
A 1/1 is about $1,000 here too, depending onwhere you live. I mean, you can even live in San Francisco pretty inexpensively if you share the rent. If you're completely on your own and you like it that way, a small but cozy 1 roomer will definitely run you in the neighborhood of 1100 a month, maybe less maybe more depending on if you get a deal on it and where you are. But if you move out of SF and into like, East Bay, where you can still EASILY ride BART to UCSF, you can find a decent 1/1 for 800 a month.

So it looks like the living expense is about the same as you're used to. Maybe gas might be more expensive here, maybe groceries? We could do some comparos if you want. I do the shopping around here... Wife definitely wears the pants in the family.
 
I always love learning about different areas... I would actually do the traveling myself if I had the $ and time, but I take what I can get! lol It is similar here, except to get the cheaper rent (in the 800 range) some of the areas are pretty shady unfortunately = / In Miami I lived alone because my bf had to live and work down in the Keys, but now that I'm going to Nova we are going to split everything THANKFULLY. That really helps when you can split a 1/1! Gas in the Keys is hovering around 2.85 for regular right now, and in Dade/Broward it's about 2.65, which I think is pretty average? I don't know about groceries because I really like the buy 1 get 1 free deals at Publix (which are only found in the SE I think?), but I also shop at BJs Wholesale for certain items that I use a lot.

I've had to develop some expert deal locating skills throughout undergrad... the only thing I won't cheap out on is gas... I swear that premium makes a difference depending on the car, but some people think I am an idiot lol
 
You know, the more I think about it, the happier I am considering that the cost of living in Alabama is relatively lower than its neighboring states(excluding Mississippi, but they don't have Auburn HSOP, soooo......)

I'm looking forward to that HPSP monthly stipend. (1992.00 if I recall correctly.) Nuke Pharm here I come!!!!!

edit: Yes, I'm aware that Auburn doesn't have a NP program. I was referring to Walter Reed Medical Center.
 
I always love learning about different areas... I would actually do the traveling myself if I had the $ and time, but I take what I can get! lol It is similar here, except to get the cheaper rent (in the 800 range) some of the areas are pretty shady unfortunately = / In Miami I lived alone because my bf had to live and work down in the Keys, but now that I'm going to Nova we are going to split everything THANKFULLY. That really helps when you can split a 1/1! Gas in the Keys is hovering around 2.85 for regular right now, and in Dade/Broward it's about 2.65, which I think is pretty average? I don't know about groceries because I really like the buy 1 get 1 free deals at Publix (which are only found in the SE I think?), but I also shop at BJs Wholesale for certain items that I use a lot.

I've had to develop some expert deal locating skills throughout undergrad... the only thing I won't cheap out on is gas... I swear that premium makes a difference depending on the car, but some people think I am an idiot lol

Using a higher octane fuel than your car needs is a waste, actually. Octane rating, oversimplified, is its resistance to "knocking". High octane fuel is more difficult to ignite, and high compression ratio motors need that. Low octane gasoline simply ignites faster than its higher test counterparts, and in a car like my Mustang, low octane gas would knock like crazy (Some people call knocking pinging). High performance, high horsepower cars need higher octane gasoline because they, usually, have higher compression ratios thus needing fuel that resist combustion for as long as possible, or burns slower. The problem for your nonperformance car is that it doesn't need that slow burning fuel, and actually will decrease gas mileage in a car that does not need it. Essentially, you're completely wasting your money. High octane gas is not necessarily higher quality than the lower grade stuff, nor is it any more "powerful."

Scientifically, an engine that does not need 89 or 91 octane will run worse than on 87. My wife did that for years before I told her that it's a complete waste. Take the money savings and invest in synthetic blend or full synthetic oil with a Mobil 1 filter. That's high quality you can trust. You'll also get the added benefit of running 4 to 5 k miles between changes, maybe more if you only drive ont he freeway (I usually go 5500 miles between changes and the oil comes out really clean still, but 90% of my driving is freeway straightaways). I'm stuck with running premium in my Mustang due to its supercharger, at a whopping $3.19 a gallon now (Albeit better than $4.75 like last summer). Our regular grade 87 octane out here, at the cheapo cash only station, is $2.89.
 
I always love learning about different areas... I would actually do the traveling myself if I had the $ and time, but I take what I can get! lol It is similar here, except to get the cheaper rent (in the 800 range) some of the areas are pretty shady unfortunately = / In Miami I lived alone because my bf had to live and work down in the Keys, but now that I'm going to Nova we are going to split everything THANKFULLY. That really helps when you can split a 1/1! Gas in the Keys is hovering around 2.85 for regular right now, and in Dade/Broward it's about 2.65, which I think is pretty average? I don't know about groceries because I really like the buy 1 get 1 free deals at Publix (which are only found in the SE I think?), but I also shop at BJs Wholesale for certain items that I use a lot.

