pharmacy lawyer

[snooz3]

ok.. so i'm interested in this field and i've been trying to research this for a very long time but i haven't gotten anything out of the world wide web. i guess this field is not that popular so there hasn't been much written on it.

my main question is this. is it worth it? pharmacists make a lil over 100k around here. does anybody know how much a pharmacy/lawyer can make? and no, i'm not only going into this for the money. i've always been interested in law but never liked the selling your soul part of it so i pursued medicine so that i could help people instead.

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[jasonbourne]

ok.. so i'm interested in this field and i've been trying to research this for a very long time but i haven't gotten anything out of the world wide web. i guess this field is not that popular so there hasn't been much written on it.

my main question is this. is it worth it? pharmacists make a lil over 100k around here. does anybody know how much a pharmacy/lawyer can make? and no, i'm not only going into this for the money. i've always been interested in law but never liked the selling your soul part of it so i pursued medicine so that i could help people instead.

You can look into Patent law. You would start at about $160000 a year. Most people earn between $180000 and $300000. In the pharmaceutical Industry, they need a lot of patent Lawyers. The requirements are that you must be a licensed pharmacist and also obtain a JD and take the Bar exam to become a Lawyer. When you obtain both. You are in charge of filing all paperwork necessary in court and registering the newly discovered medication with the government. This prevents people from copying your product. For the next 15 years, all the rights of production belong to you alone. It is a field that few people know about but it is extremely Lucrative. Read about patent law online.

 

[Passion4Sci]

Also might want to remember that in order to be anything other than an ambulance chaser working at Jacoby and Meyers, you'll pretty much need to attend a Tier 1 law school... And to start @ $160,000 you'll need a top 15 or top 20 school for damn sure.

 

[jasonbourne]

Also might want to remember that in order to be anything other than an ambulance chaser working at Jacoby and Meyers, you'll pretty much need to attend a Tier 1 law school... And to start @ $160,000 you'll need a top 15 or top 20 school for damn sure.

Totally Agree.
Harvard & Yale law schools would land you a big time paycheck immediately after Graduation.
My Aunt wanted me to do Patent Law but I denied. She is a registered pharmacist practicing in San Diego. She is also thinking of going back to get a law degree. She's been practicing for 10 years now. She wants to go either to Harvard, Yale, or Columbia so that she is assured of a Job opportunity at Graduation.

 

[Passion4Sci]

USC, UCLA, Stanford, Boston College, Duke and many others would be fine for her too =p

 

[SHC1984]

How much a lawyer makes is ALL based on LUCK and LUCK only. Yes, you have to go to a TOP law school and even if you graduated from Harvard it doesn't guarntee anything. For example, I am sure most Harvard graduates did NOT make anything near what OJ Simpson's lawyer did.

A law degree is pretty much the same as an MBA degree. If you are lucky you will make it big...if not than you are SOL. 🙁

 

[Passion4Sci]

How much a lawyer makes is ALL based on LUCK and LUCK only. Yes, you have to go to a TOP law school and even if you graduated from Harvard it doesn't guarntee anything. For example, I am sure most Harvard graduates did NOT make anything near what OJ Simpson's lawyer did.

A law degree is pretty much the same as an MBA degree. If you are lucky you will make it big...if not than you are SOL. 🙁

So your idea of "making it big" is being Barry Sheck?

 

[AStudentDoctor]

How much a lawyer makes is ALL based on LUCK and LUCK only. Yes, you have to go to a TOP law school and even if you graduated from Harvard it doesn't guarntee anything. For example, I am sure most Harvard graduates did NOT make anything near what OJ Simpson's lawyer did.

A law degree is pretty much the same as an MBA degree. If you are lucky you will make it big...if not than you are SOL. 🙁

i agree, also would like to add that my father is a lawyer and if i wanted to inherit his business i could probably make 250k+ or more yearly.

but, i am not so fond of living in an even smaller town than the one i am currently in, so that just really wont be happening. oh and i like pharmacy too.

 

[SHC1984]

So your idea of "making it big" is being Barry Sheck?

heck yeah, he makes more money than most lawyers combined.

 

[SHC1984]

i agree, also would like to add that my father is a lawyer and if i wanted to inherit his business i could probably make 250k+ or more yearly.

but, i am not so fond of living in an even smaller town than the one i am currently in, so that just really wont be happening. oh and i like pharmacy too.

If you are lucky enough to be in that situation then go for it! What I am saying is that its crazy for people to go into law school expecting 250K+ b/c unless they are very verrry lucky (like YOU) they will not make anything.

