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but you technically have 6 years from your graduation date to pass all of the relevant board exams. So, that means the ABR will certify you as "Board eligible" which means your employer can bill for your services to all of the insurance companies without issue.

This is correct. Failing your boards is a bump in the road. A painful one to be sure, but not one that should affect your career significantly in the long run. Just pass everything within 6 years.

Also agree that it is unlikely to affect your job search. Boards performance did not come up in any of my job interviews. It did come up when it came time for credentialing, but by then you more or less already have a commitment so it shouldn't be an issue.
 
Jeez I was under the impression that physics/radbio isn’t even brought up at interviews... Apparently it is?


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It was brought up once, however they still offered me the position, so as others have already stated just knock it out the park next time around. This is just the first of many terrible springs/summer to come!
 
So sorry to hear that the failure rate on biology and physics was apparently much higher this year. 🙁

As a resident educator in radiation/cancer biology of LONG standing, and as somebody who spent an entire decade writing questions and putting standardized tests together (the In-Training exam, in my case), I have a couple of comments/questions...

For those who didn't pass biology, how much of the problem would you attribute to your biology instructors being clueless about what to teach residents or what to expect from the board exam? (That is, in addition to the questions seeming to be especially poorly written this year, that some of the content seemed out of the blue, in too great a depth and not covered in Hall & Giaccia, and notwithstanding whatever new agenda the ABR may or may not have.) Related, are your instructors actual, card-carrying radiobiologists? Cancer biologists without much, if any, radiation background? Rad onc physician-scientists?

The main reason I ask is that as a rule, we educators likewise don't have that good an idea of what’s on this exam and in what depth, beyond the ABR "syllabus", and I use the word "syllabus" loosely, for what is basically a generic outline with no detail provided. Add to that the fact that we're also the last to know when the ABR decides to make changes to the syllabus and/or exam. Case in point is that I only found out this morning that the ABR has been in ongoing discussions with ADROP (the Program Director's organization) for at least a couple of years about plans to toughen up the biology exam. Never heard word one about this from my own PD, and, unlike the overwhelming majority of my fellow biology educators, I actually follow these kinds of developments pretty closely. I have known both Eric Hall and Amato Giaccia personally for many years, and also know most of the biologists writing questions for the ABR exam, and did any of them say anything to help out or give a heads-up to their teaching brethren that changes were in store? Nope. So you can only imagine how disconnected the non-radiobiologist educators must be if even hardcore radiobiologists like me don't know what the heck is going on!

Thus, if the ABR really is interested in exam feedback (questionable), neither residents nor their educators are sufficiently empowered to demand accountability or change; this would necessarily have to come from the Program Directors, Chairs and/or ASTRO. I mean really, there has to be a better way...
 
Thank you for this valuable post. It is mind blowing that the radbio content writers for the ABR looked at the failure rates above, which were totally in line with physics, clinical, and oral failure rates, and decided they needed to make the exam more difficult to pass, discussed this with program coordinators, and then we (residents and teachers) were left in the dark. This kind of reinforces my theory that they specifically looked at the astro study guide questions and purposefully tried to test minutiae that was not covered on them. The Angoff method, per ABR, is supposed to involve field experts looking at questions and arbitrarily deciding the percentage of "minimally qualified" clinicians that would answer it correctly. I am really not "minimally qualified" to practice radiation oncology because I guessed that ATM phosphorylated H2AX on Ser138 instead of Ser139? (Note: This was not a real test question, I literally just made it up and has nothing to do with anything I did or did not remember from the exam -- but it illustrates the level of ridiculousness that was tested on this exam). Really?

To answer your question, yes, I am very frustrated with the level of instruction from radiobiology faculty as they have simply been regurgitating the same commonly tested material for the past few decades. But it sounds like, at least on your end, you were kept totally in the dark about the ABR's plans to totally change the test and couldn't adjust your syllabus for your students because you didn't know. I don't know what's more f'ed up: The fact that the ABR has totally lost it when it comes to defining "minimal competence" in radiobiology for clinicians or their apparent effort to intentionally lower the pass rate (still have yet to hear a reason WHY they felt the need to do this). I would like to know how many actual clinicians are involved in question writing for the radbio exam.
 
We do have a radiobiologist who is an excellent teacher but certainly did not cover a large portion of what was asked. He tries to make adjustments year to year but does so blindly. I don’t blame the class because it’s all based of Hall’s book, which is covered well, and very much helped me understand the fundamental concepts of clinical radiobiology.

The way the test was designed I don’t see how a radiobiologist teaching the class would have helped. I would have faired much better if I spent all that class time discovering and cramming random factoids in my head.


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Thank you for this valuable post. It is mind blowing that the radbio content writers for the ABR looked at the failure rates above, which were totally in line with physics, clinical, and oral failure rates, and decided they needed to make the exam more difficult to pass, discussed this with program coordinators, and then we (residents and teachers) were left in the dark. This kind of reinforces my theory that they specifically looked at the astro study guide questions and purposefully tried to test minutiae that was not covered on them. The Angoff method, per ABR, is supposed to involve field experts looking at questions and arbitrarily deciding the percentage of "minimally qualified" clinicians that would answer it correctly. I am really not "minimally qualified" to practice radiation oncology because I guessed that ATM phosphorylated H2AX on Ser138 instead of Ser139? (Note: This was not a real test question, I literally just made it up and has nothing to do with anything I did or did not remember from the exam -- but it illustrates the level of ridiculousness that was tested on this exam). Really?

To answer your question, yes, I am very frustrated with the level of instruction from radiobiology faculty as they have simply been regurgitating the same commonly tested material for the past few decades. But it sounds like, at least on your end, you were kept totally in the dark about the ABR's plans to totally change the test and couldn't adjust your syllabus for your students because you didn't know. I don't know what's more f'ed up: The fact that the ABR has totally lost it when it comes to defining "minimal competence" in radiobiology for clinicians or their apparent effort to intentionally lower the pass rate (still have yet to hear a reason WHY they felt the need to do this). I would like to know how many actual clinicians are involved in question writing for the radbio exam.

Maybe they are butthurt that the major advances in radiation biology are from coming from outside the discipline of classical radbio and that classical radiobiology is a dying field?
 
The thing that is really getting me is that ADROP supposedly knew about this.
If anybody had a PD or radbio instructor tell them the exam would be different this year and altered teaching and studying recommendations based on this information, please post here.
 
If they were butthurt that classical radiobiology is not in vogue anymore, then why did they not focus more on classical radiobiology (the Hall text) instead of cancer biology?
 
I am surprised that no one on this thread has asked the question of whether a radbio/physics exam should be required to be board certified in radiation oncology. Best I can tell no other discipline requires three different exams with one of them of limited clinical importance; we should train clinical oncologists, not cancer biologists.
 