I've had to develop some expert deal locating skills throughout undergrad... the only thing I won't cheap out on is gas... I swear that premium makes a difference depending on the car, but some people think I am an idiot lol

Passion4Sci you beat me to it.....I had a response half-way typed walked away and there yours was.🙄
 
Sorry!

The early bird gets the first-responder award. 😉
Darn it! I really wanted that award too! :laugh: (is it just me or does this "laughing" smiley look like it's choking.)
 
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Using a higher octane fuel than your car needs is a waste, actually. Octane rating, oversimplified, is its resistance to "knocking". High octane fuel is more difficult to ignite, and high compression ratio motors need that. Low octane gasoline simply ignites faster than its higher test counterparts, and in a car like my Mustang, low octane gas would knock like crazy (Some people call knocking pinging). High performance, high horsepower cars need higher octane gasoline because they, usually, have higher compression ratios thus needing fuel that resist combustion for as long as possible, or burns slower. The problem for your nonperformance car is that it doesn't need that slow burning fuel, and actually will decrease gas mileage in a car that does not need it. Essentially, you're completely wasting your money. High octane gas is not necessarily higher quality than the lower grade stuff, nor is it any more "powerful."

Scientifically, an engine that does not need 89 or 91 octane will run worse than on 87. My wife did that for years before I told her that it's a complete waste. Take the money savings and invest in synthetic blend or full synthetic oil with a Mobil 1 filter. That's high quality you can trust. You'll also get the added benefit of running 4 to 5 k miles between changes, maybe more if you only drive ont he freeway (I usually go 5500 miles between changes and the oil comes out really clean still, but 90% of my driving is freeway straightaways). I'm stuck with running premium in my Mustang due to its supercharger, at a whopping $3.19 a gallon now (Albeit better than $4.75 like last summer). Our regular grade 87 octane out here, at the cheapo cash only station, is $2.89.

Wow how do you know all this??? My entire family thinks it's best to use the 93, unless you drive a regular car (Toyota or Honda) than you should still use the 89. Everyone thinks the 87 is really bad for your car. I guess I learn something new today.
 
Wow how do you know all this??? My entire family thinks it's best to use the 93, unless you drive a regular car (Toyota or Honda) than you should still use the 89. Everyone thinks the 87 is really bad for your car. I guess I learn something new today.

I'm a gearhead... My first car was a 1968 inline-6 cylinder Mustang and over the years it was my project car with my dad. The deal was, he'd buy all the parts to modify it, but I had to do ALL the work. We even did a V8 swap, which entailed changing almost the entire undercarriage and drivetrain. Then I raced it casually on Wednesday and Saturday night grudge/run what ya brung nights, and hung out with old-fashioned racer types.

Just picked up a lot of stuff. Octane rating is one of the most confusing things about cars. Almost everyone wastes their money,if they have it to burn, on getting higher rating octane and actually are not doing their cars any favors. So, if you can somehow convince your family to stop wasting money (It's literally not ANY better, like 0% better... it's a total and complete waste, and few things in life are 100% worthless) do so, and then take that change and like I said, put it into synthetic motor oil + a very good filter, like a Mobil 1. That's premium stuff that actually makes a difference for your motor.
 
o0o okay well you really sound like you know what you are talking about! I try to learn as much as I can so that I don't screw up my car by being uniformed. I drive an acura tl and the manual always said to put only premium fuel, but everyone always says I am being paranoid because it's not a race car or anything special!
(and yes it does look like its choking... these things always look strange! lol:laugh:)
 
o0o okay well you really sound like you know what you are talking about! I try to learn as much as I can so that I don't screw up my car by being uniformed. I drive an acura tl and the manual always said to put only premium fuel, but everyone always says I am being paranoid because it's not a race car or anything special!
(and yes it does look like its choking... these things always look strange! lol:laugh:)


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o0o okay well you really sound like you know what you are talking about! I try to learn as much as I can so that I don't screw up my car by being uniformed. I drive an acura tl and the manual always said to put only premium fuel, but everyone always says I am being paranoid because it's not a race car or anything special!
(and yes it does look like its choking... these things always look strange! lol:laugh:)

If your owner's manual says it requires premium fuel, use it! I wasn't trying to say that you should defy what your engine needs at all. If they deem it necessary to run premium, slow burning fuel in it, then do so.