 

[Winter Lily]

You can look into Patent law. You would start at about $160000 a year. Most people earn between $180000 and $300000. In the pharmaceutical Industry, they need a lot of patent Lawyers. The requirements are that you must be a licensed pharmacist and also obtain a JD and take the Bar exam to become a Lawyer. When you obtain both. You are in charge of filing all paperwork necessary in court and registering the newly discovered medication with the government. This prevents people from copying your product. For the next 15 years, all the rights of production belong to you alone. It is a field that few people know about but it is extremely Lucrative. Read about patent law online.

Yes and no. You only start at $160,000 if you graduate from the T14 and start at a V100 firm in certain cities. (The exception is Georgetown if you're in the random 50% who are below the curve after your first year -- and then you'll be lucky if you make $50,000 a year as a public defender. Those who qualify to sit for the patent bar have it a little better, but not much.) The base pay is standard for all attorneys; patent attorneys aren't treated any differently than health regulatory lawyers or reinsurance litigation specialists. There are some differences in firms with bonuses, but the bonuses are standard within the firms.

Also, when the economy tanks, patent lawyers -- particularly patent lawyers specializing in the life sciences -- are usually the first to go.

But the real downside with law school is that effort, work ethic, and intelligence have absolutely no correlation to grades. So it really is a gamble in the truest sense of the word.

 

[Passion4Sci]

But the real downside with law school is that effort, work ethic, and intelligence have absolutely no correlation to grades. So it really is a gamble in the truest sense of the word.

you seem like you know what you're talking about, so would you mind elaborating on this a little?

I don't understand how someone with a dedicated work ethic, who lives the school life and who is, by all standard measures, extremely intelligent can perform poorly in law school.

Would you say, then, that not even the LSAT is a proper predictor for law school grades?

 

[koercive]

we had a orientation session at usc, and pharmd/jd was an option. i wonder how many students in the US pursue these both degrees.

 

[Winter Lily]

you seem like you know what you're talking about, so would you mind elaborating on this a little?

PM'd.

I don't understand how someone with a dedicated work ethic, who lives the school life and who is, by all standard measures, extremely intelligent can perform poorly in law school.

Because law school is a three year hazing ritual: it's not about teaching you what you need to know to practice law. That's why you absolutely need to take BAR/BRI in order to pass the Bar exam.

Why does effort and intelligence have nothing to do with grades? The lectures have nothing to do with exams, there are no real answer keys, and professors refuse to give students feedback on practice exams. Even students who know this going in, and practice exams from day one aren't guaranteed to do well because professors absolutely refuse to give students meaningful feedback. If you can't get meaningful feedback and the information you get in class has nothing to do with what you're tested on, you can't improve.

If med schools trained students this way, we'd kill patients so quickly and so consistently that acupuncture would be everyone's first-choice medical treatment. Even ours.

Would you say, then, that not even the LSAT is a proper predictor for law school grades?

It's a well-established statistical fact that the LSAT is an abysmal predictor of law school grades. In fact, every law school admissions officer in the country admits it. LSAT and GPA is slightly better, but even that's dreadful. The only thing the LSAT reflects is a student's socio-economic status and ability to study for standardized exams.

 

[SHC1984]

Yes and no. You only start at $160,000 if you graduate from the T14 and start at a V100 firm in certain cities. (The exception is Georgetown if you're in the random 50% who are below the curve after your first year -- and then you'll be lucky if you make $50,000 a year as a public defender. Those who qualify to sit for the patent bar have it a little better, but not much.) The base pay is standard for all attorneys; patent attorneys aren't treated any differently than health regulatory lawyers or reinsurance litigation specialists. There are some differences in firms with bonuses, but the bonuses are standard within the firms.

Also, when the economy tanks, patent lawyers -- particularly patent lawyers specializing in the life sciences -- are usually the first to go.

But the real downside with law school is that effort, work ethic, and intelligence have absolutely no correlation to grades. So it really is a gamble in the truest sense of the word.

R you a law student? or were a law student? How do you know all this? Just curious! 😀

PS I love your pic.

 

[Winter Lily]

R you a law student? or were a law student? How do you know all this? Just curious! 😀

PS I love your pic.

PM'd.

Also, I love meeting random Veronica Mars fans. Totally makes my night! 😀

 

[SHC1984]

PM'd.

Also, I love meeting random Veronica Mars fans. Totally makes my night! 😀

😍

 

[jasonbourne]

Yes and no. You only start at $160,000 if you graduate from the T14 and start at a V100 firm in certain cities. (The exception is Georgetown if you're in the random 50% who are below the curve after your first year -- and then you'll be lucky if you make $50,000 a year as a public defender. Those who qualify to sit for the patent bar have it a little better, but not much.) The base pay is standard for all attorneys; patent attorneys aren't treated any differently than health regulatory lawyers or reinsurance litigation specialists. There are some differences in firms with bonuses, but the bonuses are standard within the firms.

