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Hi Physiotherapist's.
I am a Physiotherapist from India. I am starting this thread so that we Physiotherapist's can also start discussiong things.
Hope that this thread is the longest on this site and the site director thing to make seperate section for the physioherapists
Good luck to all.
 
drvp25 said:
Hi Physiotherapist's.
I am a Physiotherapist from India. I am starting this thread so that we Physiotherapist's can also start discussiong things.
Hope that this thread is the longest on this site and the site director thing to make seperate section for the physioherapists
Good luck to all.
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What is there to discuss?
 
how about POPTS? what do you guys think of them? good idea/bad idea? what about for those of us who are PTs and now med students/soon to be docs?
 
DOctorJay said:
how about POPTS? what do you guys think of them? good idea/bad idea? what about for those of us who are PTs and now med students/soon to be docs?
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Good topic! Is there any benefit in being a PT before MD? Any specialty that would be easier for a PT?
 
I was wondering if any PT's could tell me if there is a lot of turnover or burnout in the PT profession. Do most people remain PT's for most of their careers or do a lot of people want to go into something different. Thanks for your reply.
 
Shah,

of course PM&R would be the easy answer, but I think ortho, rheum, sports med would all be suited towards a PT. our education in the mskel system is superior to what we get in med school (although DO school is pretty close but still no comparison in terms of Kinesiology background and modalities). I'm surprised you haven't seen a beneift from being a PT already during med school, certainly if you practiced before med school you would recognize your probably stronger and more confident in your interview and PE skills (but perhaps this is not what you were referring to in your first question).

Neuro would also be a good field for a PT. Basically any field that you already received training in is going to make that field easier to obtain and put you at an advantage (this goes for any previous knowledge in any field, EMT --> ER, RT-->Anesthesia/Pulm, etc.)

Have you continued to practice as a med student? I'm fortunate that my school is connected with a hospital and have been working there during first and second year, glad I won't have to learn the hospital fresh when third year comes along.

to answer Tutugirl, I don't think there's a lot of burnout necessarily but people do get tired of the physical demands and most will usually move up the ranks as managers/directors later in their career and take less of a clinician role. The beautiful thing about the field is that there is so much to do from pediatric to geriatric rehab, SCI/TBI to elite athlete rehab, manual therapy to gait evaluation. You can really find your niche and settle in or you can change every couple years and never be bored/continue learning. I've seen more people change careers into PT than out of it. The people who move out of it usually go on to medicine, I know of one guy who went into law.

I hope some discussion of POPTS gets started. I'm interested in this possibility after residency but realize there is some strong negative thoughts in the PT world regarding docs self referring.

-J
 
DOctorJay said:
Shah,

of course PM&R would be the easy answer, but I think ortho, rheum, sports med would all be suited towards a PT. our education in the mskel system is superior to what we get in med school (although DO school is pretty close but still no comparison in terms of Kinesiology background and modalities). I'm surprised you haven't seen a beneift from being a PT already during med school, certainly if you practiced before med school you would recognize your probably stronger and more confident in your interview and PE skills (but perhaps this is not what you were referring to in your first question).

Neuro would also be a good field for a PT. Basically any field that you already received training in is going to make that field easier to obtain and put you at an advantage (this goes for any previous knowledge in any field, EMT --> ER, RT-->Anesthesia/Pulm, etc.)

Have you continued to practice as a med student? I'm fortunate that my school is connected with a hospital and have been working there during first and second year, glad I won't have to learn the hospital fresh when third year comes along.

to answer Tutugirl, I don't think there's a lot of burnout necessarily but people do get tired of the physical demands and most will usually move up the ranks as managers/directors later in their career and take less of a clinician role. The beautiful thing about the field is that there is so much to do from pediatric to geriatric rehab, SCI/TBI to elite athlete rehab, manual therapy to gait evaluation. You can really find your niche and settle in or you can change every couple years and never be bored/continue learning. I've seen more people change careers into PT than out of it. The people who move out of it usually go on to medicine, I know of one guy who went into law.

I hope some discussion of POPTS gets started. I'm interested in this possibility after residency but realize there is some strong negative thoughts in the PT world regarding docs self referring.

-J
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There is a strong push by the APTA against POPTS. I believe that the reason for this is because it hurts private outpatient PT clinics more than any other reason. There are ethical issues in every setting, and personally I think that there are more PT owned practices overutilizing PT then there are POPTS clinics doing this. There are good points on both sides of the issue, but I think that PT's can work well in both settings with quality patient care being provided. It depends on the physician who owns and refers, just as much as it depends on a PT practice owner who keeps patients on longer than needed, lets PT aides treat their patients, and double and triple books their PT's.
 
DoctorJay,

I'll be starting med school this August. The school also has a hospital affiliated with it that I can do possible part-time or PRN work during the first two years.

I'm glad to hear that somebody has already gone through this experience, but did this take away any extracurricular experiences that could have improved the chances of getting into a preferred residency?

I'm leaning towards ortho as my intended specialty, does it help to be visible to the orthopods in the hospital, i.e., as a med student working as a P.T.?
 