Heard in one ear and out the other. At least that has been my experience with them. Any “feedback” is useless to the point of which you’re asking why bother. Usually this means they will pass 99% next year.

I was an unfortunate soul who had to retake physics and although it made for a challenging year, I guarantee you that you will all get through this with flying colors and that most hiring groups will understand. Usually the ones that do care at this point are the same ones who want “seasoned” rad oncs to work 190 hrs a week...🙂

How did you study to retake it? I also had to retake physics and failed again! I’m so frustrate. Thankfully my colleagues have been understanding but now trying to navigate what the next steps are is completely overwhelming. At this point I’m not sure what I did wrong because my raphex scores were strong and coming out of the exam I felt like I had done okay.
 
How did you study to retake it? I also had to retake physics and failed again! I’m so frustrate. Thankfully my colleagues have been understanding but now trying to navigate what the next steps are is completely overwhelming. At this point I’m not sure what I did wrong because my raphex scores were strong and coming out of the exam I felt like I had done okay.

Most likely luck, I studied the McDermott book cold and used a high yield Khan book and took a bunch of raphex tests. I also was fortunate to have a physics fellow who took time to go through in detail many of the fundamentals I wasn’t able to grasp on my own. I felt better the second time around but felt I wasn’t too far from a second failure. Good news was that I didn’t have much time to think about it since I had to take the writtens the very next day.
 
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FWIW, the bio and physics exam after PGY-4 is listed as "optional" on the ARRO website:

ARRO Certification Resources Boards- American Society for Radiation Oncology (ASTRO) - American Society for Radiation Oncology (ASTRO)

Something to think about for those of us who failed a section. I can't believe that it would have any realistic impact on our careers, but it is frustrating that we will have to admit to failing a board exam (for things like malpractice insurance apparently) when that we technically didn't have to take. I have heard of people forgetting to register and having to take all three components after graduation. Would be a lot nicer if they would call it a condition rather than a failure. They say we failed the exam completely, but only have to retake the failed section, not the whole thing. Sounds like a condition to me.
 
FWIW, the bio and physics exam after PGY-4 is listed as "optional" on the ARRO website:

ARRO Certification Resources Boards- American Society for Radiation Oncology (ASTRO) - American Society for Radiation Oncology (ASTRO)

Something to think about for those of us who failed a section. I can't believe that it would have any realistic impact on our careers, but it is frustrating that we will have to admit to failing a board exam (for things like malpractice insurance apparently) when that we technically didn't have to take. I have heard of people forgetting to register and having to take all three components after graduation. Would be a lot nicer if they would call it a condition rather than a failure. They say we failed the exam completely, but only have to retake the failed section, not the whole thing. Sounds like a condition to me.
I was PD for nearly two decades in two different programs. It is true that on an individual level this may be optional but there is a perverse incentive for programs to encourage trainees to take the exams on schedule. If not then the trainees are counted as "not passing" when the ABR reports their ten year rolling averages to the programs. I had two trainees that I encouraged to delay taking the boards (one for pregnancy and another for death in the family). I thought this was in the best interest of the candidate but they both were reported as "did not pass on first attempt" and thus were included in the denominator of the rolling average of the ABR (which the ACGME uses as a "quality measure" when accrediting programs). I don't know if this has been corrected in the last 2-3 years but it remains a problem with the way program board pass rate is defined by the ABR.
 
Most likely luck, I studied the McDermott book cold and used a high yield Khan book and took a bunch of raphex tests. I also was fortunate to have a physics fellow who took time to go through in detail many of the fundamentals I wasn’t able to grasp on my own. I felt better the second time around but felt I wasn’t too far from a second failure. Good news was that I didn’t have much time to think about it since I had to take the writtens the very next day.

Do you mind sharing your breakdown? Sounds like we did a lot of the same things. Yeah taking writtens the next day was some mental gymnastics, thankfully that one had a better result.
 
I am surprised that no one on this thread has asked the question of whether a radbio/physics exam should be required to be board certified in radiation oncology. Best I can tell no other discipline requires three different exams with one of them of limited clinical importance; we should train clinical oncologists, not cancer biologists.
of course it should not be required. They are useless relics. The few subjects that are clinically relevant in those tests can be easily condensed in the clinical boards. Radiobiologists have been wrong about all things which have mattered for our fied (hdr vs ldr,sbrt). These “experts” are irrelevant and just want to remain employed. The physics section is also largely not clinically relevant. i cannot understand why as a field we cannot move away from this.
 
I took the tests last year and passed both but will weigh in.

The biggest issue is a lack of a centralized curriculum. Also it’s an atrocity that the ABR publishes an annual “study guide” that is just a carbon copy of one of the previous exams and then decided to change the content of the exam itself. For example, the 2017 study guide was an exact copy of the 2012 or 2013 one.

When I took the exam the prevailing wisdom was just study the study guides and know them cold and you will pass. I am a good test taker and I took the test, felt that I likely failed, and scored what’s looked like in the second quartile. The test was full of irrelevant minutiae or fine details that you wouldn’t know unless you were a radiobiolgist. As had been mentioned the fact that much of this information isn’t in the seminal radiation biology textbook should be a sign that’s things have gone far of course.

My conclusion from the test was that there was no way I would have studied the minutiae that was tested and, while uncomfortable, the study guides contained enough info to pass. This was the advice I repeated to fellow residents below me and I simply feel guilty for giving the advice. It seems that while that has been enough to pass in the past, things have for inexplicable reasons changed this year.

Going back to the central curriculum, we are all intelligent. Tell us what we need to know and we will learn it. However, don’t create an exam that is so far beyond what we reasonably need to know asradiation oncologists and give us as residents no way to study for it while giving our educators no concrete guidelines how to prepare us for it.

Edit: I apologize for any typos it’s late and I’m writing on my iPhone.
 
Interesting insights - thanks for posting.

As fate would have it, I have been asked to give a review talk (in about 3 weeks) on "the future of rad onc resident education in biology" at the upcoming Radiation Research Society meeting, so would also love to hear your opinions on that as well.

Seems we already have a couple of votes for "Radiobiologists are basically a complete waste of DNA, have never contributed anything useful to the practice of radiation oncology, and are obsolete dinosaurs anyway, so why do residents have to be tested on this material at all for board certification purposes?" Any other suggestions? 😛

The funny thing is is that the view that "classical radiobiology is a dying/dead field" might be exactly what is fueling this push to make the biology exam more challenging and more about cancer biology (i.e., molecular-cellular-tumor biology) than radiobiology per se. Sure, OK, I don't fully agree, but still...LET THE EDUCATORS AND RESIDENTS KNOW THE PLAN.
 
I think rad bio is a moving field due to what we're learning more about hypofractionation. From what I remember, hypofractionation was scary and caused significant long-term side effects and should never be done (unless you practice in Europe/Canada). However as technology changed, we're using it more with much success with not so much toxicity in the setting of breast, lung, pancreatic and *gasp* prostate cancer. I think the concept of SBRT/SRS really messes everything up with the alpha/beta ratio and from what I learned, classic rad bio gets thrown out the window.

