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Hi, everyone. So some basics first: just finished junior year and currently filling out the aadsas application. Not feeling confident due to my grades, ec's, and something that happened fall of last year (will mention below). Basically, I'm wondering what my chances are. Also, looking for some advice and any thoughts you guys have for me.

(I go to a university that's ranked in the 30's that does not have +/- gpa scoring.)

Freshman year
First semester: pretty much all B's in science and math courses with an A in a bio lab and a English course. GPA: 3.333

Second semester: B's in my bio, bio lab, and english course. C's in chem and math (both follow-up courses and both retaken later- not counted in final gpa). One A in chem lab. GPA: 3.292

Sophomore year
First semester: C in ochem I (repeated later- not counted in final gpa). A in ochem lab and a gen psychology class. B's in bio, bio lab, and the retaken chem class. GPA: 3.333

Second semester: B's in human anatomy, ochem ii lab, and the retaken ochem i and math course. Passed ochem ii (received no grade- will be retaken senior year). A in english course. GPA: 3.294

Junior year
First semester: This is the semester where things really went down hill.
C's in genetics and human physiology. Passed physics i (received no grade). A's in sociology and a metal/enameling jewelry course. GPA: 3.238

This is also when I got my mark for plagiarism. Details: had issues with the first physics lab report/write-up, ended up procrastinating before getting help from a friend- basically copied their way of solving a problem. Since this happened at the beginning of the semester, it really messed with me mentally and it definitely showed in my science courses. I am incredibly ashamed of what I did, especially since I did not realize how wrong it was at the time. I know that dental schools all emphasize how they want ethical people and I'm afraid that this will be the major cause of rejection, especially if I am not able to convey my sincerity and assure them that it is, and will be, a one time mistake. Also, while we're talking about this, I know there is a section for explanation on this in aadsas but should I also include it in my personal statement?

Second semester was much better: A's in microbio, microbio lab, icthyology, and cognitive diversity (cog sci class). B in a biol/writing course. Unfortunately, I forgot to drop my physical edu course and ended up not passing it (does not count for credit).

Final oGPA: 3.346 sGPA: 3.143

For next semester, I plan on taking biochem, (hopefully) conducting research to fulfill grad requirement, spanish (didn't know what else to take so that I didn't overload myself), and retaking physics i along with a phys ed class. Will be retaking ochem ii in the spring.

Other info:
Two science professors have agreed to write me letters of req (will probably be average) but these have not been done yet because I do not have a finished personal statement (working on this now). (If anyone has some free time, mind taking a look at it when I'm done? Or just any tips?) Also currently writing my plagiarism statement (would be grateful if someone could take a look at this as well).

Aiming to take the DAT mid-late July.

I have been in my school's pre-dental society all 3 years, was VP last year and will be VP again for the coming year. Was a founding member of the tea club from freshman year but did not take a position. Tried out different sports clubs but only recently decided to stick to one this year (kungfu, tested and got belt 1).

I have shadowed a dentist, oral surgeon, and orthodontist so far (52 hours) and currently scheduling to shadow another dentist to get my hours up to a hundred. Was a red-cross volunteer for two summers at a dental clinic- total hours accumulated is 128 (not much). Had planned to volunteer again this year but some things changed and re-registration would take up the whole summer before I have to leave for school again. Trying to find a dental clinic that's going to let me volunteer (I have no certification or assisting training though).

Anyways, that's all. Sorry about the wall of text and thanks for reading through this.
 
Regardless of whether you repeated it or not, it will show up in the AADSAS grades. Also, I'm not sure how the no grade factors into your gpa at the end? Just keep doing what you gotta do, do well on the DAT and everything should fall into place as long as you keep going and doing well.
 
I forgot to mention that I know those repeated grades will show up and will bring down my sGPA even more 🙁 According to adea, if there were no grades, then it would not be factored into the final gpa.
Thanks for your reply.
 
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Okay, I stopped reading as soon as I read that you were caught for plagiarism.