Florida,

I'm not in residency yet, just finishing up second year (finished classes Friday!!!). Incidentally there's a 4th year here at my school who did the same thing and worked all throughout med school and my Big who is a 3rd year is also a PT and is doing it as well.

Anyway, the money is excellent as a per diem and that is definitely helpful. I only worked 3-4x/month at the most. I also am interested in ortho and pm&r so I thought I'd get in the hospital to learn my way around prior to 3rd year and to find out more about the ortho docs. I would say for me it has been helpful to be a PT and let it be known to those docs, they usually pimp you better on questions that are relavent and if you know your stuff you can show up the more senior students SOMETIMES (don't get cocky though).

I don't think this took away at all from extracurricular experiences, if anything it added. You see I did some research with a pm&r doc between first and second year who works closely with an ortho doc here and although it wasn't ortho, the orthopod saw how hard i worked all summer and being a PT definitely got me the position.

If you want to do it I'd say go for it. Be pro-active and get to know the orthopods in your program while you're working and let them know you're a first year and a PT (face time is huge, at least at my program - go to any morning conferences you can if you're allowed, with your background you'll at least be able to get something out of them and be interested). early interest is very important for ortho so if they see you're a hard working person interested from day one it can only help. Your friends will be jealous of the money you can make in one day and you'll be able to keep up your skills in the field you originally trained in (especially important to keep up for ortho since your mskel/neuro physical exam will run circles around any of your classmates until 4th year, if they're lucky enough to learn from a ortho/physiatrist/neuro).

I would definitely do it again if I went back to the beginning. Just be real good about time management and you should be able to fit everything in just fine. keep reading this site in the ortho forum and go to www.orthogate.com and register for their forum and you'll get more good info throughout your journey.

best of luck!

-J
 
DOctorJay said:
Florida,

I'm not in residency yet, just finishing up second year (finished classes Friday!!!). Incidentally there's a 4th year here at my school who did the same thing and worked all throughout med school and my Big who is a 3rd year is also a PT and is doing it as well.

Anyway, the money is excellent as a per diem and that is definitely helpful. I only worked 3-4x/month at the most. I also am interested in ortho and pm&r so I thought I'd get in the hospital to learn my way around prior to 3rd year and to find out more about the ortho docs. I would say for me it has been helpful to be a PT and let it be known to those docs, they usually pimp you better on questions that are relavent and if you know your stuff you can show up the more senior students SOMETIMES (don't get cocky though).

I don't think this took away at all from extracurricular experiences, if anything it added. You see I did some research with a pm&r doc between first and second year who works closely with an ortho doc here and although it wasn't ortho, the orthopod saw how hard i worked all summer and being a PT definitely got me the position.

If you want to do it I'd say go for it. Be pro-active and get to know the orthopods in your program while you're working and let them know you're a first year and a PT (face time is huge, at least at my program - go to any morning conferences you can if you're allowed, with your background you'll at least be able to get something out of them and be interested). early interest is very important for ortho so if they see you're a hard working person interested from day one it can only help. Your friends will be jealous of the money you can make in one day and you'll be able to keep up your skills in the field you originally trained in (especially important to keep up for ortho since your mskel/neuro physical exam will run circles around any of your classmates until 4th year, if they're lucky enough to learn from a ortho/physiatrist/neuro).

I would definitely do it again if I went back to the beginning. Just be real good about time management and you should be able to fit everything in just fine. keep reading this site in the ortho forum and go to www.orthogate.com and register for their forum and you'll get more good info throughout your journey.

best of luck!

-J
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I too am a PT getting ready to go back to FL to finish my pre reqs for med school; It is really nice to see that there are folks that are currently doing the very thing that i've been planning to do. I am also glad to hear that it is indeed possible to work some while in school b/c as you stated, the $$ that we can make at per diem rates are great, esp in the land of the geriatric: Florida!! I, too, am interested in ortho, though I am keeping an open mind. Hey DoctorJay, if u don't mind my asking, what school are you at?
 
DOctorJay said:
Shah,

of course PM&R would be the easy answer, but I think ortho, rheum, sports med would all be suited towards a PT. our education in the mskel system is superior to what we get in med school (although DO school is pretty close but still no comparison in terms of Kinesiology background and modalities). I'm surprised you haven't seen a beneift from being a PT already during med school, certainly if you practiced before med school you would recognize your probably stronger and more confident in your interview and PE skills (but perhaps this is not what you were referring to in your first question).

Neuro would also be a good field for a PT. Basically any field that you already received training in is going to make that field easier to obtain and put you at an advantage (this goes for any previous knowledge in any field, EMT --> ER, RT-->Anesthesia/Pulm, etc.)