I'm not saying to get rid of teaching residents physics or rad bio but maybe we at least need to figure out what is going on. In regards to all the million molecules that are being discovered, I have yet to use any of that in my practice.
 
Interesting insights - thanks for posting.

As fate would have it, I have been asked to give a review talk (in about 3 weeks) on "the future of rad onc resident education in biology" at the upcoming Radiation Research Society meeting, so would also love to hear your opinions on that as well.

Seems we already have a couple of votes for "Radiobiologists are basically a complete waste of DNA, have never contributed anything useful to the practice of radiation oncology, and are obsolete dinosaurs anyway, so why do residents have to be tested on this material at all for board certification purposes?" Any other suggestions? 😛

The funny thing is is that the view that "classical radiobiology is a dying/dead field" might be exactly what is fueling this push to make the biology exam more challenging and more about cancer biology (i.e., molecular-cellular-tumor biology) than radiobiology per se. Sure, OK, I don't fully agree, but still...LET THE EDUCATORS AND RESIDENTS KNOW THE PLAN.
I would put the question directly to the ABR as you suggest. The ABR should tell educators and trainees what is expected as the core curriculum (beyond their useless study guides). The ABR should be concerned with clinical competence. It strikes me that the people creating the exam are more committed to ensuring that the best science is presented to the trainees and then using the questions to discriminate between trainees. This is normative evaluation when the ABR should be concerned with criterion-reference standards of clinical practice.

From the ABR website-
The mission of the American Board of Radiology (ABR) is to serve patients, the public, and the medical profession by certifying that its diplomates have acquired, demonstrated, and maintained a requisite standard of knowledge, skill, and understanding essential to the safe and competent practice of diagnostic radiology, radiation oncology, and medical physics.

This emphasis on cutting edge science strikes me as mission creep and is NOT the mission of the ABR. Developing cutting edge science and scientists is the mission of scientific societies and scholarly institutions.
 
A couple thoughts -
While the ABR should call it what it is, a cancer biology exam and not radiation biology, and should make that clear in their study guides or outline of the exam, what other board style exam have we ever gotten a detailed breakdown of performance. I wouldn't expect much more that what you have already received.

I think a stronger case can be made that the exam has little if any relevance to training clinical radiation oncologists and therefore can be redesigned or folded into the clinical written boards rather than complaining about not being prepared based on reviewing one text book or doing a set of practice exams when it should have been clear the questions on these exams are at the best repetitive or just outright copied from one year to next. What if there was just a little shift in the questions on the exam away from those? Or in another way of looking at it, if everyone studied to 70-80% passing on those practice exams, and it is well known the results of the real exam are ranked, doing as well as everyone else may not guarantee a pass. Throw in the ringers, the 20-25% of the residents with PhD training and presumably greater knowledge of cancer biology, and it is a slippery slope to failure.

A rad bio alone exam at present is similar to medical oncology taking an exam restricted to anti-metabolites and ignoring targeted agents, immune checkpoint inhibitors, etc. Rad bio is largely a historical field now with the vast majority of testable information based on papers that are 30 years and older that has limited applicability to newer techniques. Radiation biologists today use vastly different techniques with molecular driven results. If the exam persists, which it will in order to justify the ~$700/year fees, it should reflect that.
 
I’m all through the abuse (with some residual stingers) but feel for the victims and their families. You mustn’t deny, we are victims and survivors.

Anyone have a family member who is a lawyer? It’s crystal clear that what the institution is doing is illegal on many grounds (not to mention collecting thousands of dollars from those victims retaking the exam... $ound like a motive?) If there is nothing to hide, why hide it all!?!?!? Why publish irrelevant study guides? Let’s start with this... Abusers and bullies, what are your written assessment objectives while creating the test and specifically for each specific question (I’m talking about the assessment objectives from previous exams... don’t make up new assessment objectives just before trial)? Then, let’s take a look to see if each question is fair and is it linked to an assessment objective. Then, looking at each question (rad bio for example), was the required knowledge for such depth of cellular mechanisms outlined in the officially posted guided review? Was the guided review shared months in advance? If they keep expanding the depth of knowledge required byway of additional pathways, the next thing residents will be studying is quantum physics, then later string theory. The abusers are failing in so many more ways but we shouldn’t share our hands on here.

If common sense doesn’t fix this, then the law will. Also, give the retaking victim$ at least a 50% discount for registration... really, you abusers LOVE this data anyway, so throw them a bone. As my mentee would say, “Y’all greedy!” I would add, unethical.

Everything has limits and outliers. We rad oncs are defining the Angoff Scoring limits. Change the scoring method.
 
Has anyone had any luck reaching the ABR yet?
 
Hello Colleagues,

This is not the group I wanted to be in, but I'm glad to find I'm not alone.

Failed Rad Bio, twice. Physics and clinicals went fine, which I attribute to the fact that I had a better way of preparing myself and measuring my preparation with those. I think the Raphex exams and the Rad Onc Review website questions were excellent resources respectively. By the way, my performance metric on the rad onc reviews website, comparing me with my peers, correlated okay with my actual quartile scores on the clinical exam this year. However, it may have overestimated my performance in some areas, so keep that in mind. My overall quartile would have been a low to mid 3 from the website, in actuality, it was closer to 2 from my test results.

As far as Rad Bio, I just don't know what to do. The good news is, it looks like I've got no other test this year to study for, as I have to take and pass that test alone next year in order to qualify for oral boards the year after.

I overwhelmingly agree that the rad bio exam is not reflective of the core materials we have to prepare for it. The textbooks by Hall and Joiner, the review book by Chang, the Maryland review course, the lecture series by Dr. Joiner himself, and the ASTRO study guides will not assure you success on the exam. It is as if the writers of the exam finally hit their limit and have become so bored of testing core concepts that they've now taken to entertaining themselves and each other with minutiae and out of the box questions that are impossible to predict from the curriculum we are given.

With regards to the ASTRO study guides, they are sadly outdated. There are 3 versions, and each year they take the oldest one and recycle it to the coming year, without any updates. At least one of the tests is so full of errors, typos, and question/answer linked together out of sync, so as to be almost useless at best, and more harmful than helpful at worst. The other two are excellent reviews of what's in the text books and review course, but not predictive of what is on the actual test, which I'm more familiar with at this point than I'd like to be.