The most important question: how far up the ladder did this go? If it has been noted on your academic record (institutional action), this does affect your chances for acceptance. If you received an F for the course, then that still requires some explaining to do. If there IS an IA on your record... that's gonna hurt. To put salt on the wounds, the incident occurred THIS year, not your freshman year, and not 5 years ago. Your stats aren't awesome to begin with... and schools do have plenty of choices to choose from. Picking someone with an IA for being dishonest over others with clean records is not likely. ("A dishonest student makes a dishonest doctor.")

Your PS is about dentistry, and why dentistry. No need to take up room to explain a plagiarism incident.

You'll have plenty of opportunities to talk about it in supplemental applications. I'm sure you're aware that you need to put your emotions on paper and try to convince adcoms that it was a stupid mistake that was done in the spur of the moment, etc.
 
Rock the DAT to offset your GPA and you will have a chance. Not sure how to spin the plagiarism thing though-if that is something to address in your PS or if there is a spot to explain on your application. You are lucky you didn't get kicked out of school.
 
I believe it is noted on my academic record but I did not receive an F in the course as I choose to pass/fail it and passed. I'm still kicking myself over the fact that I did this and I'm incredibly appreciative that my school is on the more forgiving side.

Thank you both for your advice.
 
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I hope you learned from the plagiarism situation. That is going to be difficult to explain, and it hurts more given the recency of the offense. The grades aren't all that great either, and this sheds a bit of doubt on your previous performance.

What other fields have you observed/considered?
 
I have definitely learned from this situation and am currently trying to write my explanation well. Animal behavior and art are of interest to me but I have not been able to take much courses related to them.
 
In all honesty, your clinical experience is lacking at best. Your GPA is close to passable, but it might raise some eyebrows (especially given the academic dishonesty mark on your transcript). Study for and kill the DAT or consider a postbac program. That's my honest assessment.
 
I believe you will need to get the registrar to uncover the letter grades for your P/F in orgo II and physics I on your transcript because they are pre reqs, and the letter grades are needed to be able to average the grades together (original + retake). At least, that is my understanding, but I could very well be wrong.

It looks like you are getting Cs in all pre reqs then repeating them... Repeated gen chem and ochem I, and soon to repeat ochem II and physics I? This will not look good to adcoms... They want to know you can handle the heavy course load and won't need to repeat multiple classes in dental school (then again, more tuition money for them!). You need to start doing well enough in each course so that you don't need to repeat any more.

You will need superb DAT scores considering you'll have taken almost every pre req course twice.
 
I did not know that and will get on it. Thank you for your advice.
 
The way AADSAS calculates GPA, your sGPA may be significantly lower than what you stated above. I suggest calculating them. Basically, AADSAS calculates both grades and credit hours, i.e. 4 credits of C replaced by A is calculated as 4 credits of 2.0(C) and 4 credits of 4.0(A). I'm expecting your sGPA to be quite a bit lower than 3.0.

You may have to take year(s) of postbac, smp, or masters and get like 23+ on the DAT to even have a chance. If plagiarism is on your permanent academic record, that would hurt your chances even more.

If you want to start fixing your GPA and improve your shot of getting in dental school, you had better make 4.0 next year.

If this all sounds too hard and costly for you, start looking for a different career path.
 
Thank you for explaining. I will do whatever it takes to get into dental school so I'll definitely be working harder from now on.
 
I believe it is noted on my academic record but I did not receive an F in the course as I choose to pass/fail it and passed. I'm still kicking myself over the fact that I did this and I'm incredibly appreciative that my school is on the more forgiving side.

Thank you both for your advice.

That's going to really hurt. And if indeed your repeats aren't counted towards your school GPA, your current calculated GPA is not the real deal. As others have stated, AADSAS takes into account your retakes. Both your overall and science GPA's are going to take a hit. Your sGPA might even be sub 3.0. Take that with the plagiarism mark and it is going to make it very difficult for you.

I'm not trying to discourage you and say that your chances are completely shot, but if I were in your shoes, I'd do something to bring my GPA's as far above 3.0 as possible, probably through a master's program, take some time off to do some community work, and then apply. Not only would this raise your GPA, but it would also distance yourself from the plagiarism incident.
You can try taking the DAT and applying if you'd like... Just to see what the responses would be. But I wouldn't have my hopes too high.

Good luck with everything.
 