Also, when the economy tanks, patent lawyers -- particularly patent lawyers specializing in the life sciences -- are usually the first to go.

But the real downside with law school is that effort, work ethic, and intelligence have absolutely no correlation to grades. So it really is a gamble in the truest sense of the word.

You got it right for the most part. However, I disagree with you on the patent attorney pay in the pharmaceutical Industry. The OP wanted to know what he can make with a combined PharmD/JD. I told the OP that they can work as patent lawyers for the pharmaceutical industry. In the pharmaceutical industry, you can start out at $160000 if you are a patent lawyer. Again there are two requirements only. Obtain a PharmD/JD. If the OP becomes a government paid attorney or something else, then you are perfectly correct. However, I highly disagree on the pay for those who defend the newly discovered medication in the pharmaceutical industry. These guys are highly paid because the company may get a barrage of lawsuits from their product.

 

[Winter Lily]

You got it right for the most part. However, I disagree with you on the patent attorney pay in the pharmaceutical Industry. The OP wanted to know what he can make with a combined PharmD/JD. I told the OP that they can work as patent lawyers for the pharmaceutical industry. In the pharmaceutical industry, you can start out at $160000 if you are a patent lawyer. Again there are two requirements only. Obtain a PharmD/JD. If the OP becomes a government paid attorney or something else, then you are perfectly correct. However, I highly disagree on the pay for those who defend the newly discovered medication in the pharmaceutical industry. These guys are highly paid because the company may get a barrage of lawsuits from their product.

Government IP attorneys don't make anywhere near 160k -- even with a PharmD. When my friends were first hired by the patent office two years ago, they were only paid 80k, even with doctorates. The attorneys who work for the government are the ones who can't get hired by a V100 firm because they didn't go to a T14. (Legal hiring is also a really ridiculous process.) Granted, you get promotions faster than in the private industry, but still.

Second, patent prosecution =/= patent litigation =/= product liability. It sounds like you're referring to in-house attorneys for product liability cases, but I'm not quite sure.

Third, attorney salaries don't really adhere to classical laws of supply and demand. Everyone who goes to a T14 and works for a V100 firm in a top market makes the same amount of money. Lawyers are too busy to haggle with students who'll leave the firm in four years anyway.

Finally, I got all of my information from the Georgetown Law Office of Career Services, the University of Pennsylvania Law School Career Services Office, as well as the Duke University Law School Career Service Office. I think most of it's public. (The Vault books aren't; you have to be living with someone attending one of the schools to get the passwords for those.)

 

[ffpickle]

PM'd.



Because law school is a three year hazing ritual: it's not about teaching you what you need to know to practice law. That's why you absolutely need to take BAR/BRI in order to pass the Bar exam.

Why does effort and intelligence have nothing to do with grades? The lectures have nothing to do with exams, there are no real answer keys, and professors refuse to give students feedback on practice exams. Even students who know this going in, and practice exams from day one aren't guaranteed to do well because professors absolutely refuse to give students meaningful feedback. If you can't get meaningful feedback and the information you get in class has nothing to do with what you're tested on, you can't improve.

If med schools trained students this way, we'd kill patients so quickly and so consistently that acupuncture would be everyone's first-choice medical treatment. Even ours.



It's a well-established statistical fact that the LSAT is an abysmal predictor of law school grades. In fact, every law school admissions officer in the country admits it. LSAT and GPA is slightly better, but even that's dreadful. The only thing the LSAT reflects is a student's socio-economic status and ability to study for standardized exams.

....such as the Bar exams?

 

[ffpickle]

How much a lawyer makes is ALL based on LUCK and LUCK only. Yes, you have to go to a TOP law school and even if you graduated from Harvard it doesn't guarntee anything. For example, I am sure most Harvard graduates did NOT make anything near what OJ Simpson's lawyer did.

A law degree is pretty much the same as an MBA degree. If you are lucky you will make it big...if not than you are SOL. 🙁

Where did you get this information? Don't you think skill and hard work has anything to do with it? Or do they pick names out of a hat and cut some cheques?

 

[SHC1984]

Where did you get this information? Don't you think skill and hard work has anything to do with it? Or do they pick names out of a hat and cut some cheques?

Lawyers make money by how many cases they win, how many cases they get, how many clients come to them, their business pool, what kind of cases they have etc. Lawyers aren't guarntee any cases/# of clients nor are they guarntee to "win" any cases. So its all luck. Just like if I was to open a restaurant, I am not guarntee to make X amount nor am I guarntte Y amount of customers per night. It all depends on luck. There are no guarntees.

Did you really think OJ Simpson's lawyer knew while he was in law school that he was going to become a millionaire by winning OJ's trial? I doubt it.