Physician/Surgeon: #2 Highest paying careers

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They ranked social services manager above medicine? (on the best jobs list)

Who writes these things??? 🙂
 
cdql said:
They ranked social services manager above medicine? (on the best jobs list)

Who writes these things??? 🙂

That is what I thought before I took a look at the criteria that was used.
 
moviefreak said:
CEOs take #1. Lawyers #4.
Also, Physician/Surgeon #30 out of 50 in the best jobs list.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/snapshots/30.html
You have to look at the criteria for CEOs. Any small business owner is a CEO, most of them do make more than docs.. just a thought...

BTW as all of us know there are a lot of sweet things about being a doc but working a ton and dealing with bs from insurance cos and other stuff sux. Its not all roses..

BTW on the best jobs list lawyers were #37 so at least we are ahead of the leeches..
 
Also you have to calculate the hourly pay rate when you are looking at salaries.

If you are an doctor making $150k for 80 hours a week that is the same pay as being an accountant making $75k for 40 hours a week. 🙂
 
skypilot said:
Also you have to calculate the hourly pay rate when you are looking at salaries.

If you are an doctor making $150k for 80 hours a week that is the same pay as being an accountant making $75k for 40 hours a week. 🙂


or you could be a doctor making 250k+ for 40hrs/week... (derm, rads, radonc) 🙂
 
radonc said:
or you could be a doctor making 250k+ for 40hrs/week... (derm, rads, radonc) 🙂

done! where do i sign up for this gig? 🙂
 
They gave physician/surgeon career grades of D,D,B,D, in flexibility, stress, creativity and difficulty - which pretty much means being a doctor sucks and should be # 2 in compensation. BTW, 30% of docs work 60 or more hours a week. Don't know if this is with or without residents in the stat though
 
If you look at Isersons book he gives an estimate of attending hours. IIRC CT Surg attendings work almost 70 hours a week. I know they are str8 paid but that sux. You need time to enjoy your $$$..
 
Whenever you look at physician compensation for a specialty you are interested in, reduce it by 30%-40%, because that is what you will make by the time you hit practice. I don't know if anyone follows politics, but it's pretty clear what will happen once Bush leaves office. The Government has to reduce what it spends, no question, and the #1 place to cut is medicare, specifically physician reimbursements. In 10 years, when (thanks to inflation) a 30 year old Government GS-11 makes 100k for 40 hours a week, a family practice physician will also make 100k, and a specialist will make around 180k. My buddy works in the office of a well known congressman who is part of a group trying to tackle this issue. He says a popular idea is to subsidize medical student loan debt (at 1%-2%) to attract more students as salaries fall. They are worried thta if they do this, medical schools will increase their tuitions even more. Another popular idea is to combine the decreases in medicare reimbursement with tax incentives to employ more midlevel providers like NPs and PAs, so that the physician sees fewer patients but supervises a team of NPs who can service a patient panel 2x or 3x what a physician could do by him/her self.
 
curious1 said:
Whenever you look at physician compensation for a specialty you are interested in, reduce it by 30%-40%, because that is what you will make by the time you hit practice. I don't know if anyone follows politics, but it's pretty clear what will happen once Bush leaves office. The Government has to reduce what it spends, no question, and the #1 place to cut is medicare, specifically physician reimbursements. In 10 years, when (thanks to inflation) a 30 year old Government GS-11 makes 100k for 40 hours a week, a family practice physician will also make 100k, and a specialist will make around 180k. My buddy works in the office of a well known congressman who is part of a group trying to tackle this issue. He says a popular idea is to subsidize medical student loan debt (at 1%-2%) to attract more students as salaries fall. They are worried thta if they do this, medical schools will increase their tuitions even more. Another popular idea is to combine the decreases in medicare reimbursement with tax incentives to employ more midlevel providers like NPs and PAs, so that the physician sees fewer patients but supervises a team of NPs who can service a patient panel 2x or 3x what a physician could do by him/her self.