I called the ABR, the receptionist seemed understandably unable to adequately process my concerns and asked me to relay them in writing so that it could be escalated more appropriately. So I sent an email as well but I haven't heard anything back, nor do I expect to. However, I will say that before making the jump to Rad Onc, I was an internist. The feeling I'm getting from this forum is similar to the vibe I got from my internal medicine colleagues 4 years ago when outrage and suspicion over the lack of transparency with the changes to MOC led to a near overthrow of the ABIM. The ABIM has been on a massive 4-year apology tour ever since, reversing fees, delaying role outs, altering mandates, communicating with physicians, disclosing their finances, etc. I do think we need to keep the pressure on the ABR to hear and acknowledge our concerns (ie, why pass rates are no longer posted, why it appears more failures have occurred in the past 2 years, why there is a consensus that the exam has changed focus, why there is no option to retake the test for a whole year and pay an entire extra year or fees, etc).

To that end we might add ASTRO and especially ARRO to our contact list. They have been an invaluable resource in the past with study guides to prepare us for ABR board exams. They need to hear that their study guides are no longer adequate and we need to request that they start a dialogue with ABR to figure out what has changed with the expectations in Rad Bio.

The Astro/ARRO website lists the following on the page dedicated to providing resources to prepare us for boards: "If you have any questions or concerns, please email ASTRO's Research Department or call 703-839-7378." I'll call that number but I'll also try to contact the ARRO resident representatives directly. Keleigh Doke from Kansas program is currently listed at the ARRO chair, I don't know if anyone reading this has her contact and wants to inform her. This affects us all and our resident organization should look into this for us.
 
I don't know what you all are hoping to gain by contacting the ABR. Ideally, they would have another group of "experts" re-evaulate the question set as to what a "minimally competent" radiation oncologist should know and then readjust the cut-score. (how many practicing radiation oncologists out there carry with them the knowledge that ATM phosphorylates H2AX on Ser139? Clearly these people are not safe to practice! Need to test them with expensive MOC exams and ask them those important questions! - again not a real question, just to demonstrate a point)

But we all know that's not going to happen. They are not going to admit any fault in their test or in their statistical evaluation.
We are not stupid people. We had the highest grades in college and med school, the highest MCAT and USMLE scores.
Yes, there may be a couple of people who for one reason or another who didn't study in residency and are actually incompetent. But it is not 30-40% of us, which is apparently the failure rate this year.

It's unconscionable, and anybody in the ABR involved in this exam should truly be ashamed of themselves. They have strayed so far from their mission, and what is happening now with the simultaneous
(1) secret changes in the exam
(2) failure to publish a radbio study guide for the first time in over a decade
(3) intentions to increase the failure rate (the ABR should not be concerned with failure rates -- an exam to test minimal competence should NOT be a normative exam and the shape of the curve should be completely inconsequential)
(4) masking of failure rates by lumping in them 3 year groups to hide their screw ups on exams like this years
and (5) complete lack of transparency

All with the end result of significantly harming many bright young doctors, who are in fact competent clinicians, who just want to get out there are provide excellent oncologic care to their patients. You have hurt them and their families by causing unwarranted stress and significantly impeding their career development.

They have created an unreasonable barrier to entry, and in other fields when such barriers to entry have been erected discrimination has often been identified and things have gotten ugly. Weeding out bright PGY-4 and 5 residents with post-doctoral level cancer biology trivia without any sort of forewarning is absurd. How would those PhDs like it if they were blindsided with questions about specific pCr rates and survival p-values from RTOG trials at their dissertation defense?

So no, contacting the ABR individually asking for transparency is a complete waste of time. They are not going to change your score, and they are not going divulge anything or admit to any of the above, which we all know is true. All we can do is keep calling out their unethical behavior publicly and continue to highlight the atrocity that is the radiation biology board exam that started last year. We desperately need to quantify and verify the anecdotally reported failure rate of 30-40% so that everyone knows that we did not fail the 5-10% failure rate exam that all of our mentors took.
 
Thanks so much to everyone who has reached out to us via email, Twitter, FB, SDN regarding resident concerns with the ABR exam. We wanted to let you know that we are collectively working with several groups and have talked with leaders of ADROP as well to make sure the ABR hears them. The comments that have been shared are truly important to the process, so we encourage you to reach out to us to send any direct concerns or specific comments via DM on social media or email arro AT astro org.
 
I’m all through the abuse (with some residual stingers) but feel for the victims and their families. You mustn’t deny, we are victims and survivors.

Anyone have a family member who is a lawyer? It’s crystal clear that what the institution is doing is illegal on many grounds (not to mention collecting thousands of dollars from those victims retaking the exam... $ound like a motive?) If there is nothing to hide, why hide it all!?!?!? Why publish irrelevant study guides? Let’s start with this... Abusers and bullies, what are your written assessment objectives while creating the test and specifically for each specific question (I’m talking about the assessment objectives from previous exams... don’t make up new assessment objectives just before trial)? Then, let’s take a look to see if each question is fair and is it linked to an assessment objective. Then, looking at each question (rad bio for example), was the required knowledge for such depth of cellular mechanisms outlined in the officially posted guided review? Was the guided review shared months in advance? If they keep expanding the depth of knowledge required byway of additional pathways, the next thing residents will be studying is quantum physics, then later string theory. The abusers are failing in so many more ways but we shouldn’t share our hands on here.

If common sense doesn’t fix this, then the law will. Also, give the retaking victim$ at least a 50% discount for registration... really, you abusers LOVE this data anyway, so throw them a bone. As my mentee would say, “Y’all greedy!” I would add, unethical.

Everything has limits and outliers. We rad oncs are defining the Angoff Scoring limits. Change the scoring method.

I have been looking into lawyers that specialize in medical resident rights. I doubt we actually have any but I would spend a bit of my own money just to find out. It would be nice to know if we have a legal recourse here.

If this gets bad enough then maybe its finally time that we split with the ABR. At this point the residency training between Radiology and Radiation Oncology has become sufficiently different that we should definitely be regulated by different boards. Maybe ABRO (American Board of Radiation Oncology)?
 
It is sad that it took this level of complete chaos to maybe trigger something that may lead to a figment of change. I hold my breath for any substantive change. You can tell I'm sure that the lack of any leadership from our "leaders" has made me kinda of a bitter gal, but I promise you I'm more pleasant in person. The fact is that both the rad bio and physics tests are useless tests in their present forms. Even if people are passing physics in the present form the fact is that much of the information is not CLINICALLY relevant. Rad bio is equally the same sort of absolute garbage test. one of the things that i find deeply offensive to our of intelligence is an "expert" who has no idea what they are talking about. We have many of these people making decisions in our field and it makes me f-crazy. I am aware of the ABIM "revolt" a few years ago because I also have an IM background, can anybody who knows more about it comment further? My understanding is for many years the ABIM overreached and eventually people said ENOUGH and the pitchforks congregated and they finally "changed" their ways. How can we achieve that? The solution is to get rid of these tests and to condense it into truly clinically relevant things approved by clinicians to be included into the clinical boards. Anything else is absolutely ridiculous. How about these PhD "experts" in physics and rad bio also take our clinical boards? After they pass our clinical boards they can go back to researching absolutely useless materials as radioprotectants and radiosensitizers if they can find a grant to fund them, but don't use me to give their research importance. I am not a graduate student.

why are we under the american board of radiology? we are not radiologists. is this a relic of our past? how about we have control of our own things without being confused with radiologists?
 