I thought you were putting high test into a 1990 Honda Civic LX or something of that nature, by the way you made it sound. The owner's manual is the best place to find out what kind of gasoline you should use.

That said, if you DO put mid grade into it and it does not knock/ping, then you can get away with that ~15 cents savings. But, I always go w/ the mfr. If the mfr. says 87, use 87. If it says premium, use premium. Always.

I didn't mean to confuse you. A LOT of people, my wife included, have cars that only NEED 87, but yet used 91 thinking "expensive is better". I just wanted to say that's not the case.
 
When gas was really expensive I used to buy mid grade and I swore that it did not run the same, but I thought it was just in my head. I'm sure it's quite obvious that I am a chronic worrier and over-reactor lol
 
Eyes on the prize.

I'll never be caught dead in a Camry.

What is wrong with a Camry??? They are the best cars and very good price too! Obviously everyone would rather drive a Benz, but Camrys are great cars too! The most dependable and the best priced! 😉 (so are Hondas and Nissians)
 
What is wrong with a Camry??? They are the best cars and very good price too! Obviously everyone would rather drive a Benz, but Camrys are great cars too! The most dependable and the best priced! 😉 (so are Hondas and Nissians)

They're ugly and slow... Two things I can't tolerate in my car.

Four doors, too. Blech.
 
They're ugly and slow... Two things I can't tolerate in my car.

Four doors, too. Blech.

Hey now a Mercedez have four doors and they are the hottest cars! 😛
 
Hey now a Mercedez have four doors and they are the hottest cars! 😛

Some of them, I guess. I'll never own a four door car. Ever.

The CL55 AMG I saw a few days ago, and it was snazzy. But, it's neither slow nor ugly... Of course, MB aren't economy cars, right? What's a C-Class bargain basement run nowadays, high 30s?

Most economy cars are:

[ ] Slow
[ ] Ugly
[ ] Four Doors

Choose two.
 
Some of them, I guess. I'll never own a four door car. Ever.

The CL55 AMG I saw a few days ago, and it was snazzy. But, it's neither slow nor ugly... Of course, MB aren't economy cars, right? What's a C-Class bargain basement run nowadays, high 30s?

Most economy cars are:

[ ] Slow
[ ] Ugly
[ ] Four Doors

Choose two.
I thought this too until I had my son and I sadly had to give up my Bimmer for a family dependable 4 DOOR Honda... Your priorities change then....HOWEVER...my son is old enough how and not in a car seat anymore and I just got my new 3 series coupe! Never say never. It would have been hard in a 2 door with a car seat, but I will admit I did miss my Bimmer. Hondas are fine, but Germans make the best cars!🙂
 
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2 doors are awesome because lots of people can't fit in your car and beg you to give them a ride haha. I need to have a large(r) car because I practically live in it, but I hated it when I was in undergrad. because not many people had their cars on campus so I ended up putting about 20,000 miles a year on that thing. Then it got flooded up to the windshield in a hurricane and I had to get a new one anyway. Unfortunately the insurance companies no longer cover your drowned car if there is a mandatory evacuation in effect. 👎
 
I thought this too until I had my son and I sadly had to give up my Bimmer for a family dependable 4 DOOR Honda... Your prioritys change then....HOWEVER...my son is old enough how and not in a car seat anymore and I just got my new 3 series coupe! Never say never. It would have been hard in a 2 door with a car seat, but I will admit I did miss my Bimmer. Hondas are fine, but Germans make the best cars!🙂

Children aren't in my future, ever, besides adoption I guess, but it'd take a lot of cognitive decision for that to happen and I'm just not interested... So, with that out of the way, I can safely say that a 4-door car will not be titled in my name for the remainder of my existence on this planet.

I agree, Hondas are decent cars. The S2000 revs like a champ and is pretty fun in corners, especially for the money. The Lotus cars use Toyota motors. Excellent work, Japanese do. But it's all too high-spun, ADHD action. Rev to 9000 RPM before anything happens. Even the damn GT-R doesn't make piss for torque until its needle sweeps past 6k. Just personal preference, that's all car stuff is. It's impossible to say that it's "better" one way or another. I'm not trying to tell anyone their car sucks or whatever. Just that I think X and Y, here's the reasoning, and I'm perfectly open to hearing both sides.