Damn best of luck to you man. When explaining that plagiarism thing make sure not to blame anything or anyone but yourself (I've been told adcoms like it better when you take full responsibility)..

Mention it was a terrible mistake and something you feel horrible about because it was unethical and it's something that jeopardizes your chances of getting into d school. You messed up and it's something that you've learned from and will regret, especially if it's the reason why you don't get in.

I really doubt that they honestly believe everyone that is accepted into their program are 100% honest students who have never plagiarized. I mean **** people are popping adderall, passing around old tests, and all kinds of stuff in d school. They know that stuff happens, it does suck that you got caught tho. There are people that have a DUI on their record and some who have still gotten in, seen a couple posts of that here or on dentaltown somewhere. In my opinion a dui is a hell of a lot worse than a little bit of plagiarism.

As far as your gpa goes, you can take more courses to raise it up. If you really wana be a dentist and were willing to, you could get a masters. Buddy of mine did that and just got in.

Best of luck to you dude. Lesson learned. I remember one year we had a lab project and over half of our class got roasted for some plagiarism crap and they all had to redo their project right before finals week.
 
Damn best of luck to you man. When explaining that plagiarism thing make sure not to blame anything or anyone but yourself (I've been told adcoms like it better when you take full responsibility)..

Mention it was a terrible mistake and something you feel horrible about because it was unethical and it's something that jeopardizes your chances of getting into d school. You messed up and it's something that you've learned from and will regret, especially if it's the reason why you don't get in.

I really doubt that they honestly believe everyone that is accepted into their program are 100% honest students who have never plagiarized. I mean **** people are popping adderall, passing around old tests, and all kinds of stuff in d school. They know that stuff happens, it does suck that you got caught tho. There are people that have a DUI on their record and some who have still gotten in, seen a couple posts of that here or on dentaltown somewhere. In my opinion a dui is a hell of a lot worse than a little bit of plagiarism.

As far as your gpa goes, you can take more courses to raise it up. If you really wana be a dentist and were willing to, you could get a masters. Buddy of mine did that and just got in.

Best of luck to you dude. Lesson learned. I remember one year we had a lab project and over half of our class got roasted for some plagiarism crap and they all had to redo their project right before finals week.

using old test in d school is considered dishonesty? and old tests actually exist? i thought they collect all
 
Mm well I think in some schools it's ok, in other schools I guess not. At the school I'm about to attend one of my friends said that there are some people who are anal about it so I don't really know?

And yes old tests exist, third year friend told me don't be giving out old tests to everyone. So I guess it's taboo or something idk.
 
Mm well I think in some schools it's ok, in other schools I guess not. At the school I'm about to attend one of my friends said that there are some people who are anal about it so I don't really know?

And yes old tests exist, third year friend told me don't be giving out old tests to everyone. So I guess it's taboo or something idk.

ok time to kiss asses and butts of third and second year people for friends to have some old tests then.

jkkk lol
 
I'm curious if dental schools will take a P/F grade for a pre-req. Does anyone know?
 
I believe it is noted on my academic record but I did not receive an F in the course as I choose to pass/fail it and passed. I'm still kicking myself over the fact that I did this and I'm incredibly appreciative that my school is on the more forgiving side.

Thank you both for your advice.
You can't have a pass/fail class for a pre-req though :/
 
You can't have a pass/fail class for a pre-req though :/

I know that d schools will not take pass/fails so I plan to re-take them senior year. Thank you for the heads up though.


To y3nd0: I realize now from an earlier poster about how aadsas calculates gpa so I'm going to see just how low my gpa will be. Not sure if I'm still going to apply this year but I'm still going to take the DAT and see how that goes. A postbac seems like the way to go now so I'll be looking into that. Don't worry about discouraging me, I did want brutal honesty anyway. Thank you for all of your advice.

To niv3k: I definitely take full responsibility and am working on writing a good response/explanation for this. It is comforting to hear that someone with a more severe charge has been able to get into dental school as bad as that sounds. Like I said to y3nd0, I'll definitely be looking into some programs. Thanks for your advice.
 
Don't sweat it, if it's meant to be it will happen. Just work hard and you will hopefully get where you need to be! Good luck 🙂
 
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