Why is a re-scoring or re-analysis of the Radbio test out of the question? What would happen for example if one year an actual anomaly occurred or computer glitch and the question/answer stems were mixed up, there must be a recourse.

I think you all should file a greavance and request a reanalysis of the scoring method and scores. Another set of experts could reanalyze and rate each test item via the Angoff method to determine whether or not a minimally-qualified candidate would answer the item correctly or incorrectly. Some of the questions would likely be reclassified as too difficult for a qualified candidate to answer correctly. Thus the overall pass rate might increase back to mid 80s-90s where it should be. Why is this out of the question?

What if one of the experts this year had a conflict of interest?
 
You have plenty to lose, your reputation and alot of money. Also there is really nothing to sue over, you are subject to the board exam. My suggestion is more reasonable and appropriate.
 
Thanks so much to everyone who has reached out to us via email, Twitter, FB, SDN regarding resident concerns with the ABR exam. We wanted to let you know that we are collectively working with several groups and have talked with leaders of ADROP as well to make sure the ABR hears them. The comments that have been shared are truly important to the process, so we encourage you to reach out to us to send any direct concerns or specific comments via DM on social media or email arro AT astro org.

This is great what you all are doing. Everyone with a grievance please send your concerns/questions/suggestions to ABR as well as our representatives from ARRO. We need a response that is more robust than individual complaints. This appears to be just what we need.
 
My understanding regarding the situation/scandal a few years ago with the ABIM was that it was basically bona fide racketeering by requiring MOC for the purposes of profit and supporting high salaries and luxurious lifestyles for officers and board members. Although, reading through the "Not the ABR" twitter feed, it sounds like there is concern that the ABR may be starting to go down that slippery slope as well. A little unsettling.

Regarding this year's rad bio exam, what I would like to see (in order) is:
1. A mea culpa statement from the ABR
2. Publication of the failure rate for this year
3. A clarification of recent changes in exam content with rationale along with a more comprehensive study guide clarifying what we need to study to ensure a pass (i.e., so that we are not blindly guessing what to study -- tell us what to study and we will do it. If you want us to know minutae from a certain pathway, then state it explicitly. Saying that we need to know everything about molecular biology and leaving it at that is not reasonable). I am already tired of the suggestion that 30-40% of us failed simply because we were lazy and didn't read the explanations in ASTRO study guides
4. A letter to the editor in the red journal from a prominent figure in the field expressing concern about the exam methodology and intent
5. An optional early re-examination before next July

Thank you to those of you who are trying to make any of the above happen.
 
agree with all of that, though number 4 was essentially in PRO recently at least.

I wish I had some idea of what percent actually failed. DO we actually know that it's more than 10-15%?
 
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If you do the math and assume each category has approximately the same number of questions, then it is certainly above 25%. We have multiple people reporting bio quartiles of 2,2,2,1 and physics quartiles of 3,3,3,2,1 and failing. I have heard a specific failure percentage but obviously can't verify it. While possible with a very weird distribution in number of questions per category, I would still be shocked if the overall failure rate were less than 25%. I also have no idea if some questions hurt you more than others (e.g., you are penalized more for not knowing a very basic and important concept like BED instead of missing a question about the name of some esoteric protein). Or if they consider each category when deciding whether to let you pass the exam (e.g., if you scored 100% on 3/4 categories but 0% on the other category would you still fail even though you answered overall more questions right than somebody who scored 50% on each and passed)? That's part of the problem. There's no transparency in how they determined who passed.
 
I agree that because this thread is more active than past years with failure reports plus the fact that even those of us who passed felt like rad bio was super hard, there is probably a higher fail rate than usual. BUT:

1) 'If you do the math and assume each category has approximately the same number of questions' - come on, of course we know this is not true. Think about the fact that there was a Brachy subsection, when obviously there is not a fifth of the test that was about Brachy.

2) of course it wasn't true that you are penalized for some questions more than others. No standardized test that I'm aware of ever works like that.
 
Agree wrt physics. However, I do feel that 4 the bio categories were more evenly distributed based on what I saw on the test. My bio score was 2,2,2,1 with the 1 in molecular biology (I know others with the same breakdown). The exam was heavy in molecular bio, maybe a little more than 25%, but I wouldn't say >40%. Bottom line, there is no way failure rates are in line with historical averages.

You are saying 10-15% historical average failure rate.
Well, I did the stats on the data in the table a few posts back from 2004-2015

Average physics failure rate: 11.1% with a standard deviation of 5.8%
Average rad bio failure rate: 7.2% with a standard deviation of 3.9%

That's over a period of 12 years. You are saying 10-15%, but for rad bio, the failure rate actually much lower than that.
Now imagine for rad bio this year with what I think is a conservative failure rate estimate of 25%. Even at 20% that's multiple standard deviations away.
 
Well one thing about quartile scoring is it really can be deceiving. I mean the difference between first and thitf quartile on a particular section could be minimum 2 questions. Particularly if the second quartile all had the same number of questions right, which on a test this small is not unreasonable. Say the test is 100 questions and there are four 25 question subsections. Say passing is 61% And for each section 2nd quartile happens to be 15 questions. Third quartile could be 16 questions. One could be 2nd quartile in all sections and fail. Conversely one could be first quartile in three sections with 14 questions right and fourth in another section with 24 questions right and pass. Or someone could be third in three sections with 16 questions right and first in a mother section with 11 questions right and fail. It’s hard to prove that if you got second quartile on all sections that 25% of people failed with a fixed absolute scoring criterion. These distributions represent only a handful of an infinite number of possibilities.
 
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Bottom line is these tests are ridiculous and the lack of transparency makes it even worse

I hope the ABR says something
 
So I am going to give a slightly different perspective.

1. Let's find out what the pass rate is first. If the pass rate is in the 80% range then guess what - that is in keeping with what this exam has been. We will argue whether that is proper or not in a subsequent point. BUT until you know the pass rate, this threat of litigation and destroying the ABR is premature. Thank you for those who introduced me into the way back machine. Just like I argue about with regards to the job market, the data is important.

2. The concept that 'normative' function of these exams should be abolished is not shared by all in the field nor the data which shows fluctuating rates consistent with what an Angoff method should produce

These exams SHOULD NOT be used as a another weed out or a work around for programs abusing the ACGME system to expand. BUT, if we are going to pump out so many more residents with AD after AD and chair after chair just shoving them in, then we are obligated to make sure standards are upheld. I don't want board exams to be hard or ruin people's career. BUT if so many in our field stated we could almost double the amount of residents and keep education the same - put up or shut up. The angoff method is flawed because people are flawed, but it is the best we have. These exams are not normative, but the only way to make sure these new programs [and old programs who just kept adding people on like candy without increase in educational resources] are training people. There are many people in the field, like myself, who take no joy in seeing people fail board exams but cannot possibly fathom how all these new resident slots were started almost overnight. I don't want them to be weeded out after the fact - but I sure do want a body of experts removed from this decision making a board exam by the Angoff method. There is no way we went from 130 -> 200 test takers and kept educational standards the same.

