Pharmacy Intern working as a Tech

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I'm currently working for Walmart Pharmacy as a pharmacy tech although I submitted my intern license to them at the beginning of September and nine weeks later I'm still working as a tech. The one pharmacist I work with said he thinks it's against the law to be a registered intern, but working as a tech. Does anyone know if this is true for Ohio? Has anyone else had this experience where it took your employer forever to convert you over to an intern?

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Screw that.. Get a job offer from a different outfit, then put your two weeks in at Walmart. Let them know that you are willing to stay for a better wage/job title. Then when they offer you an intern wage, negotiate for another dollar/hour and let them know that you also would like backpay for the hours you worked as a technician when your job code should have been an intern.

This would all be very easy to accomplish. Interns/technicians are in a much stronger position to negotiate with Walmart than pharmacists are.
 
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there is no difference between intern work and tech work, just a title
 
there is no difference between intern work and tech work, just a title

Off the top of my head, interns can administer vaccines, counsel, do transfers, transcribe voicemails, call prescribers, mix antibiotics, handle CIIs and do the CII count. The Rph:tech ratio is higher with interns and they do not affect tech hours. Interns are way more valuable than techs. Plus they get paid more, so OP is getting screwed.
 
LOL no Walmart DM would give two ****s about some intern trying to negotiate a better position. Take it or leave it

Only thing interns might be good at are doing immunizations and sopping up consultation and they don't count toward the specific store's P&L. Interns cannot sign off on CSOS or do any CII-related inventory tasks anyway
 
I'm currently working for Walmart Pharmacy as a pharmacy tech although I submitted my intern license to them at the beginning of September and nine weeks later I'm still working as a tech. The one pharmacist I work with said he thinks it's against the law to be a registered intern, but working as a tech. Does anyone know if this is true for Ohio? Has anyone else had this experience where it took your employer forever to convert you over to an intern?

Thanks!

Did you follow-up and voice your concern or were you just passive and kept quiet? I'd refrain from doing any intern work and just do the bare minimum tech work until they get that sorted out. Your PIC will learn that it'll be worth the effort to expedite the process since interns can save them a lot of work/time.
 
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I'm currently working for Walmart Pharmacy as a pharmacy tech although I submitted my intern license to them at the beginning of September and nine weeks later I'm still working as a tech. The one pharmacist I work with said he thinks it's against the law to be a registered intern, but working as a tech. Does anyone know if this is true for Ohio? Has anyone else had this experience where it took your employer forever to convert you over to an intern?

Thanks!

At least your job has not been outsourced.. I think they can find ways to outsource it.
 
A while ago we got an email saying for current techs who are planning on pharmacy school, they won't be granted an internship anymore. They weren't going to demote any current interns, but moving forward they wouldn't be offering student internships anymore due to the job market. I think the email said they could still work as techs though.
 
Do they just make this stuff up based on the MHWD's whim?
 
Here, the board doesn't care what your job title is. If you are a pharmacy student, you are an Intern (we don't have intern licenses). If you aren't a pharmacy student you must be licensed as a Tech. They don't really care if your job calls you a Tech.
 
If you are not licensed as a pharmacy tech in Ohio, it is illegal. It’s even illegal for a pharmacist to work as a tech in Ohio even if they possess a OH pharmacist license but not a tech one. That Board is both literal and punitive.

How would the board know this? A pharmacist can do anything a tech can do, and an intern can do anything a tech can do. Is the board going to demand employment records to see how someone was actually coded in the pharmacy?
 
How would the board know this? A pharmacist can do anything a tech can do, and an intern can do anything a tech can do. Is the board going to demand employment records to see how someone was actually coded in the pharmacy?

Actually, yes, but it has an older history than that. Ohio and some of the other states in the Midwest (including IL, WI, and MN) have stricter role definitions in their statutes and reservations due to a long-departed company named Revco. So, the Revco staffing model was that the pharmacist was also the store manager, but did not necessarily work behind the counter in the pharmacy. S/he was expected to be out of the floor doing stuff, and the techs or cashiers would be the only people behind the counter and did everything including what we would term verification today. The pharmacist would only come back to do OBRA 90 stuff, but before OBRA 90, patients never interacted with the manager behind the counter unless it was a store busy enough to have a second staff pharmacist (who was behind the counter like what we would expect today) as they were usually somewhere out on the floor. By the way, if you were the second staff pharmacist, you only made 3/4's of what the "pharmacist" made in Revco as the "assistant pharmacist" or even "Senior Pharmacy Technician" if the manager was especially cheap. On one hand, s/he could get away with underpaying actual pharmacist labor. On the other, if they screwed up, their license would be in jeopardy as well.

Most of those states, including AZ, adopted much stricter policy stating that at least one pharmacist had to be within sight of the pharmacy when open at all times, defined roles for who could be and who could not be behind the counter, and actually went so far as to demand that the licensed personnel submit where they worked to be checked against the employment records to make sure that whoever was behind the counter was actually in charge of the dispensing (something that was not the case with the Revco staff model).

That is actually the reason behind MN BoPs and ILFPR's requirement that you declare where you work as a primary matter, whether you float, and if you float regularly, where you do. It's because companies like Revco and Thrifty White heavily abused the system in ways that made labor enforcement impossible. One of the underlying reasons for the IL union was over abolishing undergrading of pharmacist labor.