Germans make fantastic cars, but I find the repairs to be tedious and in that, expensive to have professionally done. I remember when I was working at Kragen, an auto parts store here in CA, similar to Pep Boys or O'Reilleys (I think O'Reilleys actually bought Kragen recently, or the other way around) for other parts of the country. An alternator for a Ford or Chevy would run about 89 bucks for the reman. unit. Same model year Porsche 911 wouldn't have a reman. option, just a new one, for 249 bucks. Yeah, if you can own a Porsche, you can afford the repairs, right? I guess, but I enjoy working on my car myself. Open a Porsche's hatch and what do you have? A shell of polymer and aluminum. It takes a special tool set just to get the damn shell off. Not so with my 3 valve V8. Pop the hood and I can do damn near any routine maintenance myself, with not much more than my 101 piece Snap-On toolset, hex keys, and one Torx bit.

You could always get the 5-Series which is a 4-door, right? I refuse to have my life dictated by something that I bring into the world. If I had a kid, it'd live by my rules, not the other way around. Like my dog. My cute little Labrador Retriever. He lives by my (and my wife's) rules. He doesn't need special schooling, and he's just as comforting if I've had a hard day as my sister's absolutely precious (heavy sarcasm) 6 year-old son. No. Thank. You.

2 doors are awesome because lots of people can't fit in your car and beg you to give them a ride haha.
I definitely took full advantage of that in the military. Unit lunches in garrison, every Friday... Everyone would try to pile into someone else's car to avoid gas money or whatever. I shrugged and said, "only one in my car" and it cut down on how many people I ended up having to ferry around. I hate being a chauffeur. I mean, who actually likes it? Some people, I s'pose...
 
2 doors are awesome because lots of people can't fit in your car and beg you to give them a ride haha. I need to have a large(r) car because I practically live in it, but I hated it when I was in undergrad. because not many people had their cars on campus so I ended up putting about 20,000 miles a year on that thing. Then it got flooded up to the windshield in a hurricane and I had to get a new one anyway. Unfortunately the insurance companies no longer cover your drowned car if there is a mandatory evacuation in effect. 👎

Or you can learn how to say NO. I only let people I actually know ride in my car. 😎
 
Some of them, I guess. I'll never own a four door car. Ever.

The CL55 AMG I saw a few days ago, and it was snazzy. But, it's neither slow nor ugly... Of course, MB aren't economy cars, right? What's a C-Class bargain basement run nowadays, high 30s?

Most economy cars are:

[ ] Slow
[ ] Ugly
[ ] Four Doors

Choose two.

Yeah, they aren't economy cars...Mercedes Benz S600 better than any two door car EVER! 😛 Its THE HOTTEST car. 😉
 
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Yeah, they aren't economy cars...Mercedez Benz S600 better than any two door car! 😛

I disagree, since four doors for me is wholly useless, and always will be. A two door AMG would work just as well and would be even faster, without having to heave the bulk that the longer wheelbase and two more doors creates. 😉

As far as a hot car, c'mon, you're passing up Italian exotics in favor of a four door cruiser? No Lamborghini Gallardo LPE-465? No Ferrari F430?

The MB is refined, elegant, stylish. But HOT? Nooo way. HOT is an adjective reserved for Italian super beasts. =]
 
Yeah I sometimes had to disappoint a few people when I wouldn't give them rides... It's only hard when they are your roommates asking and they each drive a celica, 3 series coupe, and a toyota echo. lol Needless to say I was sober a lot on the weekends. DUI's do NOT look good on pharmacy applications! = )

You're right about the Honda motors... they sound like little skeeters buzzing (I guess because they rev up so high?). My mom drives an accord 4 cylinder (but hey she is 54 and lives on a 2 x 4 mile island haha) The Japanese cars hold up well for the price, but the only downside is that everyone knows it so everyone and their grandmother drives an accord/camry/maxima/etc. It's a good thing if you want to look inconspicuous though! Not good if you like HP or not get sick of looking at that thing after 3 months. lol
 
Okay well in that case lets just go all out and aim for the Bugatti Veyron!!! Or if you're into the Benz why don't you just go for the SLR McLaren? 😀

Joking of course.
 
Nah man, if you only want money you should go into dentistry. Thats about all its good for...LOL...

Anyhow I just think of it this way....The loans will last only ten years...so I will only have to live like a pauper for ten years...after that I can finally have a good life. It just sucks that I can't have a good life when I am in my twenties...🙄 I have to wait till I am in my thirties (old). 🙁

And what exactly is pharmacy good for? Counting pills? Really? When I'm a practicing doctor, I'll be sure to write my prescriptions in morse code to make your lives at least somewhat interesting. :laugh:
 
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