In that vein, unless the pass rate was 60% (which has to be proven) it would be the height of irony for ADROP to then complain to the ABR after assuring them and the ACGME about how capable they were of training all these new residents.

3. Radiation biology is important. I do not have a lab, I am not a radiation biologist. The classic data provides a framework for understanding radiation and if we are in charge of this very unique modality we need to know it. Just because SBRT was not described by the LQ model does not mean all that data is wrong. In fact, some of the classic data including some of the human experiments or exposures make up the basis of Quantec. It would be great to better link those to a review of quantec, and I agree, knowing a specific protein phosphorylation site would not change patient management, but to state that the biologic foundation of radiation therapy and the pathways of cell division, repair, and death should not be required [as some here are advocating] is hilariously tragic. We need to know what we do on a cellular level to understand, as best we can, what we do on a personal level.

I completely agree with the calls for updated syllabus and text books. My idea would be to have the syllabus be Hall, the ASTRO study guides for questions, and then a rotating group of 30-40 primary scientific articles identified by ABR the year before the exam. Keep it updated. I am getting referrals for 'abscopal effect'. I am getting referrals for RT with the new cdk4/6 inhibitor. Make it a mix of preclinical and clinical papers. On that point I completely agree. But then hold the examinees to that and continue the Angoff method.


4. If the complaint is about the relative importance of radbio compared to clinicals, then fine - make the clinical writtens more comprehensive. Make it 400-500 questions, including required sections on brachy, SBRT, SRS, dose constraints, techniques, etc. Again, I don't want to make residents fail, but people are here complaining about radbio when clinical writtens are a joke both anecdotally and by the abr data. No, not everyone should pass their boards, unless they are competent. If 100% pass because they all know the answers, that's awesome. If 50% pass because on a theoretical actually well tuned clinical written half the new residents weren't able on a multiple choice test to identify important points on techniques which should be common place, then that's ok too.



It sucks if people failed, but this thread is going in a crazy over-reaction way. Get the course materials for rad bio better, and in mine [and at least in the view of the people I talk to] update the curriculum to include primary contemporary literature that will require more work on the part of trainees but also be more relevant in time and clinical orientation.

And this idea that everyone should pass their boards because they got here is horrendous. Congratulations on getting here. The job of the training program and body is to make sure the certification of you going from here to the clinic designates a certain level of knowledge and competency of all aspects of radiation. That is how standards of endorsing an autonomous physician should be, both for the field and for the public.
 
I'd also like to respond to DebtRising's post by points:

1. Not sure what's with a few posters doubting a significant increase in failure rate. We have lots of evidence to the contrary. You claim that if the pass rate is in the 80% range then tough, it's in line with what the exam has been. False. The 12 year average pass rate on rad bio was 92.8% with a standard deviation of 3.9%. You don't have to be ABR board certified to know that an 80% pass rate doesn't mean everything's just fine with this year's test.

2. I disagree with your assertion that increasing training spots from 130 to 200 should naturally carry with a decrease in the quality of rad bio instruction and by extension and increase in rad bio failure rate. I think most would agree rad bio instruction has never been very good at most programs, and that most people passed this exam relying on self study with Hall and the Astro study guides. Yes, rad bio instruction is poor and can be improved, but that's not due to having more residents. Increasing the number of residents a radiobiologist has to teach in a class from 4 to 8 doesn't mean he really has to do anything different other than grade 4 more exams. It's not like 1-on-1 instruction makes a difference here. The issue here is that we were blindsided with a different type of exam that Hall and Astro questions did not prepare us as well for as it would have in previous years. I really think you are reaching by trying to pull the residency expansion/job market issue into this and it's not helping us deal with the serious issue that was the surprising content of the ABR exam.

3. I agree completely with you that radiation biology is important and should still be taught and assessed on boards. I think the people who are calling for complete abolishment of rad bio teaching and evaluation are in the minority, and it is not fair to lump all of us that are complaining in that category. And again, this isn't the issue. The issue is that the ABR appears to have over-reached this year in what they defined as "minimal competence" for a clinician. I understand the linear quadratic model, I understand how radiation causes cell death and repair mechanisms. I understand the oxygen effect. I understand the concepts of sensitization and protection. I understand dose rate and fractionation effects. With respect, you did not take this exam, and you did not see the level of detail that was asked about certain pathways. I am not saying that we don't need to understand the basics of these pathways. I am saying that we don't need to know every little last thing about a certain regulatory enzyme to be a competent clinician. Big picture stuff about that enzyme, yes. I do not believe that the test writers currently involved in the Angoff method have set a reasonable threshold in terms of what qualifies as "minimal competence" in radio biology, in particular cancer biology, and I would offer that perhaps that is due to their own inherent biases as pure scientists rather than clinicians. Who are these people? Are clinicians involved? If not why? Again, transparency.

4. I never said that everyone should pass their boards simply because they got here. I simply stated that we are all highly educated and motivated individuals and even acknowledged that their may be a few truly incompetent among us who don't understand basic things like how to calculate a BED or the concepts of fractionation and late/early responding tissues. You state: "The job of the training program and body is to make sure the certification of you going from here to the clinic designates a certain level of knowledge and competency of all aspects of radiation." Of course I agree with this. What we appear to disagree on, apparently rather dramatically, is what that "certain level of knowledge and competency is." Again, you did not take this year's test. We have many people with PhDs and extensive backgrounds in cellular biology who passed but also thought it was ridiculous. I wish you could see the content we saw and see if your opinion changes.

Could I have studied more for this exam? Yes, of course, we all could have. But at some point we reach diminishing returns. Maybe if I spent 2-3 more months doing every last ASTRO study guide I could have picked up 4-5 more questions and passed the test. Do I think that would have made me more competent to practice radiation oncology? Not in the slightest. I understood all the concepts in Hall. That's enough. Get real guys, a lot of us failed this exam by a few unlucky guesses, and a lot of us passed with likewise.

As noted previously in regards to the PRO article, these are not new concerns that just popped up with this year's bio exam. I will have to devote a significant amount of my time over the next year focusing on memorizing trivia for the radiation biology board exam (a topic I already spent three years studying and feel I know well in general) at the expense of focusing on more clinically relevant skills and knowledge. This is reality:
https://www.practicalradonc.org/article/S1879-8500(18)30080-8/abstract
 
'Not sure what's with a few posters doubting a significant increase in failure rate. We have lots of evidence to the contrary.'

