Pharmacy Doom and Gloom

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Well I've wanted to become a pharmacist for quite a while now and now the profession seems to have a unpromising future. I've read that with all the pharmacy school openings, the laws of supply and demand will cause alot of competition, making finding a job as a pharmacist similar to finding a job with a law degree.

Not only that, socialized medicine may substantially drop the salary of pharmacists.

Are these things true??? I'm not into pharmacy for the money but I want to make sure it's worth going into eight years of debt.

I really hope someone can make my doubts go away about becoming a pharmacist. 🙂
 
First of all it's not 8 years of debt, Pharmacy is usually a 2+4 program and some universities will carry over your financial aid and scholarships through your first two years of Pharmacy school, but it really depends on where you go.

I'm not sure about what socialized medicine would do to Pharmacy Salaries, but Pharmacy jobs opportunities are still increasing. Here's the link to the FAQ sheet found in the Pre-Pharmacy Forum:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=198059

There are links to salary summaries and job growth on that page...
 
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I thought there was 2 years or interning or something afterwards. Shows how much I know. 😕
 
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Originally Posted by ACCP
In 1986, representatives from seven national pharmacy organizations met to discuss the need for common definitions and use of the terms "residency" and "fellowship" because considerable potential existed for program applicants to be misinformed regarding program purposes and content. The definitions and interpretations that follow resulted from that conference.

RESIDENCY

Definition: A pharmacy residency is an organized, directed, postgraduate training program in a defined area of pharmacy practice.

Interpretation: Residencies exist primarily to train pharmacists in professional practice and management activities. Residencies provide experience in integrating pharmacy services with the comprehensive needs of individual practice settings and provide in-depth experiences leading to advanced practice skills and knowledge. Residencies foster an ability to conceptualize new and improved pharmacy services. Within a given residency program, there is considerable consistency in content for each resident. In addition, accreditation standards and program guidelines produced by national pharmacy associations provide considerable program content detail and foster consistency among programs.

A residency is typically 12 months or longer in duration, and the resident's practice experiences are closely directed and evaluated by a qualified practitioner-preceptor. A residency may occur at any career point following an entry-level degree in pharmacy. Individuals planning practice-oriented careers are encouraged to complete all formal academic education before entry into a residency.


 
Then it goes on to say that the salary for pharmacy residencies is normally from 30-45k, so it's a lot less money than "fellowship" but you'll still be making money instead of going into more debt.

EDIT: I found all of this in the Pharmacy FAQs by the way.
 
I really hope someone can make my doubts go away about becoming a pharmacist. 🙂
You might not want to ever go to the Pharmacy forum then. It's serious doom and gloom over there... :meanie:

And you don't have to do a residency or fellowship for retail.
 
Well I've wanted to become a pharmacist for quite a while now and now the profession seems to have a unpromising future. I've read that with all the pharmacy school openings, the laws of supply and demand will cause alot of competition, making finding a job as a pharmacist similar to finding a job with a law degree.

Not only that, socialized medicine may substantially drop the salary of pharmacists.

Are these things true??? I'm not into pharmacy for the money but I want to make sure it's worth going into eight years of debt.

I really hope someone can make my doubts go away about becoming a pharmacist. 🙂

Who knows what will happen in the future. I am from a country with universal health and it's nothing bad at all. Specialists are always available to see without a long waiting line.

Nothing is really guaranteed in any profession. That's why people tell you to choose a career you truly like.

Good luck to your bright future.
 
Well I've wanted to become a pharmacist for quite a while now and now the profession seems to have a unpromising future. I've read that with all the pharmacy school openings, the laws of supply and demand will cause alot of competition, making finding a job as a pharmacist similar to finding a job with a law degree.

Not only that, socialized medicine may substantially drop the salary of pharmacists.

Are these things true??? I'm not into pharmacy for the money but I want to make sure it's worth going into eight years of debt.

I really hope someone can make my doubts go away about becoming a pharmacist. 🙂

The doom and gloom is mostly due to large amount of schools opening in the last few years which is not limited to pharmacy but also other fields. However if you intern at a pharmacy in retail or hospital, chances are good that you will have a job when you come out. That cannot be said about law...

In terms of salary dropping due to socialized pharmacy, that is not true. Socialized pharmacy will lead to more prescriptions for us in addition to increased management roles for pharmacists. At the same time, our reembursements are already at an all time low meaning it is impossible for them to cut it even more. You really cant get lower than 90 days supply of most medications for 10 dollars at any chain pharmacy.

With that said, a pharmacist salary also comes from the front store which gives us a buffers unlike other health professionals. While hospitals are on hiring freezes due to the economy and a new president being in office, profits at retail stores have never been higher. CVS went from rank 24 to 16 in Fortune top 500 companies. If my district alone was a company, we would beat out companies like Visa, Hasbro, etc. Guess where other pharmacies rank... Walmart is 2nd, Cardinal is 18th, United is 21st, Kroger is 22nd, Costco is 24th, Walgreen is 36th, etc. You as a pharmacist will be the MAIN employee of these companies if not part of a really crucial team. Besides a few, you are responsible for bringing in almost 65-95 percent of the companies revenue. You are equivalent to lawyers in law firms, investment bankers in banks, etc.

Even for hospitals, remember that as a pharmacist, you are there to save money. When you catch an interaction no matter how little it is, you are preventing the physician and the hospital from being sued millions. By optimizing pharmcotherapy (regardless of how bs it is...), you are saving drug costs, reducing bedtime of patients, fighting against superbugs, etc.

Hence chances of you coming out with a job is pretty good provided you study hard, intern at a chain and hospital, and be a hard worker.
 
First of all it's not 8 years of debt, Pharmacy is usually a 2+4 program and some universities will carry over your financial aid and scholarships through your first two years of Pharmacy school, but it really depends on where you go.

I'm not sure about what socialized medicine would do to Pharmacy Salaries, but Pharmacy jobs opportunities are still increasing. Here's the link to the FAQ sheet found in the Pre-Pharmacy Forum:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=198059

There are links to salary summaries and job growth on that page...

While some individuals do gain admission after 2yrs of undergrad. work, the majority of applicants now have prior degrees. I graduated in 2007 and >70%of my class has prior degrees (bachlors/masters). I do know that percentage was set to increase in future classes. Moral of story, if you want to be competitive you will most likely have to get a undergrad degree and accumulate 8yrs of debt like myself. Again, this is not to say you can't do it the traditional 2 + 6 route. GL
 
While some individuals do gain admission after 2yrs of undergrad. work, the majority of applicants now have prior degrees. I graduated in 2007 and >70%of my class has prior degrees (bachlors/masters). I do know that percentage was set to increase in future classes. Moral of story, if you want to be competitive you will most likely have to get a undergrad degree and accumulate 8yrs of debt like myself. Again, this is not to say you can't do it the traditional 2 + 6 route. GL

I'm decently sure he meant 2+4 route.

Back to the topic: I wouldn't be surprised to see more schools requiring a bachelor's degree in the near future. Bachelor's holders do a decent amount better than non-bachelor's holders, on average in my class. (A non scientific study conducted by yours truly. :laugh: )

The job outlook for pharmacy is not where it once was, but I for one am not spending my time worrying about getting a job after graduation. What I've found a lot over in the pharmacy forum is people complaining because they can't get a job in the big cities. These people don't want to move, citing personal reasons, family, etc...but it is their own fault if they do not move to where the jobs are.

If I were in your position, I would be cautiously optimistic. After all, you will be in debt after graduating from at minimum 6 years of school.