Are they gunna get rid of these student loans or what? One loan officer told me not to pay it off because in the horizon it may be forgiven, I wanna believe that... I really do.
 
Poety said:
Are they gunna get rid of these student loans or what? One loan officer told me not to pay it off because in the horizon it may be forgiven, I wanna believe that... I really do.

There's a guy named "Sam" over in Pennsauken who can take care of your loans, for a price.
 
the funny thing about those salaries is how much they vary between specialties... you can work 80 hours a week doing family practice in an indigent area and barely break 100k or work 50 hours a week in a cash practice doing cosmetic procedures and breaking 600k...

basically you gotta do what you love --- and love what you do...
 
This is a little off topic but I heard that the highest paid physician in the US is a LASIK/Refractive surgeon (go Ophtho!). I think he's out in California. Makes more than the most successful Ortho Spine surgeon, Plastic surgeon, etc.

Anyone hear otherwise?
 
curious1 said:
Whenever you look at physician compensation for a specialty you are interested in, reduce it by 30%-40%, because that is what you will make by the time you hit practice. I don't know if anyone follows politics, but it's pretty clear what will happen once Bush leaves office. The Government has to reduce what it spends, no question, and the #1 place to cut is medicare, specifically physician reimbursements. In 10 years, when (thanks to inflation) a 30 year old Government GS-11 makes 100k for 40 hours a week, a family practice physician will also make 100k, and a specialist will make around 180k. My buddy works in the office of a well known congressman who is part of a group trying to tackle this issue. He says a popular idea is to subsidize medical student loan debt (at 1%-2%) to attract more students as salaries fall. They are worried thta if they do this, medical schools will increase their tuitions even more. Another popular idea is to combine the decreases in medicare reimbursement with tax incentives to employ more midlevel providers like NPs and PAs, so that the physician sees fewer patients but supervises a team of NPs who can service a patient panel 2x or 3x what a physician could do by him/her self.

Why not tackle pharma costs. They are more than physician reimbursement. My buddy works at Amgen who makes epogen and he proudly let me know that it is the biggest line item because it isnt subject to generics because it was discovered prior to that whole generic thing. Anyways.. Just something to think about.. Keflex is like $50 but only $10 for the generic...Epo is way way more...
 
EctopicFetus said:
Why not tackle pharma costs. They are more than physician reimbursement. My buddy works at Amgen who makes epogen and he proudly let me know that it is the biggest line item because it isnt subject to generics because it was discovered prior to that whole generic thing. Anyways.. Just something to think about.. Keflex is like $50 but only $10 for the generic...Epo is way way more...

No kidding. Physician fees are a tiny fraction of health care costs. Pharm would be a good place to start. They could also tackle improving the legal atmosphere. There are so many things we do in medicine to "CYA." Not because they are they best thing to do or really indicated, but because there was a huge judgement by a jury. This drives up the cost of healthcare like nothing else. Then people bitch and moan about physician saleries. 🙄
 
bigeyedfish said:
No kidding. Physician fees are a tiny fraction of health care costs. Pharm would be a good place to start. They could also tackle improving the legal atmosphere. There are so many things we do in medicine to "CYA." Not because they are they best thing to do or really indicated, but because there was a huge judgement by a jury. This drives up the cost of healthcare like nothing else. Then people bitch and moan about physician saleries. 🙄


are you sure about the effect of physician fees? I had a health policy class back in the day the stated that the number one expense in health care was physician fee- but I don't know a source. Anybody have any hard data on this point?
 
ElZorro said:
are you sure about the effect of physician fees? I had a health policy class back in the day the stated that the number one expense in health care was physician fee- but I don't know a source. Anybody have any hard data on this point?
I looked this up... I stand corrected....

Expenditures for hospital care accounted for 32 percent of all national health expenditures in 2001. Physician services accounted for 22 percent of the total in 2001, prescription drugs for 10 percent, and nursing home care for 7 percent.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=6225
 
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