Look I'm on your side here but - no, we don't have ANY evidence at all what the fail rate is.
 
Nobody in the history of this forum that I can find has ever posted a report of a failure, with historical failure rates averaging 8-12%. Look at how many posts this year coupled with reports of how the exam was much more difficult that what our study resources prepared us for (astro guide and hall), whereas reports in prior years indicated these resources made the exam easy. Not only posts of many failures, but also multiple failures with only a single 1st quartile score with 2s and 3s in others. Anecdotally word of mouth from somebody that knows somebody rates of 30-40%, yeah that's probably not worth much, but I believe it. And I certainly wouldn't say that all of that amounts to not having "ANY" evidence.

Hey, I'm all for ABR releasing the data. Go ahead. Prove me wrong.
 
There were 53 posts in this thread prior to someone even mentioning this year's test. There are now over 250. Even if you look at some of the other smaller threads that were created in past years for this test, this one is clearly more active.

Unless someone is suggesting that the graduating resident class of 2019 are all a bunch of lazy idiots, something sinister is clearly going on with this year's test relative to years past. Nobody can ignore that.
 
Look, I also think some of the suggestions here like lawsuits are over the top. Not sure exactly what about an unfair exam is illegal. I'm also uncomfortable with the speculation about the actual pass rate because we just don't know. It seems more than likely that it's lower than it's ever been, whatever that number is. But like I said before those of us that failed are probably better served figuring out how to catch up to those who passed than looking for lawyers. It's unsettling that everyone I spoke to who passed has a background in molecular biology and everyone I spoke to who failed does not (myself included). Even more unsettling are the number of people with said background who still felt over half the questions came out of left field.

All that said, there are couple points here I take issue with.
1 - The notion that because of expansion the resident education got worse and thereby so did test results (also implying that the quality of residents are worse), is laughable. The quality of resident, at least on paper, continues to get better. Just check the most recent average board scores and # of pubs posted by the NRMP. People didn't fail this exam because of improper training or because programs couldn't maintain standards, it's simply the result of asking questions that no one had an opportunity to study for. Again, even those who passed said they felt the same way about how arbitrary the exam was and felt more lucky than successful. I'll also add that from what I hear, previous radbio exams actually were a joke so it's quite an unfair comparison. Perhaps it was the ABR's attempt to over-correct what was formerly an easy exam, but it has nothing to do with how well trained residents now are in radbio. I would love to get my hands on an exam from 10 years ago and compare it to the one we just took to prove that point.

2 - I think the vast majority of us are with you on expansion. But don't take that out on us, wasn't our fault. You don't correct that problem by failing high quality trainees for not knowing irrelevant factoids about molecular biology that's never going to be helpful in practice. No, you don't get to pass just by making it this far and certainly those who clearly do not understand the relevant concepts of radiobiology should fail but when your average examinee does better on standardized tests than 90-95% of all physicians in the country, yes the pass rate should be exceedingly high.


So I am going to give a slightly different perspective.

1. Let's find out what the pass rate is first. If the pass rate is in the 80% range then guess what - that is in keeping with what this exam has been. We will argue whether that is proper or not in a subsequent point. BUT until you know the pass rate, this threat of litigation and destroying the ABR is premature. Thank you for those who introduced me into the way back machine. Just like I argue about with regards to the job market, the data is important.

2. The concept that 'normative' function of these exams should be abolished is not shared by all in the field nor the data which shows fluctuating rates consistent with what an Angoff method should produce

These exams SHOULD NOT be used as a another weed out or a work around for programs abusing the ACGME system to expand. BUT, if we are going to pump out so many more residents with AD after AD and chair after chair just shoving them in, then we are obligated to make sure standards are upheld. I don't want board exams to be hard or ruin people's career. BUT if so many in our field stated we could almost double the amount of residents and keep education the same - put up or shut up. The angoff method is flawed because people are flawed, but it is the best we have. These exams are not normative, but the only way to make sure these new programs [and old programs who just kept adding people on like candy without increase in educational resources] are training people. There are many people in the field, like myself, who take no joy in seeing people fail board exams but cannot possibly fathom how all these new resident slots were started almost overnight. I don't want them to be weeded out after the fact - but I sure do want a body of experts removed from this decision making a board exam by the Angoff method. There is no way we went from 130 -> 200 test takers and kept educational standards the same.

In that vein, unless the pass rate was 60% (which has to be proven) it would be the height of irony for ADROP to then complain to the ABR after assuring them and the ACGME about how capable they were of training all these new residents.

3. Radiation biology is important. I do not have a lab, I am not a radiation biologist. The classic data provides a framework for understanding radiation and if we are in charge of this very unique modality we need to know it. Just because SBRT was not described by the LQ model does not mean all that data is wrong. In fact, some of the classic data including some of the human experiments or exposures make up the basis of Quantec. It would be great to better link those to a review of quantec, and I agree, knowing a specific protein phosphorylation site would not change patient management, but to state that the biologic foundation of radiation therapy and the pathways of cell division, repair, and death should not be required [as some here are advocating] is hilariously tragic. We need to know what we do on a cellular level to understand, as best we can, what we do on a personal level.

I completely agree with the calls for updated syllabus and text books. My idea would be to have the syllabus be Hall, the ASTRO study guides for questions, and then a rotating group of 30-40 primary scientific articles identified by ABR the year before the exam. Keep it updated. I am getting referrals for 'abscopal effect'. I am getting referrals for RT with the new cdk4/6 inhibitor. Make it a mix of preclinical and clinical papers. On that point I completely agree. But then hold the examinees to that and continue the Angoff method.


4. If the complaint is about the relative importance of radbio compared to clinicals, then fine - make the clinical writtens more comprehensive. Make it 400-500 questions, including required sections on brachy, SBRT, SRS, dose constraints, techniques, etc. Again, I don't want to make residents fail, but people are here complaining about radbio when clinical writtens are a joke both anecdotally and by the abr data. No, not everyone should pass their boards, unless they are competent. If 100% pass because they all know the answers, that's awesome. If 50% pass because on a theoretical actually well tuned clinical written half the new residents weren't able on a multiple choice test to identify important points on techniques which should be common place, then that's ok too.



It sucks if people failed, but this thread is going in a crazy over-reaction way. Get the course materials for rad bio better, and in mine [and at least in the view of the people I talk to] update the curriculum to include primary contemporary literature that will require more work on the part of trainees but also be more relevant in time and clinical orientation.

And this idea that everyone should pass their boards because they got here is horrendous. Congratulations on getting here. The job of the training program and body is to make sure the certification of you going from here to the clinic designates a certain level of knowledge and competency of all aspects of radiation. That is how standards of endorsing an autonomous physician should be, both for the field and for the public.
 
