Pharmacy School or Harvard?

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I'll be graduating from HS in 2008. I've already been accepted to USP Pharmacy program (0-6) and Rutgers Pharmacy program (0-6). I definitely want to be a pharmacist - No doubt. However, I've got a good shot of being accepted into Harvard. If I go straight into Pharmacy school, I'll be finished in 6 years. If I go to Harvard, I'll get my BS (4yrs), then have to take the pcats, apply to pharm school, and go for another 4 yrs. Nonetheless, it's Harvard. What would you do?

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Go to Harvard, then pharmacy school.
 
Find out if you get into Harvard first, then decide. But I'd probably go to Harvard if I got in.
 
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you're obviously very intelligent...if i were you...i would probably go to harvard for 4 years then go to pharmacy school (assuming you keep your grades up!) like acetyl suggested.

you'll graduate 2 years later than a 0-6...but it's only 2 years. at least you'll have the honor of being a harvard graduate

also, you'll have the opportunity to take a ton of classes you're really interested in (and possibly major or minor in something else?)through a bachelor's
 
That is funny. What if you end up with a low GPA then u are doomed. I would say go straight to pharmacy school so you don't have to go through the same struggle that everyone is going through. PCAT might get a lot awfully harder in the next 4 years. I live in boston and Harvard to me isn't the end of the world. Go chase your dream and become a pharmacist once and for all not chasing other people's dream. I made the same mistake now i'm paying for it so better just get your butt into the prog. Even if u finish with 2.8, at least you are already a pharmacist. Goodluck
 
Can you afford Harvard, and an extra two years of school? I sure can't. I didn't even apply to Ivy Leagues because I knew it would break my heart getting in and not being able to go.

If you are positive you want to do pharmacy, I wouldn't bother with Harvard - no one is going to care where you got your undergrad degree. However, I think it's a good idea to get a 4 year degree just in case you change your mind. Then again, if you change your mind in the course of your schooling you can always just change your major and stay in the same university.

Is prestige worth $100,000+? I say no way.
 
Can you afford Harvard, and an extra two years of school? I sure can't. I didn't even apply to Ivy Leagues because I knew it would break my heart getting in and not being able to go.

If you are positive you want to do pharmacy, I wouldn't bother with Harvard - no one is going to care where you got your undergrad degree. However, I think it's a good idea to get a 4 year degree just in case you change your mind. Then again, if you change your mind in the course of your schooling you can always just change your major and stay in the same university.

Is prestige worth $100,000+? I say no way.

Rich people go to places like Harvard where they make connections. In addition to that, the diploma itself is a special pass for life.

Said people become wealthy and have kids that get into Harvard or a similar school (having parents that are alumni has a huge advantage for various reasons).

Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
Although a Harvard degree is certainly a prestigious one, there is no absolute guarantee you'll get accepted into a pharmacy school later. It's a LOT of extra debt to have to take on for a Harvard degree + a pharmacy degree. It's up to you which path you choose to walk down with your life, but I'd advise going into one of the 0-6 schools you've already been accepted to.

Many congratulations on your present successes and best of luck to you with your future!!
 
Can you handle Harvard tuition and whatever the heck pharmacy school will cost after you get a BS? According to the Harvard website one year including dorms and fees is $48,550... you'll be over $200k in debt from undergrad alone unless you have some pretty damn generous parents. Stafford loans offer $46,000 maximum for independent undergrad students so you'll probably have to dabble in private loans that have wicked interest rates.

After that let's say the average pharmacy school tuition is $25k (probably more but who knows where tuition will be in five years), so that's another $100k (not including living expenses). So that's at least $300k not including interest.

Harvard may offer a lot of opportunities but you have to seriously consider the financial commitment.
 
harvard's financial aid is based solely on need, not merit, so if you are broke, you get a lot of aid. on the website it says 70% get some type of aid and even students with parents that have an income of $160,000 get aid. i would go if your fin aid package was sweet. plus you never know if you might change your mind from pharmacy. if you do change your mind, youre at harvard and if you dont change your mind then youre still at harvard. win-win
 
hmmm i would honestly say Harvard bc u have a shot at making 200k or more if u truly wanted to bc u have the potential if u get in. i mean pharmacy is great but it depends what u want to do at harvard, i mean if u want to do medicine there well def. go ahead if u want to do history or some bs (not bachelor in science btw lol) then go for pharmacy. btw what makes u so sure u can get in bc 5.0 dosnt even cut it sometimes 6.0 still dosnt cut it and thats GPA for those of u wondering bc AP classes are worth 6.0 for an A or even perfect SAT. anyways gl
 
I just want to point out that there is a hidden opportunity cost that you also have to consider if you do decide to go to Harvard.