Have you continued to practice as a med student? I'm fortunate that my school is connected with a hospital and have been working there during first and second year, glad I won't have to learn the hospital fresh when third year comes along.

to answer Tutugirl, I don't think there's a lot of burnout necessarily but people do get tired of the physical demands and most will usually move up the ranks as managers/directors later in their career and take less of a clinician role. The beautiful thing about the field is that there is so much to do from pediatric to geriatric rehab, SCI/TBI to elite athlete rehab, manual therapy to gait evaluation. You can really find your niche and settle in or you can change every couple years and never be bored/continue learning. I've seen more people change careers into PT than out of it. The people who move out of it usually go on to medicine, I know of one guy who went into law.

I hope some discussion of POPTS gets started. I'm interested in this possibility after residency but realize there is some strong negative thoughts in the PT world regarding docs self referring.

-J
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Thanks for the input. This thread is getting interesting.
 
beephlatPT said:
I too am a PT getting ready to go back to FL to finish my pre reqs for med school; It is really nice to see that there are folks that are currently doing the very thing that i've been planning to do. I am also glad to hear that it is indeed possible to work some while in school b/c as you stated, the $$ that we can make at per diem rates are great, esp in the land of the geriatric: Florida!! I, too, am interested in ortho, though I am keeping an open mind. Hey DoctorJay, if u don't mind my asking, what school are you at?
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I'm at UMDNJ-SOM. Best of luck!
 
Hi everyone, I'm currently pursuing an 'a' level diploma course in Physiotherapy in a polytechnic in Singapore. Its a three year program, after which I will need to either 1) go to university of sydney to do a half year conversion program to get my degree in health science (pt) Note that the degree will be from university of sydney with its crest. or 2) go to another uni in australia or uk to get my honours degree which requires 1.5 years. I'm in a diploma course only because it is the only program available in my country for pt.

I'm very interested in becoming a medical doctor but I have some critical questions and I hope you guys can help me with them.

1) After reading my first paragraph, you would have realised that I would be spending less than two years in the university of sydney to get my diploma converted should I choose to study there. The university of sydney graduate medical program does not allow pple like me to qualify for the medical program as I have spent less than two years in the university. They require at least two years spent in the university where the degree was conferred.

Is there any medical school (anywhere in the world cos I'm desperate to plan my route to med school) that does not have this requirement?

Please offer your advice.....

Best Regards=)
 
Hi. I was wondering what books you all might recommend for studying for the national boards..Thanks
 
I personally used the big O'Sullivan review book as a reference book for studying - this thing has everything and more in it (almost too much, this thing is great to have around in the clinic). It is more useful for the practice tests than for all out studying.

I took a course through my PT program that was offered by Scott Giles. He had I think 2 books that were excellent. All the info you needed to know, and not much filler. So I used his books primarily along with his practice questions and anything that I felt was too thin I went to O'Sullivan.

The Giles books are nice cause they give a good plan for you to set up your studying. It helped me detail out what to cover each day. I can't stress enough how important it is to do questions for this exam. I did all the questions I could and passed the first time. My friends who weren't as dilligent DID NOT. I also worked while I was studying for this test but I do not recommend this for everyone. I needed to work and make some money to save up for med school.

Giles is from UNE, you should be able to find his program/books by googling it online. If you have specific questions PM me.
 
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Thanks for the information! I will try the Giles books.

QUOTE=DOctorJay]I personally used the big O'Sullivan review book as a reference book for studying - this thing has everything and more in it (almost too much, this thing is great to have around in the clinic). It is more useful for the practice tests than for all out studying.

I took a course through my PT program that was offered by Scott Giles. He had I think 2 books that were excellent. All the info you needed to know, and not much filler. So I used his books primarily along with his practice questions and anything that I felt was too thin I went to O'Sullivan.

The Giles books are nice cause they give a good plan for you to set up your studying. It helped me detail out what to cover each day. I can't stress enough how important it is to do questions for this exam. I did all the questions I could and passed the first time. My friends who weren't as dilligent DID NOT. I also worked while I was studying for this test but I do not recommend this for everyone. I needed to work and make some money to save up for med school.

Giles is from UNE, you should be able to find his program/books by googling it online. If you have specific questions PM me.[/QUOTE]
 
I'm a PT student now, in my second year.
I flunked out of medical school almost 4 years ago now.
I'm debating returning to medical school in several years, after having been on a track to enter a PhD program for the last 3 years.
For those of you who are PTs, and are on your way or in med school, what put you on that route?
Also, how did you get there? Meaning, did you work for some time frame before heading back, or just immediately know that med school was the right choice?

Toran
 
Toran said:
I'm a PT student now, in my second year.
I flunked out of medical school almost 4 years ago now.
I'm debating returning to medical school in several years, after having been on a track to enter a PhD program for the last 3 years.
For those of you who are PTs, and are on your way or in med school, what put you on that route?
Also, how did you get there? Meaning, did you work for some time frame before heading back, or just immediately know that med school was the right choice?

Toran
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I knew I wanted to go to med school in my first year of PT school.
 
I knew during my first year as well but knew it would be a good idea to finish up my education as a PT because it would help me in medical school. Not to mention the financial benefit of having a very well paying job that I can dictate my own hours.

My program graduated in January, I worked from then until med school started in August.

best of luck!
 
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