On top of that, OH is a punitive kind of state. There's nothing preventing whether this person is paid for it (assistant pharmacists were paid at the same rate as senior techs back then and it was not illegal then or now), but the responsibility differential requires that they have the right license even if your logical argument (which I agree with) because of what their authority limits are. If they want to code him/her as a pharmacist intern but pay below a tech (or work for free for hours like the old days), that is the company and employee's prerogative. But it is not good for the company or the regulatory enforcement if a person is not licensed for the job they do, despite holding a more authoritative one as it is unclear what scope they work as.
 
You do you bro. Job market is tight. It's better to work in the environment for low pay then not. The board has created a model system to protect the public and companies and screw professionals who just want to work. Do not do any intern duties....regardless of the "itch" to want to counsel and etc...you are by law will be held accountable if you get caught but if you do...go to the media let the public out cry show face of our situation. BOP protects companies not pharmacists...someone needs to be blame and they prey on the little guy! Companies always need techs, getting position as intern and RPh now is way harder. Work to get an intern position in a hospital if you can. While you are as a tech now. By law the PIC is held accountable towards activities in the pharmacy, you putting there license on the line as well fyi.

They might be stalling to replace you for another tech.

By law you had x amount of days to report your status to the report...the BOP review with management to sync your position and put pressure towards managment to change your status. But employment laws very state and allows companies to let you go for no specific reason.
 
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A while ago we got an email saying for current techs who are planning on pharmacy school, they won't be granted an internship anymore. They weren't going to demote any current interns, but moving forward they wouldn't be offering student internships anymore due to the job market. I think the email said they could still work as techs though.
At one point, Walmart stop taking interns a few years back. I'm guessing its because of the market.
 
Actually, yes, but it has an older history than that. Ohio and some of the other states in the Midwest (including IL, WI, and MN) have stricter role definitions in their statutes and reservations due to a long-departed company named Revco. So, the Revco staffing model was that the pharmacist was also the store manager, but did not necessarily work behind the counter in the pharmacy. S/he was expected to be out of the floor doing stuff, and the techs or cashiers would be the only people behind the counter and did everything including what we would term verification today. The pharmacist would only come back to do OBRA 90 stuff, but before OBRA 90, patients never interacted with the manager behind the counter unless it was a store busy enough to have a second staff pharmacist (who was behind the counter like what we would expect today) as they were usually somewhere out on the floor. By the way, if you were the second staff pharmacist, you only made 3/4's of what the "pharmacist" made in Revco as the "assistant pharmacist" or even "Senior Pharmacy Technician" if the manager was especially cheap. On one hand, s/he could get away with underpaying actual pharmacist labor. On the other, if they screwed up, their license would be in jeopardy as well.

Most of those states, including AZ, adopted much stricter policy stating that at least one pharmacist had to be within sight of the pharmacy when open at all times, defined roles for who could be and who could not be behind the counter, and actually went so far as to demand that the licensed personnel submit where they worked to be checked against the employment records to make sure that whoever was behind the counter was actually in charge of the dispensing (something that was not the case with the Revco staff model).

That is actually the reason behind MN BoPs and ILFPR's requirement that you declare where you work as a primary matter, whether you float, and if you float regularly, where you do. It's because companies like Revco and Thrifty White heavily abused the system in ways that made labor enforcement impossible. One of the underlying reasons for the IL union was over abolishing undergrading of pharmacist labor.

On top of that, OH is a punitive kind of state. There's nothing preventing whether this person is paid for it (assistant pharmacists were paid at the same rate as senior techs back then and it was not illegal then or now), but the responsibility differential requires that they have the right license even if your logical argument (which I agree with) because of what their authority limits are. If they want to code him/her as a pharmacist intern but pay below a tech (or work for free for hours like the old days), that is the company and employee's prerogative. But it is not good for the company or the regulatory enforcement if a person is not licensed for the job they do, despite holding a more authoritative one as it is unclear what scope they work as.


Interesting history! I never knew all that, especially about Revco. As a student, I worked for a pharmacy that got bought out by Revco, but I was gone by the time of the actual acquisition. I
 
Interesting history! I never knew all that, especially about Revco. As a student, I worked for a pharmacy that got bought out by Revco, but I was gone by the time of the actual acquisition. I

You are lucky to have missed Revco as an employer. The two absolute worst employers in the business were Revco under Dworkin (who I have a specific story about which is completely politically incorrect but describes quite accurately the fall of the company starting with child killing vitamins) and pre-Mary Sammons Rite-Aid which deservedly was in bankruptcy after corporate steals.


The fate of Revco is actually in Walgreen's horizon. I don't have a problem at all with Walgreen's business model as I didn't with Revco's, but in cases of LBO's, what the company actually does is irrelevant compared to loading the entity with debt.


The story about Revco's fall mirror Walgreens in terms of trusting the wrong bank, but it started with greed. Revco trusted Solomon, Walgreens trusted KKR. Revco made history as the first blown up LBO, it took down Solomon with it as the same management defrauded the federal government on taxes related to the LBO and on Treasury purchases to float the buy. If there really is an evil monster in pharmacy, no one living has nothing on Sid Dworkin. May Dworkin burn in Abaddon, Shachat, or wherever his version of Hell takes him for killing those kids then the company for his own selfish profit.
 
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