Going to Harvard means going to school for additional 2 years. During that time you could be working as a pharmacist and pulling in at least $100,000 a year. That's at least $200,000 that you won't be earning if you choose Harvard. 😱 That's on top of the tuition and living expenses that you'd have to shell out for those two additional years.

I'm not saying you should or should not go...going to Harvard is not something everyone gets to do. However, if you are really set on pharmacy how do you think having an IVY league diploma would impact your practice? Unless you're planning to go into research I don't see how it matters very much.

Anyways, good luck and congratulations.
 
You're still young and there are so many options for you to choose from. I'd say if you get accepted to Harvard, attend there for your undergraduate degree. Four years is a long time and you may find a new passion while there; something you'd miss if you went straight for pharmacy. Good luck.
 
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I say do Pharmacy.

Being a Harvard graduate has little fanfare in the field of Pharmacy unless you decide to go into research (although it might play a small factor in getting the best residency, post-residency or fellowship, but your grades in Pharmacy School will usually suffice). If that's the case you could always go to Harvard for your PhD afterwards, work part-time as a Pharmacist if time permits and fund your graduate education with the say $50k annually you'd likely make working half-time.

Had you said you were contemplating Med School I'd agree with going to Harvard and then going to Med School because that kind of stuff is important to your future in Medicine. We pharmacists are much more docile creatures and usually don't seek accolade or rest upon convoluted titles or credentials like a physician would. We are quiet public servants.

Hope that helps. 🙂
 
If you get in, go to Harvard!!
 
If you want to get some general knowledge about stuff you're interested in then I say go to Harvard, do it, and have a good time. But if you know you definitely want to be a pharmacist and the former doesn't really matter to you then go straight to pharmacy school and skip the crap that the rest of us have to go through. Ethyl made a good point though: go straight to pharmacy school and after 8 years you'll be at -(6 years pharmacy school tuition) + 200k. Go to Harvard and after 8 years you'll be at -(4 years Harvard tuition) + -(4 years pharmacy school tuition).
 
Go to Harvard FOR SURE. You will have the best time there, and I feel like if you become a pharmacist in six years, you will regret not having that undergrad experience. Harvard! Then you can get into any pharm school you want (assuming you have the stats, which, if you got into Harvard, you should be able to do).
 
Harvard....you can be with the rest of my family except for me....the only one that didn't get into an Ivy League...;;sigh;;🙁...but anyway...yeah go to Harvard first and see what you like....and then decide then if you want to become a pharmacist...still young...I got accepted to UOP from high school, but I decided to go to UCLA first and see if I wanted to pursue pharmacy still, and I did...so yeah....be open....
 
Can you afford Harvard, and an extra two years of school? I sure can't. I didn't even apply to Ivy Leagues because I knew it would break my heart getting in and not being able to go.

If you are positive you want to do pharmacy, I wouldn't bother with Harvard - no one is going to care where you got your undergrad degree. However, I think it's a good idea to get a 4 year degree just in case you change your mind. Then again, if you change your mind in the course of your schooling you can always just change your major and stay in the same university.

Is prestige worth $100,000+? I say no way.

I disagree and agree with guy below your post...you can't buy a Harvard degree, you actually have to be fairly smart to get in. You also can't buy the prestige it brings...if i had the opportunity to study at an institution like that, I'd gladly pay the $100k. Also, I believe if your family makes less than $40k/yr, Harvard is free.

Life isn't about just getting through school and getting on with a career asap, for those of us that are fairly young, have no children, and can afford it...experience in lieu of career wins. It's a pretty big distinction between my/our generation and Gen X...ah okay I'm on a tangent now.
 
Go to Harvard. You'll get a well-rounded education and many opportunities to apply yourself. I went to an Ivy League University before pharmacy school and it was the best choice for me. The friends and connections I have made, and the knowledge I have had gained, was certainly well worth the time spent. Who knows, you may or may not want to do pharmacy when you come out and find another field you like. I went Ivy as a pre-med and decided on pharmacy, though most of the folks i knew chose medicine.
 
You can make connections at ANY school. Why do people assume that those who go to Harvard will be more successful? I've known many presidents, VP's and CEO's in my career and not many went to an ivy league school. I say go for the 6 and out.
 