Agreed. Study, pass next year, and move on. Hopefully the people charged with creating the exam get their act together. They should've been more clear about exam content. In addition, not disclosing pass rates, or even giving more information about individual exams is inappropriate. Regardless, it is unfortunate that 50, 60, 70 or more people have to eat it this year when they would've been fine any other year. That's life though. And don't get me wrong, I was quite angry initially, but that was before I realized this is just a reflection of how dysfunctional this field is. It's become too much politics, and people doubling down on nonsense because they're so insecure. Like I said, pass and move on. Then, you too can save the world.

Look, I also think some of the suggestions here like lawsuits are over the top. Not sure exactly what about an unfair exam is illegal. I'm also uncomfortable with the speculation about the actual pass rate because we just don't know. It seems more than likely that it's lower than it's ever been, whatever that number is. But like I said before those of us that failed are probably better served figuring out how to catch up to those who passed than looking for lawyers. It's unsettling that everyone I spoke to who passed has a background in molecular biology and everyone I spoke to who failed does not (myself included). Even more unsettling are the number of people with said background who still felt over half the questions came out of left field.

All that said, there are couple points here I take issue with.
1 - The notion that because of expansion the resident education got worse and thereby so did test results (also implying that the quality of residents are worse), is laughable. The quality of resident, at least on paper, continues to get better. Just check the most recent average board scores and # of pubs posted by the NRMP. People didn't fail this exam because of improper training or because programs couldn't maintain standards, it's simply the result of asking questions that no one had an opportunity to study for. Again, even those who passed said they felt the same way about how arbitrary the exam was and felt more lucky than successful. I'll also add that from what I hear, previous radbio exams actually were a joke so it's quite an unfair comparison. Perhaps it was the ABR's attempt to over-correct what was formerly an easy exam, but it has nothing to do with how well trained residents now are in radbio. I would love to get my hands on an exam from 10 years ago and compare it to the one we just took to prove that point.

2 - I think the vast majority of us are with you on expansion. But don't take that out on us, wasn't our fault. You don't correct that problem by failing high quality trainees for not knowing irrelevant factoids about molecular biology that's never going to be helpful in practice. No, you don't get to pass just by making it this far and certainly those who clearly do not understand the relevant concepts of radiobiology should fail but when your average examinee does better on standardized tests than 90-95% of all physicians in the country, yes the pass rate should be exceedingly high.
 
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. These exams are not normative, but the only way to make sure these new programs [and old programs who just kept adding people on like candy without increase in educational resources] are training people. There are many people in the field, like myself, who take no joy in seeing people fail board exams but cannot possibly fathom how all these new resident slots were started almost overnight. I don't want them to be weeded out after the fact - but I sure do want a body of experts removed from this decision making a board exam by the Angoff method. There is no way we went from 130 -> 200 test takers and kept educational standards the same.

In that vein, unless the pass rate was 60% (which has to be proven) it would be the height of irony for ADROP to then complain to the ABR after assuring them and the ACGME about how capable they were of training all these new residents.
Couldn't have said it better myself
 
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I took the physics/rad bio test last year and certainly understand the associated anxiety. I feel deeply for those who failed this year's exam as, anecdotally, it does seem as though the failure rates were much higher than in previous years. While there ultimately may not be any recourse for those who were the victim of this year's exam, it is certainly worth looking into.

It's illogical and indefensible for the ABR to change the exam curriculum without telling anyone. The boards were never designed to be used as tools to weed out large swaths of students like Step 1 or the MCATs. The goal of these tests is to make sure that we all know what we are doing. Even if one accepts the premise that cancer biology is of paramount importance to practicing clinical radiation oncology (clearly up for debate), it behooves the ABR to ensure that everyone learns this "essential" material. If the ABR feels that there is a are specific principles in physics, radiobiology/cancer biology that necessary to be a competent radiation oncologist, they should shout it from the roof tops so that we all can work to meet these standards and everyone is "competent". The goal of the ABR should be to make a good test that evaluates residents' understanding of important and relevant topics... and then to provide residents and educators with an explicit curriculum outlining what should be studied/learned. There is nothing wrong with a 100% pass rate if everyone learned the requisite material. Given that most residents who fail one of these tests will likely end up becoming board certified at some point, there really is no sense in making people go through all this nonsense.
 
Nobody in the history of this forum that I can find has ever posted a report of a failure, with historical failure rates averaging 8-12%. Look at how many posts this year coupled with reports of how the exam was much more difficult that what our study resources prepared us for (astro guide and hall), whereas reports in prior years indicated these resources made the exam easy. Not only posts of many failures, but also multiple failures with only a single 1st quartile score with 2s and 3s in others. Anecdotally word of mouth from somebody that knows somebody rates of 30-40%, yeah that's probably not worth much, but I believe it. And I certainly wouldn't say that all of that amounts to not having "ANY" evidence.

Hey, I'm all for ABR releasing the data. Go ahead. Prove me wrong.


Hey I agree with you that it SEEMS like the fail rate MUST be higher. I was just saying we don't actually have concrete evidence. Which is part of the problem, and hopefully ABR gives us this information, at the very least.

To other posters who are probably 10-15 years into practice or more who seem to be implying that rad onc may be easier to get into now because of the expansion in slots?? get the blank outta here, yo. Like, you cannot be more clueless. What changed is people figured out the appeals of rad onc, and lots of people who used to otherwise apply to other competitive specialties started applying to rad onc. Maybe that will change in the future, but for now, the Step 1 scores for the average rad onc applicant, the AOA status, the research etc etc etc are out of this world. Maybe it's gone TOO far. Rad onc used to be WAY easier to match when most of our attendings were training. People weren't doing 3 aways and taking a year off for research and all that jazz.

Clueless.
 
I agree and find it irritating (to put it nicely) that practicing rad oncs are, without any knowledge of what was tested this year, trying to shift blame from the ABR to the residency programs for expanded training slots. Yeah, I know you are unhappy about more rad oncs coming out of the pipeline and competing for jobs. You've made that very clear by repeating it ad nauseum every chance you get. But it is completely absurd and frankly insulting to say that the dramatic increase in reported failures this year is simply due to difficulty training residents in rad bio because of lower educational standards (i.e., the glut of new grads is dumber than in years past both on the front end due decreased competition and on the back end because somehow having a few extra residents means a program can't teach them rad bio as well anymore -- in other words that program expansion has resulted in less intelligent applicants who can't self-study rad bio as well and overcrowding in programs where the rad bio instructor is so overwhelmed by class size that he/she can't teach as well).

The unexpected failures on rad bio this year were multi-factorial. Residency program growth was not one of them in the slightest. Please do not let this very important conversation devolve into yet another argument about program size and the job market.
 
Hi Everyone,

I agree with KHE88 here-- lets please try to stay on track. We are all in agreement that the first piece of information we need is to see exactly what the pass rates on Rad Bio and Physics were. If they are in line with previous years, then there is nothing to argue about. If for some reason they are higher than ever before, then we can discuss why and where to go from here.
 
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