You can make connections at ANY school. Why do people assume that those who go to Harvard will be more successful? I've known many presidents, VP's and CEO's in my career and not many went to an ivy league school. I say go for the 6 and out.

true on connections at any school, but which companies are you referring to?

when a school accepts only the top students in the country, your chances are higher of running into someone who will not only be successful (maybe not by the bootstrap method, perhaps by inherited wealth, but successful none-the-less), but perhaps unique as well.

I mean, the founders of Google and Facebook went to top schools (Stanford and Harvard respectively), then again that's an extreme example.

Again I opt for the experience of an undergrad education over 0-6 so long as that school is top 50/top 100 (and fun)
 
I would go to Harvard if I had some way to go without going significantly into debt. If you will end up paying a lot more money than the other school than I say 👎. But going to Harvard is a once in a lifetime opportunity that few people get and you do get that instant name recognition. I think it all depends on economics and what you personally place value on.
 
Go with Harvard and figure out if you really want to be a pharmacist. Everyone wants to be something in high school, but they usually change it over the course of college.
 
I say go to Harvard first then apply to pharmacy school. Sounds like you might regret not going to Harvard. At least you can get some life experiences going to Harvard and can take a breadth of classes. You're still young! :luck:
 
but you get the point, so when you get the license, you're considered equal to a guy who went to Harvard or at a top pharmacy school.... does the end justify the means
 
I disagree and agree with guy below your post...you can't buy a Harvard degree, you actually have to be fairly smart to get in. You also can't buy the prestige it brings...if i had the opportunity to study at an institution like that, I'd gladly pay the $100k. Also, I believe if your family makes less than $40k/yr, Harvard is free.

I agree that the degree would be worth it, but you don't have to be fairly smart to get in if your parents make a good donation and have connections. Those that don't are required to be exceptional people.
 
but you get the point, so when you get the license, you're considered equal to a guy who went to Harvard or at a top pharmacy school.... does the end justify the means

ah but that's from an "ends" viewpoint, i'm saying the journey itself is worth it. But you are right, RPh is RPh is RPh.

And anyone know the % who get in via "donation?" All of my Hahh-vaaaahd friends got in on merit.
 
I would:
1) Frame the acceptance letter from Harvard
2) Start getting your PharmD!

😀😀
 
what's your major in harvard? I really would love to experience Harvard, but i am not good enough and I have no money.
 
Finances are definitely and issue 🙁. I'm not poor enough to receive a great deal of financial aid, but I'm not rich enough to just dish out an extra $100,000 for two extra years of schooling. Still confused 😕, but you guys are great. I really appreciate all your comments. How are you guys financing your education?
 
This is a trolling thread... No one has a "good" chance of admittance to Harvard, unless they are extremely wealthy and have donated lots of money to the school and have family members who have earned degrees there.
 
Harvard is overated, and pharmacy school is a sure thing. I wouldn't think twice.
 
I disagree and agree with guy below your post...you can't buy a Harvard degree, you actually have to be fairly smart to get in. You also can't buy the prestige it brings...if i had the opportunity to study at an institution like that, I'd gladly pay the $100k. Also, I believe if your family makes less than $40k/yr, Harvard is free.

Life isn't about just getting through school and getting on with a career asap, for those of us that are fairly young, have no children, and can afford it...experience in lieu of career wins. It's a pretty big distinction between my/our generation and Gen X...ah okay I'm on a tangent now.

I know you have to be smart to go to Harvard, but not all smart people choose an Ivy League. A friend of mine is quite bright and had a choice between Purdue (same state school I went to) and MIT - she chose Purdue and is now an aeronautical engineer for NASA, and she's debt-free to boot.

I probably could have gotten into an Ivy League. I chose to be debt-free, closer to home, and attend a larger university instead. Personally I would never pay 200K for prestige and connections - especially to study pharmacy. You might need that to become a politician or run your own business or something, but you can be a perfectly successful pharmacist whether you go to Podunk U, State U, a small private school, or an Ivy. Makes no difference.

And to DCODY - you can definitely have a "good" chance of getting into Harvard. Every year there is at least one kid from my high school that goes there. If you have very high SAT scores (1450+ on a 1600 scale), a very high GPA, lots of extracurriculars, volunteer work, and can write, I'd wager you'll get into an Ivy League school or two. They are selective, but not impossible to get into.
 
I feel that I must respond to this thread.

I faced a similar situation and I will just state my experience without any opinions.

I was high school valedictorian from a top 20 PUBLIC high school, and my SAT was very good but not great (for Harvard's standards) (I think 1410/1600 back in 1998, if I remember correctly). At that time, I was passionate on music school, and actually my top choice was probably Juilliard and Harvard second.

Well guess what. You would not believe what happened next. I had family in New York so I took a few lessons under one of the faculty at Juilliard who had accepted me as her student, but then she kicked me out very harshly for strange reasons I could not understand, right before I was about to send the Juilliard applciation in for an audition. She just told me that I could not play the piano. I cried for almost a week. Then I got an audition for a top teacher at another conservatory and was accepted there on full scholarship.

Meanwhile, I was accepted to UPENN with not much money, and waitlisted at Harvard, and rejected at Columbia. I had also gotten accepted in Northwestern, Johns Hopkins/Peabody dual program, Oberlin, Tufts, Indiana, and UF. On July 1 (the last day for waitlisters to get final notification), I get a call from the Harvard undergrad admissions office: You are given acceptance to the NEXT fall's class 2000-2001 (I graduated high school in 1999). This was in fact a DEFERRED guaranted acceptance for the following year and it was in writing with a financial offer that was about half of Harvard's tuition at the time (I think the school cost $34,000 to go and they gave me a a package totalling $18000 ($2,000 was in loan the other $16000 scholarship).

But at that time, I only saw myself doing classical music, so I accepted the full scholarship at the music conservatory. However, after two years, I then decided I did not want music as my career even after winning the school competition. It was a personal decision. I then went back to my state school (which was just average), finished my bachelors with a 3.98 GPA, and then I am now getting my PhD in biostat, from a much better school than where my undergrad was from, and hoping to do pharmaceutical research, or perhaps in another area of research, if I get an unexpected opportunity.

My point, you might be sure that you want something in high school, but you are usually too young to even know. And this applies even if nothing can change your mind at that particular time. In high school, I was bent on classical music, but I did not like the "business" of the classical music industry later down the road. So, if Harvard gives you good scholarship, I would say go there. You will get a more well-rounded experience. You might regret it if you don't want to be a pharmacist 10 years down the road. However, If Harvard gives you very little money, then I would say go to USP. USP /Philadelhpia Colelge of pharmacy is the best 0-6 program since they have MANY connections to the pharm industry, and it is the nation's oldest college of pharmacy. So I think if that is the case go to USP.

But here is one thing to think about. Unlike music, pharmacy will GUARANTEE a stable, well-paying career. So even if you do not like pharmacy as a job later, you will still have a means to make a living and support a family which is very important. But that being said, PLEASE do something you like.

Think about this very hard, and decide.
 
100% Agree with this. Nice input! I have nothing more to add to it. 😀

Do what you like, like what you do. 😍
 
Go to Harvard, and give your chance to decide what you want to do with your life. You may think that pharmacy is what you want to do now, but at least give yourself that opportunity to explore all the opportunities out there. I wouldn't trust my own opinions at the age of 18 to go to pharmacy school (which is what I wanted back then); I would have come out with a PharmD and realized that I missed out on an amazing undergraduate education and always have that regret stuck at the back of my mind. I went to a top school and don't regret it one bit because it was worth every penny. You can always go to Harvard and turn around to go to pharmacy school - what if you don't like pharmacy once you're there? You're at the mercy of climbing an uphill battle rather than an easy slope.
 
I was high school valedictorian from a top 20 PUBLIC high school

Good grief. Did you also attend top pre-school?

I'm not attacking you - just this ridiculous system where most of us don't have such opportunity and are considered lesser beings for having to attend a rural high school and a Tier 4 university.
 
Rich people go to places like Harvard where they make connections. In addition to that, the diploma itself is a special pass for life.

Said people become wealthy and have kids that get into Harvard or a similar school (having parents that are alumni has a huge advantage for various reasons).

Lather, rinse, repeat.

and this matters in pharmacy how?
 
and this matters in pharmacy how?

You might make friends who would be willing to invest in a pharmacy that you wish to open. Or maybe a fellow alum is an executive at a drug company.

Use your imagination a little.
 
If you can comfortably afford Harvard, go there FOR SURE. you never know if you will change your mind in college, soooo many students change their majors numerous times, and its a great experience to be in such an amazing school. Pharmacy school will always be there. Who knows, maybe experiences that you will have in Harvard will push you into another direction...
Its very hard to know at 18 (high school graduation), what you want to do with your life, people don't even know at 21-22 after college graduation..
so if you have the chance to go to such a prestigious school, and it won't be a financial burden...what is there even to consider then? Go to harvard! 😀
 
How do you know that pharmacy is for you? Why not med or getting a phD and teach?
 
when I applied in 1998-1999, it was 11%. Well, I guess 2% can make a difference, since I WAS the borderline back then who eventually got in.
 
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